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Old 11-03-2013, 10:47 PM   #26
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I still haven't seen a ZL1 on the streets, several on new lots and none on the used car lots.
Except for going to F Body gathering, which doesn't count as the street I think, I've seen besides mine 1 Black Vert in Miami last January, and one Red one near me. I know of a lady that bought a Rally Yellow one but I haven't seen her drive it, just saw pictures through a mutual friend.
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Old 11-03-2013, 11:14 PM   #27
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Appears supply and demand, technology obsolescence, changing interest and NEWEST hot car are all at fault. I'm keeping mine.
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Old 11-04-2013, 07:32 AM   #28
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I would guess that that a lot of people trading them thought they could afford it until they got their new insurance premium.
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lol. its the fuel and rubber killing me. over $5k in fuel last year plus 1 set of front tires and 2 sets of rear tires per year.
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Old 11-04-2013, 07:52 AM   #30
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in the long run the ZL1 will rule. in 10 years google the ZL1 then the lexus you will see the difference
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Old 11-04-2013, 09:30 AM   #31
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It seems to me that many people that own them, bought them because they were coolest,newest gadget around and they always have to have that.

I bought mine because it is a very comfortable and capable street car. The stereo is not the best, but the magnetic ride really is. It is reliable, solid and comfortable.

Also, I like to go to track days when I can and it can hold it's own there. So, it's a reliable, solid, fast and comfortable street car that is also track ready.

If someone is looking for the latest, coolest widget, then they are looking at C7's now and they are typically people that don't keep their cars that long and they can afford the depreciation. That will slow down as things settle in. Don't forget they have only been around since 2012 so the initial rush is over.
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I strongly suggest going and driving all the cars your interested in. C7s are amazing. I would at least sit in or drive one before committing to anything else. Same with the GTR, GT500, CTSV, etc. Coming from a LS to any of these cars will be a big change.
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Old 11-04-2013, 11:16 AM   #33
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Appears supply and demand, technology obsolescence, changing interest and NEWEST hot car are all at fault. I'm keeping mine.
I would total agree. Some people buy cars to own the newest hottest thing. Same thing happened with the Gen5 Camaro when it first came out. When I first bought my ZL1 I saw a ton. Now they have become rare to see on the street.

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Old 11-04-2013, 12:28 PM   #34
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What blows my mind is that most of the cars are all under 2-3k miles. The highest mileage I saw was 6500 miles. Why the hell would you drop such a great car?? For me the first year or two is the honeymoon phase when I own a car. I couldn't imagine just dumping a car I loved in a year. I was looking at a white convertible automatic they had a local Porsche dealership. The car only had 1500 miles on it and it was selling for 15k under sticker !!!! When I bought both of my Lexus sedans they offered me the option of a 1 yr used option and they would knock off 1500-2000 bucks for the same mileage. For the same 65- 70k I also have options like a 1-2 yr old Nissan GTR or a brand new Lexus ISF. I know the ZL1 is a different type of animal all together but I was looking for a reliable very fast car that will put a smile on my face and never make me late for work as my daily driver. What concerned me was when I google used Lexus ISFs model yr 2012 or even 2013 literally nothing will come up within 500 miles.

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1) A lot of people buy such a high end car and can not afford the payments and either get it taken back by the banks,or trade it in to save their credit.
2) Those people that are well to do but not rich & can afford to buy a car and take a loss every couple of yrs just to be able to get the newest thing on the block trade in their cars..
3) Those that are rich and just buy anything anytime they want just buy it and get another toy whenever they want
4) GM loyalist that have to have a couple Badest toy every time they can afford it so they have a ZR1 & a ZL1 ,but now the C7 is out they trade in the ZL1 till the new ZR1 come out..knowing in a couple yrs they can re buy the ZL1 for less than they sold their ZL1 for and make up the difference in the loss..
5)those like my self purchased it on a whim and know realize it doesn't fit there lifestyle and may trade it in or sell for something that fits it better after a short time frame,or having checked it off their bucket list,lol
6) If you look at any make of high end car other than fords GT40 they all end up on the used cars lots for the same reason and in the same volume,and with the same $ amount of loss. Doesn't make it any less of a car,and it will still sell new to those that have to have it new,or used to those that have to have it,but are willing to wait a yr or 2 till it cost ten grand less with a few 1000's miles on it
7) People who like myself take it to places like FASTLANE increase the power enjoy it(i dont do the following) race it,test it,and then remove all of the parts and sell it as stock & to move on the the next toy.
) As far as other used cars,the GT40 3 with 1000 miles of myself ,IFA 3 within myself but those don't really count as not in the same price range but just as a example of other high end used cars
) The IFS i found 4 for sale used within 1000 miles of myself last night,but doesn't mean its a up to date list as i used Google when i went looking for my ZL1 and they were all gone being red tin coat was what i really wanted instead of black when i went to the dealer...
) I say buy it if its what you want, you wont be disappointed trust us....
) As far as any of the interior pieces everyone has their opinions ,but if they were unhappy they should of either sat in it,test drove it first,or relized GM is GM period....plus the seats & steering wheels are great,really soft much better than leather ,try the difference after your car has sat in the hot summer all day....ALL OF THE ABOVE IS JUST IMOP..
) OH the great thing is for those that will mod their ZL1's is that there are some great modded ZL1's on the market that buyer's cans literally save 15k -20k on buying as is !!!
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Old 11-04-2013, 01:00 PM   #35
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I would total agree. Some people buy cars to own the newest hottest thing. Same thing happened with the Gen5 Camaro when it first came out. When I first bought my ZL1 I saw a ton. Now they have become rare to see on the street.

