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Old 03-19-2008, 03:49 PM   #51
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Anyone else think its strange that Peper told us that the v6 would be 300+ and Lutz is saying that the v6 will only be 260?? Hell even that engine in the transverse crossover is 283, I don't see how Lutz can be right about the output of the 3.6 in the Camaro.
What is also a little confusing is...they keep quoting 6.0 as the V8? Both Lutz and Peper have quoted this...hmmm?

I will wait to see just what "premium priced" means...but I am still holding out for a V8/M6 within a thousand dollars of a similarly equipped Mustang.
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I for one have faith in GM. They're a business after all and thus their primary goal at the end of the day is to make the largest profit possible. You do that by offering the best vehicle possible, so I wouldn't worry too terribly much. Even if they do offer a 4-banger entry-level option, so what? We'll all get the V6 or V8 and we'll have a lot of teenagers and mom's-in-mid-life-crisis driving around in the I4's. If anything we gain new "comrades" and keep these potential "ricers" from purchasing foreign cars.

We get our V8's/V6's, GM gets to sell more cars, foreign automakers lose business.

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You guys are rediculous. Has everyone forgot about the 4 cylinder camaro's of the 80's. It didn't disgrace the car's rep then, why will it now. In the 80's we were getting over the gas crunch and the ecomony sucked (just like today) and the I4 only lasted a few years. I think a 4 is a great idea. It will help with the fleet mpg's and lower the price for non-enthusiasts. WE ARE STILL GETTING THE V8, whats the big deal. Yeah, maybe ricers will buy the I-4 turbo, but that means more sales insuring the future of the camaro. The more people this car appeals to the better. The camaro has to adapt and evolve to survive. Let's not forget that the car went on hiautus because it didn't evolve. All of you that are upset that the camaro can be offered with a 4 are obsured. Go buy a turbo cobalt and get jelous when I blow past in my V8 fifth gen.
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GM from their stand point has to offer the three different engines. Times are changing and the gas prices are not going down EVER! They are expecting gas prices to rise over $4 this summer. How are they gonna sell big V8 if the people cant afford to put gas in its tank? It will help them achieve the numbers they are aiming for. Just like any other business you do what is profitable, which means they want to get costumers in the front door to start with. And with offering a 4 cyl you will get the camaro into more peoples hands. I am not trying to start an arguement by saying this but will the muscle cars no longer be muscle cars when the gas is all gone???? Eventually there is gonna be a different fuel source that is fact. Just because there is a 4 cyl camaro doesnt mean that the V8 that myself and most likely the rest of you guys on this site are going to buy is crap now. And i would imagine that GM has learned for its last mistake with the camaro in price. The gen 4 camaro was way overpriced compared to the mustang, so i doubt the price won't be too out of line with the mustang in the end.
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I don't want to be too pessimistic, but I can't shake the feeling in the pit of my stomach about the price. I hope the General was only shooting off at the mouth and the guys on the front lines know what's really going on and will chime in soon.
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ok seriously, the I4 is a smart @$$ idea. no one else thought to do it, so that means they have technically one-uped the competition. ok sure the cobalt ss would have more power, but big deal, does the colbalt have a rep, design, and overall presence like the camaro does? HELL NO!!! beside like others have said, there are 2 other choices, if you dont want the I4, then get the V6 or V8. its not that bad of an idea guys and gals, its actually pretty smart if you really think about it.
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I knew this would happen. Like I said in a previous post I bought a Mustang GT in 1988 for 14,000 because I could'nt afford 18000 for the IROC. Even in todays market a four thousand dollar diffrence would push alot of people toward the Mustang. I can afford the diffrence NOW but alot of younger buyers are not going to pay more. GM wonders why the Mustang always sells more. Its price people. I could rant on and on about this because it really makes me angry but whats the point. I'm still buyng one.
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What is also a little confusing is...they keep quoting 6.0 as the V8? Both Lutz and Peper have quoted this...hmmm?

