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Old 10-27-2013, 06:00 PM   #1
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Why did you choose your FI system?

So, I'm looking long term at putting some sort of FI on my car.

I'm torn between planing on the STS turbo system, and the IPF supercharger.

I like the IPF supercharger because it's lower torque, which hopefully means the transmission holds up better. I dislike it because if the belt snaps, you're out of luck, and it seems this has happened to others.

I like the STS turbo, because of the gobs of torque it has lower range. I also like that if the turbo dies, you're left with a N/A car you can still drive. I dislike it because there has got to be some lag there with all that piping, and that amount of torque seems more likely to break transmission bits.

So, I want to know... why did you decide on your FI system? What advantages / disadvantages am I missing that should be relevant to my decision?

Also, what are your thoughts on buying a mildly used kit off the forums?
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Old 10-27-2013, 06:20 PM   #2
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So, I'm looking long term at putting some sort of FI on my car.

I'm torn between planing on the STS turbo system, and the IPF supercharger.

I like the IPF supercharger because it's lower torque, which hopefully means the transmission holds up better. I dislike it because if the belt snaps, you're out of luck, and it seems this has happened to others.

I like the STS turbo, because of the gobs of torque it has lower range. I also like that if the turbo dies, you're left with a N/A car you can still drive. I dislike it because there has got to be some lag there with all that piping, and that amount of torque seems more likely to break transmission bits.

So, I want to know... why did you decide on your FI system? What advantages / disadvantages am I missing that should be relevant to my decision?

Also, what are your thoughts on buying a mildly used kit off the forums?
What you're missing is the fact that there's really only 2 FI system reliable for this car. That's the IPF system and a nitrous system. All other FI options are garbage. Also, member JohnnyfromPeoria (I hope I got the spelling right) has proven already that even if the belt snaps on the IPF system you still have an NA system you can drive.
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Old 10-27-2013, 06:49 PM   #4
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What are the issues with the STS system?
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What are the issues with the STS system?
Turbo is garbage, oil return system is garbage too. A lot of members that have it had to replace almost the whole system.
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Old 10-27-2013, 06:55 PM   #6
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I have only heard of 2 belt issues, due to idler pullys are now updated. I am on 20k miles on my belt and still great.... I wanted OEM appearance and reliability, so far it is all I have asked for. STS needs to many changes to make reliable from what I have heard. There is a turbo kit that looks good IPS ... Either IPS or IPF, depends on Turbo or SC. and ease of installation and tuning. since you have a 2010, I would only go IPF
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Old 10-27-2013, 06:59 PM   #7
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Wow... Glad I asked!
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I have only heard of 2 belt issues, due to idler pullys are now updated. I am on 20k miles on my belt and still great.... I wanted OEM appearance and reliability, so far it is all I have asked for. STS needs to many changes to make reliable from what I have heard. There is a turbo kit that looks good IPS ... Either IPS or IPF, depends on Turbo or SC. and ease of installation and tuning. since you have a 2010, I would only go IPF
He has a 2010, the IPS system is only for 2012+.
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Wow... Glad I asked!
Bud, to be honest, if you want FI you're stuck either doing IPF or nitrous. Unless you can get your own tuning
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Old 10-27-2013, 07:06 PM   #10
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Does the ipf kit have tuning issues? I read Magnum's thread. He seems like he has had a bunch of issues.
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Old 10-27-2013, 07:35 PM   #11
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Does the ipf kit have tuning issues? I read Magnum's thread. He seems like he has had a bunch of issues.
He is working them out with Arno @ IPF... Im still on my initial tune after i installed my IPF kit, no problems.
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Old 10-27-2013, 07:39 PM   #12
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Good to know lil'nasty.

Seems like the consensus is IPF. Which is cool.
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Old 10-27-2013, 08:22 PM   #13
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I'm back to my original tune now, something changed and the car leaned out on my custom tunes.
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Old 10-27-2013, 08:40 PM   #14
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Still find it somewhat intimidating though Magnum. Looking at the issues you were working through, constantly regapping plugs, swapping tunes, having the car's AFR walking around... You know? It's good that Lil's car took the stock tune without issue.

What's it like living with an IPF supercharger day-to-day? This is my DD, and will be getting driven 600 km / week, 52 weeks a year, including through cold winters.
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Still find it somewhat intimidating though Magnum. Looking at the issues you were working through, constantly regapping plugs, swapping tunes, having the car's AFR walking around... You know? It's good that Lil's car took the stock tune without issue.

What's it like living with an IPF supercharger day-to-day? This is my DD, and will be getting driven 600 km / week, 52 weeks a year, including through cold winters.
No offense and I say this in the nicest way possible but if you're going to be going FI, you're going to have to be ready to keep up with FI. No FI is completely pain free. The IPF kit gets close but you'll still need to do oil changes on the blower. You'll also probably want to have an AFR gauge to make sure everything is running accordingly. You have to realize that when you go FI, things can go wrong and if they do, just be ready to deal with them.
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Still find it somewhat intimidating though Magnum. Looking at the issues you were working through, constantly regapping plugs, swapping tunes, having the car's AFR walking around... You know? It's good that Lil's car took the stock tune without issue.

What's it like living with an IPF supercharger day-to-day? This is my DD, and will be getting driven 600 km / week, 52 weeks a year, including through cold winters.
I drive my Camaro every day to work twice since I go home for lunch. I put about 60 miles per day and my MPG is the same as pre-supercharger. As far as the problems, I'm mostly trying to get the most power I can from this setup since I am racing a Mustang all the time and they have lighter weight and better power mode.

