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Old 07-15-2009, 09:25 PM   #1
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Adding CAM Illegal in CA.??

Does adding a cam in California make the vehicle fail come smog time?
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Old 07-15-2009, 10:03 PM   #2
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yes, unless it comes with a CARB certification number. Any modification is illegal (even just changing the mufflers) unless it's certified by CARB.
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Old 07-15-2009, 11:21 PM   #3
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wow, are there really any good cams that are certified? How would the smog tech know if it was or wasnt. he obviously going to hear the engine. I guess we're screwed.
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Some smog guys are cool, others are textbook. Hell, there are some people that hook up your car, then bring in a friend's car that's bone stock to pass you automatically. It's very hit and miss as to what kind of smog person you get. You have like 4 years after you buy it until your first smog so it might not matter for a while.
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Old 07-16-2009, 01:32 AM   #5
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Some smog guys are cool, others are textbook. Hell, there are some people that hook up your car, then bring in a friend's car that's bone stock to pass you automatically. It's very hit and miss as to what kind of smog person you get. You have like 4 years after you buy it until your first smog so it might not matter for a while.
I thought it was 6 years
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Old 07-16-2009, 02:06 AM   #6
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I know it's 4 years at least. I've never bought a new car in my life so
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Old 07-16-2009, 10:53 AM   #7
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http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/smogfaq.htm


"Owners of vehicles six or less model years old will pay an annual smog abatement fee for the first six registration years instead of being required to provide a biennial smog certification"

Its 6 years for us in Cali.

A cam would be easier to sneek bye then LT headers as long as its a mild cam.


Mindz your crazy changing your muffs is not illegal man, as long
as there within DB limit.

heres what th rule book says for CHP regulation

aftermarket exhaust modifications do not in and of themselves violate muffler noise regulations unless the modifications result in noise levels exceeding California's 95-decibel limit.


personally I will not cam or tune my car until warranty in caput or i get a gm performance one that is covered under warranty by dealer.

LT headers, are still looking good though.
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when i had my mustang, i had a CAI and tune with an axleback. when i took it in to the dealer, i would swap out my CAI for my stock airbox and reflash to stock. never had any warranty issues. obviously, the swap would be more difficult with a cam however. my exhaust was pretty loud, but i never had issues with cops because i wasn't revving it like an idiot.

basically, you can get any mod you want now and you'll be fine but any type of possible warranty issues and you need to swap back to stock to keep your warranty. then once your 6 years are up, you need to be able to pass for smog. from my understanding, as long as you don't throw an engine code you should pass smog now.
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Old 07-16-2009, 11:36 PM   #9
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yes, unless it comes with a CARB certification number. Any modification is illegal (even just changing the mufflers) unless it's certified by CARB.

You can change mufflers all you want as long as they don't violate the DB standard, mufflers are not part of the emission equipment. Everything from the catalytic converters back is open game for mods, everything in front of those cats must carry a EO number from CARB. So yes a cam will not be legal unless it is CARB certified for 2010 Camaro.
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when i had my mustang, i had a CAI and tune with an axleback. when i took it in to the dealer, i would swap out my CAI for my stock airbox and reflash to stock. never had any warranty issues. obviously, the swap would be more difficult with a cam however. my exhaust was pretty loud, but i never had issues with cops because i wasn't revving it like an idiot.

basically, you can get any mod you want now and you'll be fine but any type of possible warranty issues and you need to swap back to stock to keep your warranty. then once your 6 years are up, you need to be able to pass for smog. from my understanding, as long as you don't throw an engine code you should pass smog now.

When you "reflashed to stock" are you saying you had a computer to change back to stock settings? Was that hard to do? will camaro come out with this for us?
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Old 07-17-2009, 12:24 AM   #11
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Tell me what you guys think.. MY PLAN --

1. CAI $350
2. Axle back Exhaust (SLP's loudmouth- yes thats withOUT a muffler $580)
3. SLP Long tube headers high flow cats deleted Res. (Called today, $1999.95)
4. Tune (have tune shop set up a "stock" mode and High perf. mode $550

Unless I'm blind and zoom by one of San Diego's finest (V1 Radar detector), I should be ok with sound levels (this set up sounds down right NASTY).


