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Old 11-05-2013, 05:46 PM   #26
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:57 PM   #27
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Honestly, I would suggest you throw one of our tunes on it. It will install in a few minutes, can easily be turned 100% back to stock, and it will easily give you that extra TQ that your looking for (amazing HP & TQ increases throught the RPM range). We haven't officially released it yet because of the insane volume the C7 has created for us, but PM me and I can work out a special "pre-sale" deal with you. I have them 100% ready to ship,
Do these work on 2010 2LT/RS vehicles as well?
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Old 11-05-2013, 08:21 PM   #28
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It's a bone stock SS but I'm still proud of it. I took it out the first day and tried to do some burnouts and honestly it seems kind of underpowered. I thought the 400HP/automatic would feel insane but it really needs some help off the line. I know you guys will have some suggestions so I am all ears. I'd like to start with bolt-ons and something that kicks me in the seat of the pants. Anyways, I'm excited to finally have my dream car.
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Old 11-05-2013, 08:27 PM   #29
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Old 11-05-2013, 08:31 PM   #30
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Old 11-05-2013, 08:33 PM   #31
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Old 11-05-2013, 09:30 PM   #32
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Run through a couple tanks a premium and then do the fuse pulls people mention here already. Instead of going into drive, shift all the way down to manual (M). Providing you don't touch the paddle shifters on the steering wheel, this will put you in sport mode which is more aggressive than regular driving mode with lower miles per gallon as well.

I normally hit the traction control button twice which puts me in competitive mode which is a little bit more fun driving assuming it's not wet outside. Press and hold the traction control button for about seven seconds and it will completely turn off all the nannies. Be careful though because you have no computerized help if you go sideways. Competitive mode leaves some of the computerized features on but just not as restrictive as stock. These changes are temporary only last until you turn the car off. You have to do them every time you start the car if you want them on.

Be careful about tunes because they leave some remnants behind from what I've read in these forums even if you remove them. If you end up with some problems GMs can look for any reason not to honor the warranty and that could be just the thing to do it. If you're okay with that and I would highly suggest a tune.
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Old 11-05-2013, 09:56 PM   #33
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I didn't read the whole thread so sorry if this was mentioned. I have a 2010 SS/LS3 and last week I had the rear end 3.45 gear set switched out to a 3.91 gear set. OMG what a difference this switch out has made! A great mod for about a grand that I would certainly recommend.

Congrats on the new car....it looks exactly like mine did when I got it on 6/17/2009!

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Old 11-05-2013, 11:08 PM   #34
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Congrats on a very cool ride! Be careful....once your bitten by the mod bug, you'll find it very difficult to stop!
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Old 11-06-2013, 09:13 AM   #35
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Old 11-06-2013, 09:29 AM   #36
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Honestly, I would suggest you throw one of our tunes on it. It will install in a few minutes, can easily be turned 100% back to stock, and it will easily give you that extra TQ that your looking for (amazing HP & TQ increases throught the RPM range). We haven't officially released it yet because of the insane volume the C7 has created for us, but PM me and I can work out a special "pre-sale" deal with you. I have them 100% ready to ship,
The claim that the system can be returned to "100% back to stock" flies in the face of all the previous posts and experiences I have read to date. It is my understanding that the ECU does track history of programming changes and that a tune WILL void the power train warranty. It you can prove otherwise, please do so. If not, do not make claims you cannot back or give advise to new users on this forum that may cause them financial hardship if warranty claims can be denied by following that same advise.

If I am mistaken, then my apologies, however I considered a vendor advocating something that could unknowingly void the power train warranty a pretty serious issue.
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Old 11-06-2013, 09:29 AM   #37
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Congrats!!! I have a L99 and the first must is a fuse pull. Then exhaust, CAI and a tune opens this beast up!!!! Mine is like a totally different car now, I regret not doing the tune sooner. And always put it in Sport mode. I never drive mine in any other mode.

As far as the tune it will void your warranty. You can restore to stock but the computer records it but worth it. Make sure if you get a handheld, you can get rid of the AFM. That alone is worth a tune. I have a superchips and love it. I changed my shift points, gear ratio, etc. It feels and shifts like a race car now.
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Old 11-06-2013, 01:52 PM   #38
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Congrats on your SS! It looks fantastic! How was the initial drive?

