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Old 10-25-2013, 06:05 PM   #51
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You have to ask yourself, what was he up to with a fake AK-47 and a fake pistol in his pants?
Exactly. Those are nothing but trouble.
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Old 10-25-2013, 06:11 PM   #52
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A lot of people seem to think along these lines.

A warning shot. Or maybe shot in the foot. Or maybe, shoot the gun out of his hands.

I'm not sure what your experience is with firearms and I'm not trying to make you look dumb or childish. Warning shots and 'non-fatal' wounding shots are from the movies and TV.

A warning shot can get a cop killed dead. And so can a "wounding" shot. And then too, where does that warning shot bullet go? It doesn't disappear. When they pull their guns, they mean it. And they should mean it.
I actually haven't seen a movie like that but thanks for your input.
I was simply posting my opinion or idea but it seems some people misunderstood my position in this thread and might of became offended.

This thread is becoming more ridiculous by the post.
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Old 10-25-2013, 06:17 PM   #53
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Exactly. Those are nothing but trouble.
Please, I have played airsoft with my friends plenty of times.

The real issue is cops treat everyone as a threat and shoot first and ask questions later.

I read a report that said the cops shot 6 seconds after ordering the kid to drop the airsoft rifle. If someone behind me yelled at me, the first thing I would do is turn around.
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Old 10-25-2013, 06:20 PM   #54
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Probably the only one that thinks this but shouldn't have the officers fired either a warning or a none fatal body shot ?
Hitting an arm or leg or attempting a disabling shot is not that easy. People are trained to aim for the largest part of the body, the torso. It's easy to say why didn't he hit him in one place or another but when your adrenaline is going and under high stress conditions it is not that easy to hit a target even one as large as the torso. This is why you will get people less than five feet from one another empty weapons at each other and not a single hit.

And as far as warning shots they don't do them because there is always that chance that the shot will strike someone else
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Old 10-25-2013, 06:22 PM   #55
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Please, I have played airsoft with my friends plenty of times.

The real issue is cops treat everyone as a threat and shoot first and ask questions later.

I read a report that said the cops shot 6 seconds after ordering the kid to drop the airsoft rifle. If someone behind me yelled at me, the first thing I would do is turn around.
Six seconds is an eternity especially when someone has what you may believe is something that may kill you.
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Well the report says the police ask for him to drop the weapon twice.
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Understandable but that's not the case.
The person yielding the "weapon" was a child and clearly had the frame and body of a 13 year old kid.
That's the factor that's being ignored on here. The kid wasn't a 18 year old with the build of that of an adult. Wearing a hoodie and holding a gun was plain stupid but the cops should of analyzed the situation properly. I'm pretty sure police officers go thru extensive training in analyzing the various situations just like they do when firing to kill.


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So assuming that your analysis that a 13 year old is smaller than most people(I was 6' and 210lbs, so not all are) and that these cops could tell this person was a minor, does getting shot by an AK hurt or kill you less if a non-adult shoots you? Honestly, if a 7 year old was aiming a gun at me, and I felt it could be real, I would defend myself just as fast as an adult. I might even want to say a minor's understanding of actions and consequences are significantly different than adults, and that a kid would be less predictable while aiming a weapon at a cop or any person. This stupid kid should not have been playing with weapons or fake weapons on the street, thank God the cops didn't get hurt dealing with him.
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Old 10-25-2013, 07:15 PM   #59
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Exactly. Those are nothing but trouble.
In the wrong hands they are.
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Old 10-25-2013, 07:52 PM   #60
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We used to play Army all day and night long with Jap rifles (real ones) our dads had brought home from the war....Never saw a cop, never got told to drop it or get shot...Different times....too bad for all involved.
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Old 10-25-2013, 08:56 PM   #61
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Police will fire until the perceived threat is neutralized. If the kid was still standing after the first few shots, the officer is trained to continue. Not to mention the fact that in life or death situations, adrenalin is pumping and muscle memory takes over. I have numerous friends in law enforcement and have heard stories about officers continuing to "fire" even once the gun was empty.
^This. It's very easy to fire off 8 shots in 2-3 seconds. He probably kept firing until the kid went down.
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I'm actually surprised he hit 7 of 8
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Understandable but that's not the case.
The person yielding the "weapon" was a child and clearly had the frame and body of a 13 year old kid.
That's the factor that's being ignored on here. The kid wasn't a 18 year old with the build of that of an adult. Wearing a hoodie and holding a gun was plain stupid but the cops should of analyzed the situation properly. I'm pretty sure police officers go thru extensive training in analyzing the various situations just like they do when firing to kill.


Let the bashing on MY opinion begin.
Have you watched the news in the news in the last 10 to 20 years? Kids kill people too. My only concern about the entire thing is the way the report says the cops first confronted him. Is it illegal to openly carry where this happened? If not, then why did they need to confront him in the manner that they did. The report makes it sound like they already had their minds made up that he was up to something just because he had a gun. Where I live it isn't illegal to walk down the street with a gun and no cop will mess with you just for doing so. I didn't see where it happen. Maybe it's not legal there.
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Old 10-25-2013, 09:41 PM   #64
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Please, I have played airsoft with my friends plenty of times.

The real issue is cops treat everyone as a threat and shoot first and ask questions later.