Come SMOG time.. switch out CAI, remove Lt's put back stock pipes. Re-tune back to "stock" mode ($100) So I don't have to worry for 6 years.. then every other year I spend 4 hours changing out exhaust...
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Why not go ARH header at that price. Cheaper and better gains.
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Old 07-17-2009, 07:19 AM   #13
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Sounds like a plan, SAV1...at least until you can move out of CA.
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Old 07-17-2009, 10:49 AM   #14
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Tell me what you guys think.. MY PLAN --

1. CAI $350
2. Axle back Exhaust (SLP's loudmouth- yes thats withOUT a muffler $580)
3. SLP Long tube headers high flow cats deleted Res. (Called today, $1999.95)
4. Tune (have tune shop set up a "stock" mode and High perf. mode $550

Unless I'm blind and zoom by one of San Diego's finest (V1 Radar detector), I should be ok with sound levels (this set up sounds down right NASTY).


Come SMOG time.. switch out CAI, remove Lt's put back stock pipes. Re-tune back to "stock" mode ($100) So I don't have to worry for 6 years.. then every other year I spend 4 hours changing out exhaust...


Do it man, sounds like a good plan.

i may follow that plan, not sure on the LTs yet myself. theres a few yet to come out
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Old 07-17-2009, 06:31 PM   #15
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Who is going to know? The BAR ref or the Smog test guy at the test only place is not going to look pull out the cam to inspect. But you "could" fail the sniff test but I doubt it unless the cam is really radical, combined with headers >>>

Heads are a different matter but still depends on the Smog tester. Heads can easily be seen in the visual inspection part of the test. If you have after-market heads, the BAR person will check the casting/part number against their CARB parts reference book, not in the book, you fail. Same for any other emissions parts of the car. Rarely however that you come across the test only person who cares or knows the difference. You pass the visual and sniff tests, you are good to go.
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Old 07-17-2009, 08:52 PM   #16
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Sounds like a plan, SAV1...at least until you can move out of CA.
i'll be moving to Australia if sh*t keeps going the way it's going.
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Old 07-17-2009, 09:06 PM   #17
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Tell me what you guys think.. MY PLAN --

1. CAI $350
2. Axle back Exhaust (SLP's loudmouth- yes thats withOUT a muffler $580)
3. SLP Long tube headers high flow cats deleted Res. (Called today, $1999.95)
4. Tune (have tune shop set up a "stock" mode and High perf. mode $550

Unless I'm blind and zoom by one of San Diego's finest (V1 Radar detector), I should be ok with sound levels (this set up sounds down right NASTY).


Come SMOG time.. switch out CAI, remove Lt's put back stock pipes. Re-tune back to "stock" mode ($100) So I don't have to worry for 6 years.. then every other year I spend 4 hours changing out exhaust...

IF you were to go "mufflerless", you will not want to go downtown SD. I was stopped 4 times WITH mufflers that were under the 95dB limit and still sighted for a "disturbance". It is at the discression of the officer and very difficult to fight. Ticket was minimal, but the frustration was more the issue. Reverb downtown is a beech, and that was in a 5 liter car, not a 6.3.

There are a couple of "shops" that are certified Smog Test only and Test and Tune shops that "inspect" cars for Navy guys all the time with no problems passing the visual test nor sniffer. They tend to be a little more expensive, but if your going to sink the money into your car, it could be another expense that is worth it.

I had performance cam, heads, long tube headers and no problems passing smog. Every part I put on my car (except headers) had a C.A.R.B #, they are out there, it just takes a little research.

Good luck with your mods!
Sounds like your on the right track though.
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Old 07-17-2009, 11:16 PM   #18
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IF you were to go "mufflerless", you will not want to go downtown SD. I was stopped 4 times WITH mufflers that were under the 95dB limit and still sighted for a "disturbance". It is at the discression of the officer and very difficult to fight. Ticket was minimal, but the frustration was more the issue. Reverb downtown is a beech, and that was in a 5 liter car, not a 6.3.

There are a couple of "shops" that are certified Smog Test only and Test and Tune shops that "inspect" cars for Navy guys all the time with no problems passing the visual test nor sniffer. They tend to be a little more expensive, but if your going to sink the money into your car, it could be another expense that is worth it.

I had performance cam, heads, long tube headers and no problems passing smog. Every part I put on my car (except headers) had a C.A.R.B #, they are out there, it just takes a little research.