I love my car and drive it every day.
I agree I have never seen another ZL1 on the street at the same time as I was driving my car personally..BUT I did see 5 at FASTLANE when i first went to get my car upgraded ...& there was another 3 there 2 months later on 11/2 saturday at their customer party...All appeared to be track use cars I am guessing from the tires.They all seemed to be set up for road course racing,with nets,cages,and 4 road course tires on them..but one still had lic plates the others did not,and were all in the back not on display for the party....Along with a turbo SS set up for road course racing with tires at all 4 corners.Here is a pic of my son with the ss I didnt bother to take any pics of the ZL's as it was my son choosing which cars he wanted pics with,Shows whos in charge in the family,lol...I think some are being put away,some are being used as track only,and some are being driven which leads to the reason there are not a lot on the street sort of what happened with the GN version of the buick regal 2 yrs after release...We had 3 of those and wish I still had them all,and had put One of them away The GNX my father had purchased new sold with only 15k on it.he does too!!!
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Hey guys. I am a noobee to the Camaro5 forum and the ZL1. I currently drive a Lexus LS460 and have been craving something more raw, powerful, inspiring, and smile creating. I have been looking into the ZL1 and want to buy one. My concern is when I look online locally there are plenty of used 2013 and 2012s on the market. It made me concerned because I figured if someone bought one of these special cars they would not let it go very soon or easily. I was wondering if there was a big common issue with the ZL1s? I have done a little research and the cars seem pretty solid to me. Any ideas as to why this may be? I found a beautiful white 2013 convertible for a great deal but held off when I saw so many on the market. I am a big Lexus guy so I like cars that are reliable and die hard. Not expecting LS460 reliability, but am I missing something??

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Old 11-05-2013, 07:12 AM   #37
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It seems to me that many people that own them, bought them because they were coolest,newest gadget around and they always have to have that.

I bought mine because it is a very comfortable and capable street car. The stereo is not the best, but the magnetic ride really is. It is reliable, solid and comfortable.

Also, I like to go to track days when I can and it can hold it's own there. So, it's a reliable, solid, fast and comfortable street car that is also track ready.

If someone is looking for the latest, coolest widget, then they are looking at C7's now and they are typically people that don't keep their cars that long and they can afford the depreciation. That will slow down as things settle in. Don't forget they have only been around since 2012 so the initial rush is over.
i agree on the stereo system. considering its premium sound it sucks compared to the bose system the g.m trucks get with the premium sound package. it doesn't bother me too much though as mostly i listen to the motor, supercharger and exhaust. those seem to calm this savage beast more than music
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:38 PM   #38
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Most I suspect are on a list to get a C7 Vette, or a Z/28 (price just released - $61k base).

