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Old 03-19-2008, 04:52 PM   #76
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i have a feeling... when i talked to my cousin he said the ls3 will come in some trim in the new camaro... so im betting the ss will have the ls3, the base v8 will have the L76, and the z28 will be a handeling package

that means
SS LS3 Z28 susp Pack
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this is similar to dodge you can get the r/t with road and track package or just the r/t
this is similar to ford mustang cuz you can get a gt with shelby handeling package, or just a gt
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AMERICAN MUSCLE = V8 POWER

enough said.
Thats obviously your opinion, and that's good you feel that way; GM can know they have a 5th-gen V8 customer with you. For the practical minded folks out there such as myself, who are more interested in conserving fuel than burning it the 3.6 DI V6 has great potential (sounds like the only DI engine to be offered initially). As nice as I'm sure it is to have a RWD V8 performance car at an attainable price point (which regardless of what you think, is still what the Camaro will be, we need to pipe down a bit on the pricing hysteria) you're spending just that much more at the pump (and as was mentioned gas isn't getting any cheaper). And with what it sounds like we're going to be getting a more up-tuned L76 6.0 V8 as oppose to the Gen V V8 everyone's been talking about, I personally expect around the same fuel economy figures as the G8 sedan if slightly better, so 17-18 combined, which is OK but could be better. Until GM can bring us a V8 that cracks 21 or over combined I'm going with the 3.6 DI V6. It's a new day and a new era, we're not in the 60's or 70's anymore. Beyond that who's to say your V8 Camaro won't be replaced by a TT V6 by the end of this generation or the beginning of the next?? Oh, and if a 6 cylinder performance car sounds "weak" to you go and drive a 335i coupe then come back and continue spilling the same ol' blues.
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I see it this way i can afford a camaro with a turbo 4 in it. I also see that it will become popular with the drift croud.
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I don't think I can afford the V8 Camaro if the price tag is over 30k.

I would rather get an 06 GTO for UNDER 25k than getting a V6 Camaro for close to that price.

Hell, a 01' Firebird Convertible for under 11k sounds good and it has the V8 and the mpg for that is near the upcoming V6 Camaro...

I just won't settle for anything that doesn't have an American V-8
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damn if this car doesn't get the ls3 im going g8 gxp challenger or 370z
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a I4 with 260 hp...thats slightly more than my third gen!!! and im not a fan of 4 bangers, but like its been said, u dont want it, dont buy it, but the 16-year old girl whos dady is going to buy her a convertible brand new aint gonna care about the engine.....and alot of the f-bodies sales dont come from the v8 models, so the 4 banger doesnt really matter to us, it helps us!!! most the f-bodies i see arnt v8s, so who cares whether is a 4 or 6 in there....most people wont and they'll go to the 4 for milage!
this is a smart move as far as preserving and maintaining the Camaro
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I can tell you this: I WILL NOT BE BUYING A FREAKING 4 CYL TURBO!!!!!
I sold my POS jetta that had that stupid 4 cyl turbo.
No Thank You!!!
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a I4 with 260 hp...thats slightly more than my third gen!!! and im not a fan of 4 bangers, but like its been said, u dont want it, dont buy it, but the 16-year old girl whos dady is going to buy her a convertible brand new aint gonna care about the engine.....and alot of the f-bodies sales dont come from the v8 models, so the 4 banger doesnt really matter to us, it helps us!!! most the f-bodies i see arnt v8s, so who cares whether is a 4 or 6 in there....most people wont and they'll go to the 4 for milage!
this is a smart move as far as preserving and maintaining the Camaro
good point... this could help us out alottttt... im starting to see it that way... i should tell everyone to get a i4 turbo camaro so when i get the v8 maybe itll be cheaper and maybe ppl im racing will think i have the 4 cyl lol
but whats maintaing if the 6th gen is ALL 4cyls...
damn i ****ing hate the ****ing government and thier dumb a$$policies... people into geography know that only roughly 2% of all crude oil has even been tapped ... i hate AL GORE... and his damn inconvienent truth bull$#!+... i hate everybody i WANT MY LS3 or im not buying the car plain and simple... this is what makes me wonder about gm...damn CAFE everyone on the CAFE comittee probably drives 1963 454 belair's and 454 69 chevelles oooohhhhhhhhhh but lets not pollute ....damn im moving to mexico
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As long as they're still bringing out the V8 I'm good. And even if they drop that, which I doubt, I'll buy a V8 myself and put in the car.