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Wow, thanks for that! Didn't expect Chevy on here. Initial drive was great. It sounds like there are some things here I can do to make it better and I don't mean that in a bad way. If there is one thing I would tell all auto manufacturers it's always leave something on the table. Most of us want to personalize our cars in some way and even if Chevy put the best cold air,exhaust, etc.,etc. on a new car - guys like me would still want to take it off and put on a different one. Not sure why, we just do that. Thanks for the great cars and give those American workers a big pat on the back!
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Old 11-06-2013, 01:55 PM   #39
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Run through a couple tanks a premium and then do the fuse pulls people mention here already. Instead of going into drive, shift all the way down to manual (M). Providing you don't touch the paddle shifters on the steering wheel, this will put you in sport mode which is more aggressive than regular driving mode with lower miles per gallon as well.

I normally hit the traction control button twice which puts me in competitive mode which is a little bit more fun driving assuming it's not wet outside. Press and hold the traction control button for about seven seconds and it will completely turn off all the nannies. Be careful though because you have no computerized help if you go sideways. Competitive mode leaves some of the computerized features on but just not as restrictive as stock. These changes are temporary only last until you turn the car off. You have to do them every time you start the car if you want them on.

Be careful about tunes because they leave some remnants behind from what I've read in these forums even if you remove them. If you end up with some problems GMs can look for any reason not to honor the warranty and that could be just the thing to do it. If you're okay with that and I would highly suggest a tune.

All this button pushing info was really great. I definitely haven't done all that yet. As far as the tune from Phadt goes I'm really not worried after talking to them. Thanks again
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Old 11-06-2013, 01:56 PM   #40
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Old 11-06-2013, 02:02 PM   #41
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The claim that the system can be returned to "100% back to stock" flies in the face of all the previous posts and experiences I have read to date. It is my understanding that the ECU does track history of programming changes and that a tune WILL void the power train warranty. It you can prove otherwise, please do so. If not, do not make claims you cannot back or give advise to new users on this forum that may cause them financial hardship if warranty claims can be denied by following that same advise.

If I am mistaken, then my apologies, however I considered a vendor advocating something that could unknowingly void the power train warranty a pretty serious issue.
I definitely appreciate the concern and advice man. That's what this place is all about!!

I googled Pfadt and found a Cadillac dealer who sells their stuff and I just gave them a call and asked them point blank - can you see this tune on the caddys and the dude said no. He also talked big things about Phadt and said they make good products and it seems rare that a dealership sells performance products. Anyways, time will tell but I can't wait to get that tune!
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Old 11-06-2013, 02:22 PM   #42
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I have nothing against Pfadt, and like you, have heard great things about their products. However, the whole ECU history issue has been visited and revisited many times See:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79922

If something has changed or if the PFadt tune is somehow unique then that's great news, however I doubt calling your local Cadillac dealer is really the definitive answer.

It doesn't sound like you are that concerned with your warranty and if that is the case then go for it....no doubt at all that it will make a tremendous difference in the feel of the car.

That aside, I would still like to hear from the PFadt rep and the Chevy customer service reps that check in here with regards to the tune versus warranty question.
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Old 11-06-2013, 02:25 PM   #43
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Old 11-06-2013, 03:11 PM   #44
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The claim that the system can be returned to "100% back to stock" flies in the face of all the previous posts and experiences I have read to date.....

If I am mistaken, then my apologies, however I considered a vendor advocating something that could unknowingly void the power train warranty a pretty serious issue.

What a fantastic question! You've brought up some very good points regarding the different types of tunes available to 5th Gen consumers (the Pfadt tune, and other generic "canned tunes"). It sounds like you've done a lot of research regarding the subject, and I applaud that! However, at Pfadt we are at the forefront of ECU tuning, and we have addressed many of the current concerns about ecu tuning that limit other competitors.

Let me give you some details regarding our product, but first let me say that for any warranty concerns regarding the addition of our ECU tune, you really need to contact your local GM service provider. GM will be the ones that can inform you on the details of your warranty and how any modification may affect it

Regarding the returning to stock option, we do allow our customers to return 100% to stock.
I know that our tuning system will allow you to flash the ECU, and Flash a stock tune back to the ECU. Our tune also allows you to flash to the stock tune and have the CVN (calibration verification number) to match the OEM calibration for testing purposes and also have the flash counter not affected. If you happen to have trouble with say, the suspension system acting up, you may need your engine calibration to be back to stock in order to troubleshoot the suspension system. I know that isn't very straightforward and it is just a hypothetical example. But I am just trying to illustrate why one would need to use a transparent tune. All of the on board systems talk to each other occasionally and that is why transparency is useful in certain scenarios. For testing purposes, it is ideal to not have the flash counter incremented and to have the CVN match; this is what our tune can provide.