I was on a waiting list for a C7 and got tired of waiting. Bought the ZL1 as a consolation price, and I'm glad I did. I was truly shocked at how great the ZL1 is compared to my 2010 Camaro. The ZL1 is worth it.
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:51 PM   #39
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I do about 30000 miles per year with my daily driver. The Camaro is too expensive in my opinion to use as a daily driver if you put down serious mileage.
This is a very good point. Seriously, don't get this as your daily driver. You will be disappointed with the gas mileage (12/14/18 mpg). My ZL1 is a weekend fun car - I have a Civic Si as a daily driver.
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Old 11-05-2013, 08:24 PM   #40
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i dont know how anyone could afford to drive a ZL1 as a daily driver. the gas alone would kill a person. i have a 2 lt for daily use, only 275 miles on it since i bought it.
wow, 61K for a Z28, and my friend bought his 94 Z28 new for 24K new.
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During the summer months, my ZL1 Vert IS my DD and to and from work takes about 70 miles each day at 16.1 mpg.
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Old 11-05-2013, 09:50 PM   #42
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During the summer months, my ZL1 Vert IS my DD and to and from work takes about 70 miles each day at 16.1 mpg.
Wow! Lucky to you ! I wonder how much you spend on gas for a whole week.
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I stopped to look at a new C7 and people were looking at my Bumblebee! I told the dealer that I get 4X more looks than a C7 at half the price! :-)
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I bought a new 14 zl1 convert last month. I tell you the truth, honestly I think the car is amazing on power, and rather skimpy on quality. I believe the engineers put so much time and money onto developing the car, that they tried to make the money up on things like putting a plastic/rubber emergency brake handle in the car! Wrong move Gm, especially when they advertise the interior as all leather!. The seats are rather deceptively cheap too, they use some sort of inserts into the seats, and they call it leather, I do not believe the seats will last like they should, another poor choice Gm!. Do that on the SS, not on the 60K version!. I will also tell you after owning a 2013 Gt Premium Mustang, Loaded that cost me 40k out the door, I truely Miss it. The Zl1 has some fun cool features like Launch control, but how often are we using that?. Secondly the Camaro's navigation system is clumsy and awekward compared to the microsoft sync system in the mustang. So for an extra 25k you get the zl1 with an average 14 mpg? Bottom like more hype then delivery for the money. I looked at the c7, Gm really did put the quality into the interior on that one, so if you can live with the - rear seat, I would recommend that choice. Hope I helped.


Yup. and I know someone who also had a ZL1 and traded for the C7... I only have the SS and that option has been in my thoughts. That C7 is so hot
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90% of GM Auto Loans to Subprime borrowers….

Not casting any stones here, but some of the talk of so many cars being available and loan stress a possible issue may be true… and it may be across the entire line, not just ZL1……. So, it's not a ZL1 issue (if it is the issue, not saying it is, but if so, get some tissue)

Read for yourself… we may be in a Car Bubble according to GM. Like houses, may see a lot come back on the market. Is is true? Another CASH for CLUNKERS?
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I had no idea their lending arm, GM Financial, was going down this slippery slope. You'd think they would learn from the past, but apparently not.

This snippet from the article linked above says it all:

"GMF has the riskiest lending portfolio of any major car company: 96 percent of its customers have credit scores below 660. GM’s lending habits parallel those in the housing market leading up to the 2008 crash…GM finished the year with 8.5 percent of loans in delinquency, the highest rate since 2010 and larger than the delinquency rates at Ford, Toyota, and Honda combined"

It may move cars off the lots today, but doesn't bode well for the future.
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Old 11-06-2013, 09:38 AM   #47
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some people just want to say they have the latest and greatest car in their garage, even if they barely drive it. so when something new comes out they sell the old one and get the new one
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Old 11-06-2013, 10:53 AM   #48
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I think the ZL1 like the Corvettes will remain rather expensive used cars and hold their value in the used car market. The dealer may low ball us on these cars on a trade in, but they will go for significantly higher than a used low mileage SS and like the Corvette ZR1 I have never seen a used ZL1 for sale on a dealer lot. You just don't see them very often. History will be very kind to these cars (Z06, ZL1 and ZR1) when it's all said and done.

There has to be some value to the greatest, most powerful Camaro ever built. The ZR1 is also one for the history books. The ZL1 is 2 to 3 times the car it replaced in the 4th generation Camaro. I will go out on a limb and say it will not soon be eclipsed by a similar outrageous growth spurt in the 6th generation car.

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ZR1 values are tanking. You can get one for mid 60s or less now. Corvettes don't' hold value at all. Give them 4-5 years and they are 50-60% of original price.
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ZR1 values are tanking. You can get one for mid 60s or less now. Corvettes don't' hold value at all. Give them 4-5 years and they are 50-60% of original price.
That is because the cost of the car new is so high. 50% of the value new is still an expensive used car, that the average Joe just cannot usually swing. Therefore they will remain exclusive. I am seeing 2007 Corvettes going in the mid 30s on used car lots. That is pretty expensive even at half the price of new.
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