I.

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a I4 with 260 hp...thats slightly more than my third gen!!! and im not a fan of 4 bangers, but like its been said, u dont want it, dont buy it, but the 16-year old girl whos dady is going to buy her a convertible brand new aint gonna care about the engine.....and alot of the f-bodies sales dont come from the v8 models, so the 4 banger doesnt really matter to us, it helps us!!! most the f-bodies i see arnt v8s, so who cares whether is a 4 or 6 in there....most people wont and they'll go to the 4 for milage!
this is a smart move as far as preserving and maintaining the Camaro
91t/a You hit the nail right on the head^^^^^^

You couldn't be more correct...this is the market the T4 will reach. And thats ok.

Plus there always the rental market...that this would fit ito also.

And over seas....so don't get your panties in a bind!

EVERYONE keep in mind...to keep the Camaro in the line up, GM has to proivde different models for different markets.

Also planning ahead for the CAFE rules and requirments!
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The pricing comment really worries me. I'm really hoping to get a moderately equipped V8 for under 30k. If not, that may scrap my plans to get this car, barring a major increase in my earning potential :(
You might have to go with a used Camaro in a couple of years.

The 2002 SS Hardtop, was just under $30,000 so the new car will be more than that.
Price a Pontiac G8 with a V8 and see what you come up with...I think you'll find it's more than $30,000...same platform as the new Camaro. The Impala SS is also in that 30k range as well.

Earning Potential...that term confuses me, it sounds like something arbitrary that some boss has assigned to you...I would not accept it.
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This is how i see it

economy camaro: 4 banger
Basline camaro: V-6
SS/Z-28: LS2 and don't deny it he said 400 hp V-8 WITH A CUTOFF

...wow we sure have a mustang fighter on our hands...
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Perhaps all you old timers have forgotten, and you young whippersnappers don't know this, but in 1982-86 the 3rd gen Camaro had a 4 cylinder engine standard. The late unlamented Iron Duke. Yes it was awful but there is a precedent for it. I'm more concerned about this damn AFM system. Why can't we just have the 402 hp 6.2 as announced for the G8 GXP? You would think economies of scale would make this engine the way to go. I don't plan on having my '10 SS on "cruising mode" a great deal of the time. And why detune the CTS 3.6? It's not like the CTS and Camaro buyers will be cross shopping. Just my 2 cents
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I am sure all of this has been covered since I have only read the first 2 pages of the thread so far and most of what I am saying has been said. I am at work and it is sometimes hard for me to read to much of this at once.

The big one I have not seen mentioned is "this will not be a heavy car" the fact that they are bringing focus on this is a big positive.

The I4 from what I understand would be the low version of the car instead of a low end V6 this will help spread the cost of the car and help them hit sales goals. I am not sure why the V6 would have only 260 horses that seem strange to me since Ed Wagner had said 300 about a week ago. You can all still get your 400hp V8 don't worry actually this helps them make those cars under CAFE.

As far as a premium, in car speak if you are charging a premium to a competitor that is like 10% so if the mustang GT with the V8 is 26,500 he is suggesting 29,000 higher than I had hoped but if as he is suggesting I do not need as many options I am ok with a starting price in that range. He is not saying something like 35,000 for the "main or base" V8 because then is would not be direct competition to the GT.