Good luck with your mods!
Sounds like your on the right track though.
Wow, thanks for that info.. were you in Gaslamp distric at night? because those cops are on the prowl..

You had LT's , cam!!?? and still passed?? WOW. Were you runnning cats? on my new set up I was thinking delete res, add high flow cats, Lt's, and maybe high flow muff..
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IF you were to go "mufflerless", you will not want to go downtown SD. I was stopped 4 times WITH mufflers that were under the 95dB limit and still sighted for a "disturbance". It is at the discression of the officer and very difficult to fight. Ticket was minimal, but the frustration was more the issue. Reverb downtown is a beech, and that was in a 5 liter car, not a 6.3.

There are a couple of "shops" that are certified Smog Test only and Test and Tune shops that "inspect" cars for Navy guys all the time with no problems passing the visual test nor sniffer. They tend to be a little more expensive, but if your going to sink the money into your car, it could be another expense that is worth it.

I had performance cam, heads, long tube headers and no problems passing smog. Every part I put on my car (except headers) had a C.A.R.B #, they are out there, it just takes a little research.

Good luck with your mods!
Sounds like your on the right track though.
Wow, that's crazy. You have LT's, and performance cam and you past smog? In california? Shoot, what brand LT's and cam did you install. I want to check them out. I had Longtubes and stock cam in a 2000 Camaro SS, and was far from passing. :(
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Technically yes, but how is an inspection lane going to know you changed the CAM? Most inspections compare what they see in the engine bay to picture, schematics and log books. If it isn't too aggressive, doesn't through any codes and passes smog I think you could sneak it through. I carry Nevada plates(military), just to avoid the hassle. My K5 has a crate motor in it. I don't have any Carb info for it. I attempted to get CA plates. It wouldn't pass. Found out it was because of the Carberator and intake. If I swapped them for factory ones, it would pass regardless of the block.
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Wow, thanks for that info.. were you in Gaslamp distric at night? because those cops are on the prowl..

You had LT's , cam!!?? and still passed?? WOW. Were you runnning cats? on my new set up I was thinking delete res, add high flow cats, Lt's, and maybe high flow muff..
I was running cats, had the 302 punched to 347, full flow master exhaust (with American Thunder mufflers), Comp Cams cam, Paxton SC, and had close to 600rwhp and was able to "pass" smog.

You have to find the right shop to do your smog check. If you roll into a strange shop and ask the "inspector" to overlook your mods, chances are, the inspector isn't going to risk the fine for you. If you start preparing early and build a rapport with the inspector, you may be pleasantly surprised as to how blind they become.

I've seen shops that have entered all the info for car "a" into the cal system, then drove a different car onto the rollers and ran the test. Car "a" passed, and car "b" wasn't noted anywhere on the paperwork.

I couldn't go to Horton Plaza without getting noticed. It didn't matter if it was day or night the car was F'ing LOUD.

My current setup is Cam (Comp), LT headers, high flow cats (BBK), bullet mufflers (JBA), and using the factory H-pipe and it's just as loud as my 5.0 was, and maybe a hair louder. I haven't nor do I plan on testing downtown SD anytime soon.


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Long tubes in your 2000 should have been fine because the o2 sensor was farther back so there were no issues. I had a 97 trans am with jBA lt headers, hi flow cats and SLP 2 on the left exhaust and passed with and without my ProCharger blower. Nowadays the cats are closer to the engine so a recalibration is required. There is no way a car with no cats will pass a sniff test unless another car is testing for it or the smog equip is broken.

You could have your tuner create a test tune for smogging purposes for your cam scenario. Run around on a normal tune and then swap to the test tune. I'm not certain this would work but worth asking your tuner.

Honestly, nowadays the stock cams are pretty good so it's not really a mod I'd do unless I already had a tear down going for some other reason (heads, bore out cylinders, etc)
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i'll be moving to Australia if sh*t keeps going the way it's going.
I think Austrailia's inspections are more restrictive than ours from my experience with Harley's there.
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There is no way a car with no cats will pass a sniff test unless another car is testing for it or the smog equip is broken.

You could have your tuner create a test tune for smogging purposes for your cam scenario. Run around on a normal tune and then swap to the test tune. I'm not certain this would work but worth asking your tuner.
Starting in January 2013 the sniff test goes away. As long as your tune does not throw any codes, your car will pass the test, unless you have a "visual" fail.
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