Thanks for the support!
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What a fantastic question! You've brought up some very good points regarding the different types of tunes available to 5th Gen consumers (the Pfadt tune, and other generic "canned tunes"). It sounds like you've done a lot of research regarding the subject, and I applaud that! However, at Pfadt we are at the forefront of ECU tuning, and we have addressed many of the current concerns about ecu tuning that limit other competitors.

Let me give you some details regarding our product, but first let me say that for any warranty concerns regarding the addition of our ECU tune, you really need to contact your local GM service provider. GM will be the ones that can inform you on the details of your warranty and how any modification may affect it

Regarding the returning to stock option, we do allow our customers to return 100% to stock.
I know that our tuning system will allow you to flash the ECU, and Flash a stock tune back to the ECU. Our tune also allows you to flash to the stock tune and have the CVN (calibration verification number) to match the OEM calibration for testing purposes and also have the flash counter not affected. If you happen to have trouble with say, the suspension system acting up, you may need your engine calibration to be back to stock in order to troubleshoot the suspension system. I know that isn't very straightforward and it is just a hypothetical example. But I am just trying to illustrate why one would need to use a transparent tune. All of the on board systems talk to each other occasionally and that is why transparency is useful in certain scenarios. For testing purposes, it is ideal to not have the flash counter incremented and to have the CVN match; this is what our tune can provide.

Thanks for the support!
So if something were to break, one would put it back to "100% factory stock" and the dealership sees the tune. One would ask the dealer how, and the dealer says the counter or the CVN has changed, how would you then back your claims??

I'm not trying to single you out, but if you're making these claims, we need reassurance that the info is indeed true and not just a sales pitch, so to speak.
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So if something were to break, one would put it back to "100% factory stock" and the dealership sees the tune. One would ask the dealer how, and the dealer says the counter or the CVN has changed, how would you then back your claims??

I'm not trying to single you out, but if you're making these claims, we need reassurance that the info is indeed true and not just a sales pitch, so to speak.
You must have turds for brains: You just asked a company, to publicly, in writing, verify their product can be used against its intended purpose to defraud GM???? Let me know how that goes

All Pfadt said is that you need to contact GM for any warranty concerns. They simply stated that their tune will not change the write counter and the CVN which is entirely possible. Just because the Camaro crowd hasn't seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. This method of tuning has been successful on several GM platforms with more sophisticated ECU's for at least the past 12 months. Get your head out of your a** and see the sunlight a little
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Old 11-06-2013, 03:52 PM   #47
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Regarding the returning to stock option, we do allow our customers to return 100% to stock.
I know that our tuning system will allow you to flash the ECU, and Flash a stock tune back to the ECU. Our tune also allows you to flash to the stock tune and have the CVN (calibration verification number) to match the OEM calibration for testing purposes and also have the flash counter not affected.
After your response, I did some additional research. While I had thought this question was resolved, whether a tune is 1.) detectable and 2.) voids the power train warranty, I see that the debate rages on. Yet, while many companies that provide custom tunes and tuners claim that they provide transparency and the ability to flash back to OEM stock (with CVN), you are the first I've read that says that you can defeat the ECU counters. That has been a key issue in that while GM might not see what the custom tune did, the very fact that the history showed a series of flashes was enough to dirty the warranty waters.

Unfortunately, this is not like selling headers or other performance parts where the answer is to stick it on a dyno before and after and get verifiable results. That being said, how can you back the claims that this tune is truly transparent.
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Old 11-06-2013, 03:56 PM   #48
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Take it easy Cammarrah, there is no need for this thread to derail. At Pfadt, we are more than confident about our products and their features. Our engineering expertise and innovative products sometimes come into question, that is to be expected when you are at the forefront.

Lets remember what the OP wanted...He is excited about his new car, and is even more excited to explore the upgrades that are available. We should all understand his excitement and be supportive! I'm just glad to see another Camaro brother looking to make his car, his dream car.
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Old 11-06-2013, 03:58 PM   #49
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Take it easy Cammarrah, there is no need for this thread to derail. At Pfadt, we are more than confident about our products and their features. Our engineering expertise and innovative products sometimes come into question, that is to be expected when you are at the forefront.

Lets remember what the OP wanted...He is excited about his new car, and is even more excited to explore the upgrades that are available. We should all understand his excitement and be supportive! I'm just glad to see another Camaro brother looking to make his car, his dream car.
Thank you.....much better than MY initial response....
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Is your license plate mount a picture of the front of your car or does it just not have a license plate in it? Why does it look like a transparent nothingness? Is that a dumb question?
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