I will wait to see just what "premium priced" means...but I am still holding out for a V8/M6 within a thousand dollars of a similarly equipped Mustang.
Yeah I noticed they both quoted the 6.0 for V8 too. I can understand where the "big muscle engine heritage" guys are coming from with seeing a 4 cyl Camaro joining in, it does seem to water down the Jack Daniels a little.

I'm sure this will draw the 16-19 yr olds for graduation gifts or insurance reasons. It doesn't affect me though because the V8 is my target and most everyone else is on the V6 boat. What does grab me is the "premium priced" remark. I know the Camaro will cost more than the mustang on every model type cuz of performance and quality... I'm not stupid or cheap but HOW MUCH more does make a HUGE difference.

I do have faith but man I would hate to see a carpet pulled from under me, it would cause me to fall and break my Rose colored glasses!

I guess the worst thing that would happen is me buying the V6 cuz they had the V8 too highly priced. That would so suck...
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Another thing to the I4 nay-sayers:

We should be glad we're even getting the V8 when rumors are Ford will be dropping their Mustang V8's and switching to a twin-turbo V6 setup for their GTs in the coming years.

Frankly if I had a choice between GM offering a range from I4 thru V8 or offering a base V6 and a twin-turbo V6 then I'll happily take the former.
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I knew this would happen. Like I said in a previous post I bought a Mustang GT in 1988 for 14,000 because I could'nt afford 18000 for the IROC. Even in todays market a four thousand dollar diffrence would push alot of people toward the Mustang. I can afford the diffrence NOW but alot of younger buyers are not going to pay more. GM wonders why the Mustang always sells more. Its price people. I could rant on and on about this because it really makes me angry but whats the point. I'm still buyng one.
You are exactly right. A local Ford dealer has multiple base v6 2008 Mustangs available at $15,988 (MSRP $19,995). I don't care that it only has 210hp, it will get someone from point A to point B in a sporty ride. Take someone that is cross-shopping an entry point sports car and show them the base Mustang and a base Camaro with the pricing premium on the Camaro (Turbo4 or V6) and take a wild guess which dealer gets the sale. Car sales are no longer about the enthusiast, they are about the average joe buying affordable cars in volume to support the brand/model so the enthusiasts can have what they want. No average joe support and the business model erodes and the model goes away. Simple economics, that's all.
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You are exactly right. A local Ford dealer has multiple base v6 2008 Mustangs available at $15,988 (MSRP $19,995). I don't care that it only has 210hp, it will get someone from point A to point B in a sporty ride. Take someone that is cross-shopping an entry point sports car and show them the base Mustang and a base Camaro with the pricing premium on the Camaro (Turbo4 or V6) and take a wild guess which dealer gets the sale. Car sales are no longer about the enthusiast, they are about the average joe buying affordable cars in volume to support the brand/model so the enthusiasts can have what they want. No average joe support and the business model erodes and the model goes away. Simple economics, that's all.
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I for one have faith in GM. They're a business after all and thus their primary goal at the end of the day is to make the largest profit possible. You do that by offering the best vehicle possible, so I wouldn't worry too terribly much. Even if they do offer a 4-banger entry-level option, so what? We'll all get the V6 or V8 and we'll have a lot of teenagers and mom's-in-mid-life-crisis driving around in the I4's. If anything we gain new "comrades" and keep these potential "ricers" from purchasing foreign cars.

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exactly what I was thinking, not sure why everyone's getting their little pink panties all in a bunch. If you don't want a 4-banger get a V6/V8, no one's holding a gun to your head saying you HAVE to buy the 4 cylinder!
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ROFL. That was great! Honestly guys, it could be worse, the new Camaro could have been a Daewoo or something. It's honestly not that bad, just a new interpretation of "American Muscle".
AMERICAN MUSCLE = V8 POWER

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I dont think I could make myself by the four cyl. car. If it came down to getting a four banger I wouldlnt even except the camaro. V6 is a big maybe.