My problems all started with the ported intake manifold breaking, something happened to the car that seems to have been fixed finally.
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No offense and I say this in the nicest way possible but if you're going to be going FI, you're going to have to be ready to keep up with FI. No FI is completely pain free. The IPF kit gets close but you'll still need to do oil changes on the blower. You'll also probably want to have an AFR gauge to make sure everything is running accordingly. You have to realize that when you go FI, things can go wrong and if they do, just be ready to deal with them.
No offence taken. I want to know what I'm in for, and I appreciate you guys taking the time to discuss it with me. Oil changes on the blower are no problem. What's the lubricant worth... $30 / change or so? No biggy. I was planning on getting a gauge pod setup on my A-pillar with AFR and boost. AFR because it's useful, boost because it's sexy.

I'm not expecting it to be pain free. I'm just hoping it won't be a never ending hassle that makes me regret the car. What Magnum was going through with the plugs and tunes would be about my limit. Hopefully that was something to do with his other mods.

That fuel economy is similar is good. Has anybody written off any transmissions or motors yet with the IPF kit? I know vader wrote off a driveshaft, but that's not to bad. Wouldn't want to be eating tranny's though.
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No offence taken. I want to know what I'm in for, and I appreciate you guys taking the time to discuss it with me. Oil changes on the blower are no problem. What's the lubricant worth... $30 / change or so? No biggy. I was planning on getting a gauge pod setup on my A-pillar with AFR and boost. AFR because it's useful, boost because it's sexy.

I'm not expecting it to be pain free. I'm just hoping it won't be a never ending hassle that makes me regret the car. What Magnum was going through with the plugs and tunes would be about my limit. Hopefully that was something to do with his other mods.

That fuel economy is similar is good. Has anybody written off any transmissions or motors yet with the IPF kit? I know vader wrote off a driveshaft, but that's not to bad. Wouldn't want to be eating tranny's though.
Are you auto or manual? Are your only mods MRT v2? If your only mod is the MRT, and you bolt on the IPF kit, you won't go through any tranny's or engines. These engines can take more than you think.
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I'm a manual. For right now, My only mod is the MRTv2. Love the sound. I'm planning a bunch of brake, and suspension work next, then I want to go for FI. I was debating doing long tube headers... They should complement the IPF kit nicely, if they have their tune for them figured out.
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I'm a manual. For right now, My only mod is the MRTv2. Love the sound. I'm planning a bunch of brake, and suspension work next, then I want to go for FI. I was debating doing long tube headers... They should complement the IPF kit nicely, if they have their tune for them figured out.
They do. I would save a bit of money for a clutch upgrade in case it's needed. Some people needed it while others didn't. I'd still be prepared for it just in case. If you don't need the upgrade, then no harm and you have mod money. Brake and suspension work would be great. And yes they have the tune for headers figured out
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Once everything is all tuned the car runs great. As for reliability I've driven my car everyday and extremely long road trips. Longest straight road trip was 8 hours. Just make sure to follow up with your oil and check out the catch can often.
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I'd do the IPF kit again. Everyday driving is no problem; you hardly even know it's there until you ask it to wake up, as in rev it over 4K RPM. Oil changes are about $15 and after the initial 2500 mile change, you need to do it every 7500 miles. If you're worried about the belt, keep the stock belt in the trunk, along with an 8mm hex wrench, 1/2" breaker bar and an extension and you can drive it home after putting the original belt on.

I've also taken mine on long trips with no problems; mileage on the highway is actually slightly better with the system than without it, but maybe that's just because I've got more miles on the car now.

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Thanks everyone for your input. I think I would tend to want to do my S/C changes at the same time I do my regular changes, which is somewhat less than 7500 miles.

My eventual goal is road racing at the local track, which is why the S/C is a bit down on my list. I also want my warranty to run out a little bit more before I go bolting one of these bad boys on.
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I have the IPF SC kit and my car is a daily driver. I have 22k on the system and so far the only issue was the idler pulley bearing seized. I caught it quickly and made it home 20 miles without shredding the belt. Withe the new bearings that IPF has upgraded to there shouldn't be this issue again.
I had an issue with the tune at first but it turned out to be MAF and MAF wiring issues.
I am very satisfied with the system and support from IPF. It was the maturity and quality of the system that made me go with it.
As far as changing blower lube I just do it when I change my oil. Extra 5 min. is all it takes.
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I'd just like to say that while it seems most IPF kits might have their quirks and what not, I don't think that what Magnum is going through is common...in fact I highly doubt it is common.

IPF has sold 100+ of these kits from what I understand, and if they were all trash we'd know about it. But as you seem to understand....ANYTHING can happen and it is an additional risk and additional headache that you must be willing to deal with.

You having an LLT I feel makes it a bit worse. Even though I feel IPF is easily the best equipped at tuning FI applications for the LLT, it seems like in most cases there are always small tweaks to be made. Of course, tuning without a dyno (which is how most of these are done) makes it MUCH harder to dial in a perfect tune in my opinion. Also, I feel the LLT is a less mature engine than the newer LFX, and just seems to be a bit more prone to problems.

If you had an LFX...I'd say go for it and don't look back.

I love my car so much, but at the same time I hate the fact that it is an LLT. I should not have to be fearful of throwing this well developed FI application on my car, but yet I am...just worried I'll throw a timing chain or worse I'll get the magical dissapearing oil and I'll be out big time in repair bills.

In a nutshell....IPF is the best option. Most likely you won't have big issues, but nobody can tell you for sure. They do offer a warranty as well so that is something.
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