I read a report that said the cops shot 6 seconds after ordering the kid to drop the airsoft rifle. If someone behind me yelled at me, the first thing I would do is turn around.
Yes turn around, but raise the rifle in their direction? That's what did him in.
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Old 10-25-2013, 09:46 PM   #65
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Also would like to point out that some gang members are putting orange tips on there real guns. When the police tell you to drop it.( I don't care if its a apple) drop it.
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As far as those "fake" guns go, they are often used for robberies more than you would think, and they get the job done....Was on a call several years ago where older kids were "shooting" at each other around a residential neighborhood with the "toy" guns....Cops were called and one kid ended up getting shot in the leg by an officer....

The kids response was "Why did you shoot me, my gun has a red tip!"....They are just to real looking. Imagine the bad guys putting red tips on real guns and the pd is caught off guard....

They are a toy, but more often than not, a dangerous toy due to their high-quality.
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Old 10-25-2013, 10:04 PM   #67
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Honestly, that's just kids being stupid. My friends and I ran around shooting each other with airsoft guns years ago but we kept it to my backyard (my parents have two acres) and my neighbor's back yard (who I got permission from before hand).
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Old 10-25-2013, 10:12 PM   #68
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Honestly, that's just kids being stupid. My friends and I ran around shooting each other with airsoft guns years ago but we kept it to my backyard (my parents have two acres) and my neighbor's back yard (who I got permission from before hand).
My boy loved those air-soft guns...He and his friends set up our back yard once for fun with barricades and all that....When his friends showed up (at night) all dressed in black, looked like Ninjas with real guns...lol...
They kept it to the back yard...I told them when they're done, do NOT walk home like that, have your parents come and get you.

I'm still finding spent ammo many years later....lol....
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Old 10-25-2013, 10:17 PM   #69
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Is it illegal to openly carry where this happened?
It happened in California. So yes, what are they suppost to think when they see a young person strolling down the street totting an AK-47?
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Have you watched the news in the news in the last 10 to 20 years? Kids kill people too. My only concern about the entire thing is the way the report says the cops first confronted him. Is it illegal to openly carry where this happened? If not, then why did they need to confront him in the manner that they did. The report makes it sound like they already had their minds made up that he was up to something just because he had a gun. Where I live it isn't illegal to walk down the street with a gun and no cop will mess with you just for doing so. I didn't see where it happen. Maybe it's not legal there.
I don't think open carry applies in this situation. Open carry refers to a holstered weapon on the hip or a rifle with a sling. Maybe if this airsoft gun had a two-point sling and was on his back... I don't know. Even people that open carry in their respected states know the law and wouldn't actually hold the firearm and walk around.
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It happened in California. So yes, what are they suppost to think when they see a young person strolling down the street totting an AK-47?
Remember the last time a couple guys were out in the streets in Cali?
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My first thought was...it ain't that easy to hear what someone is saying when you have a hoodie on...so your first impulse would likely be to turn around to see who was addressing you. And since when did wearing a hoodie become an unsavory look or justification for being shot and killed?

The problem with this story is everyone assumes that the officer's account of what happened is the truth...and while it might be the truth...history (and video footage) tells us that officers are capable of altering the truth to cover their asses. About 10 days ago there was a shooting here in Dallas where a police officer shot a mentally ill man that was over twenty feet away. While both officers said that the man came at them with the knife raised in a threatening manner...a residents surveillance camera proved otherwise. Here's a link to that story...and charges have since been dropped against the victim in this shooting...

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/1...allas-officer/

The similarity I find between these two cases was that both incidents had two officers at the scene...but only one officer felt threatened enough to discharge their weapon. The only reason I can come up with for that was that the situation wasn't as threatening as we're led to believe...too bad there isn't any video of what actually happened in the CA shooting.
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Uh, pretty sure the fact that there was what resembled an AK-47 involved is what lead to the shooting, not the hoodie.
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Old 10-26-2013, 09:15 AM   #74
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Without any other evidence (eyewitness, video, etc.), then the police's version is what happened. Don't care if it actually is true, but go ahead and dispute it without any supporting evidence to the contrary. Good luck with that.

At least the kid wasn't found with Skittles and a soft drink in his hands. Now THAT would be another story altogether. But he had what appeared at the time to look like a real weapon. I glanced at the photo of the fake gun and instantly thought it was a real one until I read the commentary. And I wasn't trying to make a snap judgment about the weapon to see if it was fake or not.

Turn around and raise a real looking fake gun (as alleged) on any officer that's ready and see what happens. Doesn't matter intent. You're going down like a tired old ass-clown. No matter who's right, you're still dead.

Until there's evidence brought forth to the contrary, I'm siding with the LEOs on this one.
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I don't think open carry applies in this situation. Open carry refers to a holstered weapon on the hip or a rifle with a sling. Maybe if this airsoft gun had a two-point sling and was on his back... I don't know. Even people that open carry in their respected states know the law and wouldn't actually hold the firearm and walk around.s
It's not uncommon where I live to see someone in town walking with a rifle. That's why I ask. Is it a good idea? No. But in my area carrying a gun isn't going to have the cops leaping onto you with guns blazing. I know Ca is a totally different world from where I live. So that's probably why cops react that way.

How do we know that kid wasn't just heading to a friends house to shoot. It's not uncommon here. I just think that there might have been other ways they could have gone about checking out the kid without throwing the lights on and breaking out guns. A kid that age would probably be scared and not be able to think clearly enough to know how to react probably. None of us was there so it's easy to Monday morning quarterback though. Our cops have a very difficult job to perform and often have to make split second decisions. That's why I greatly respect what they do, but on the other hand they are also human and don't always use the best judgement.

I guess the only people that really know what could have or could have not been done are the people involved. I'm sure no one feels worse than them for what happen, and they have to live with it every day.
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