If the car is is too over priced, i might break down and buy me a used ls2 gto
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WE CAN STILL BUY THE V8 SO EVERYBODY RELAX... its good to know that the v8 will get AFM hopefully this AFM will cover the charges from PREMIUM PRICING... ill pay a little more for the savings will go towards gas... and if the fuel systems shuts... it gives my dad more incentive to buy it for me hahaha
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The pricing comment really worries me. I'm really hoping to get a moderately equipped V8 for under 30k. If not, that may scrap my plans to get this car, barring a major increase in my earning potential :(
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I don't have a problem with the 4 cyl, if it brings more buyers. Othewise the 5th gen may not be long for production either. The "premium" price does concern me.

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AMERICAN MUSCLE = V8 POWER

enough said.
Seriously, the I-4 is a big deal because its here to stay. And that is an insult the the car's heritage. Yeah, they had I-4 engines in the 80's but they were out only for a couple of years.

If GM wants to appeal to the "younger" and "ricer" group, then they should have done a better job w/ marketing the Cobalt. Seriously.

And how much more does "premium" mean? At first they were saying that the Camaro's prices will compete w/ the Mustang, knowing that it will cost "a bit" more being the better quality but NOW they're screaming that the Camaro will sold as a "Premium" car??!

I don't like how the future is looking. The good thing though is that the V-8 will be more exclusive but that means WAY more money to pay! The way things look, I won't be able to afford the legendary V-8.
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Overlap it is helpful in the selling of cars...example if the high end Cobalt has the same engine as the low end Camaro then the progression from one Model to the next is fully covered without really hurting either.

I would caution everyone here to be patient, pricing, options and features are not set, therefore to become upset over the possibilities is lunacy.

Do you think Ford heard what Lutz said and is scrambling to come up with a suitable 4 Cylinder for the Mustang...not likely since they still don't have an answer to the Ecotec Series Engines. Besides this is all just lip service, it really means nothing.

The car must be a success and if that requires one of the engines to a 4 cylinder then so be it. Don't be surprised if some day you'll be able to get a Camaro Hybrid. Trust me regardless of the engine choices available you will not be disappointed.
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The pricing comment really worries me. I'm really hoping to get a moderately equipped V8 for under 30k. If not, that may scrap my plans to get this car, barring a major increase in my earning potential :(
That's what really bothers me as well. I don't care how I get the power, just as long as I get the power. I was expecting that the prices would be similar to the Mustang, but if they're expecting to jack them up quite a bit higher than the Stang, that's going to present a serious problem.
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Well, who knows what will happen. If GM cant bring an entry level camaro to the market that is spot on competitive with the mustang then history is bound to repeat itself. Price means way more to most in that segment than features ect........ Gm will be a mustang killer in performance for a few years and then fade off into the sunset again if they are not real careful with the price issue. The base car supports the GT/Z28 and thats just the way it is.

Sounds like to me somebody needs to give them a history lesson.

I get the distinct feeling that GM is trying to kill two birds with one stone and lumping part of the ricer crowd into this when its all so wrong. Get a cobal, focus, civic, ect.................
Mustangs and Camaros are not ricer cars for the majority although I have seen both butchered beyond recognition.
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really if you think about it at least the v-6 will have a little more torque cause it may have 260-hp but you have to wait for the turbo lag to wear off at launch to even get the power as well
There is NO turbo lag on that engine. It has a duel-scroll turbo that virtually eliminates turbo lag. It's actually a very powerful engine. Read up on it. Besides, they didn't say you couldn't get a 6 or 8!
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Even with the turbo I-4 gas mileage will still not be good. a 260hp motor in a (around) 3800 pound car?? That engines going to be working its ass off just to get the car moving.



also possibilty of hot girls getting the I-4 since a lot of women don't like to drive the v8's/ Hot girl + camaro = wife potential!!!
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4 Cyl Camaro...give me a f****** break!!

Bob Putz! Pull your head out! WTF, who wants a 4 cyclinder camaro? Is it going to come with a Berlinetta badge? Jesus, I've been life long Chevrolet Fanboy, and have been eager awaiting a new Camaro. But I seriously don't know if I can buy even an SS model knowing that there is a version of my bad ass car with a 4 cyl somewhere. I just think it waters down the essence of a Camaro. Hell even the V6 does that. Please, please rethink this.
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