As long as they are providing more options with the I4 and not taking away the V8, delivering a car that is not heavy, and reasonably priced including things as standard that most people would have bought as options anyway. I think it is great.
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Times are changing. If you expected to never see a 4banger Camaro again, you were fooling yourself, frankly.

I stress to you: Do not underestimate this car simply because it will include a 4 cyllinder engine in it's lineup.

The V6, and the V8 will MORE than meet the needs of everyone here. And they will be prices close the the stang's version of such models. so a 300hp V6 for ~22-23k. Are you really gonna complain about that? Really? Why worry about a 4 cyllinder edition that you wouldn't buy anyways?

The inclusion of an I4 does NOT diminish the car's muscle/pony/sports car status. If anything, it enhances it. No, hear me out: What other sports car (of the three) could appeal to those who want a 4? None. This is a step up on the competition as much as it is a step down in some of your minds. It will assist the Camaro's sales, so that you and I can have our V8's.

There is much more to be gained by this revelation that not.

Please, don't worry. This is one of those times where you are really tested in your ability to keep the faith. From all the way up to Rick Wagoner, people in GM are as excited as us about this car. They WILL NOT fail us.
i tell you brother for a young guy, you sure know how to make a good point!!!!

and i agree with you totally. if there is a 4 banger, its allgravy. im not going to buy it. there will be a v8 and thats what i get. i bet they get more customers going this route.

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And why detune the CTS 3.6? It's not like the CTS and Camaro buyers will be cross shopping. Just my 2 cents
Thank you! I don't get that bit at all. Hopefully that's not something that came directly out of Lutz's mouth but a figure they came up with to have something else to "spice up".
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Man you guys are gonna get some much **** from the cobalt guys cause they're gonna beat the **** out of a 4 banger maro and if ANYONE was worried about selling cars it's chrystler they NEED it right now and they didn't make a 4 banger challenger.
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Man you guys are gonna get some much **** from the cobalt guys cause they're gonna beat the **** out of a 4 banger maro and if ANYONE was worried about selling cars it's chrystler they NEED it right now and they didn't make a 4 banger challenger.
Dude, pipe down a little bit. This IS a Camaro forum.

And all the V6 bashers that basically hold the V6 Stang mentality; keep hating, because the experience i had in the new CTS w/ the 3.6 was nothing short of amazing and I enjoyed every last second behind the wheel of that car w/ that engine.
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Meh, I'm not buying the 4cyl or the image that the camaro is better than anything on the street... If some cobalt guy gives me shit about camaros having a 4 cyl then ill just ask him to meet me at the track and let the cars do the talking. Care less about the "image" that some of you are so stuck on. Its a friggin car.

RUN WHAT YOU BRUNG, and you only have yourself to blame if you buy a 4cyl.

I can see it being popular, just like the V6's. Especially with gas prices.
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Either way the point is I think I agree with whom ever said that putting a 4 cylinder engine in a Camaro is an insult. On one hand you guys and FBodFather talk about tradition and joy of owning a Camaro..... well that all just went down the drain. How proud could you possibly be of having a 4 cylinder 'muscle car'?

What happened to the rumbling tradition of the good ole regular V8 or V6 engine?

A lot of you point out the potential of 4 and 6 cylinder engines.... I agree, but then why wouldn't a go buy my self a schnazzy car that is meant to have a 4 cylinder. This is like the ricer thing....trying to be a Camaro...that really isnt.

I mean are you joking me with all this. And whats the premium pricing all of a sudden? What happened to competitive. I think everyone agrees that paying more for the Camaro is viable given its a better product....but the idea is to be 'competitive' not premium...... I think it's about time the Fbodfather chime in and clear things up? It would me much appreciated.

The sad part about this is..... I think all of its actually true and it really will define the future of cars in general let alone muscle cars.

I suppose im done "having the faith'..... another couple months if there is no real concrete info I think im just gunna have to buy a base line vette or more likely a mustang gt or saleen i guess. I mean i dont wanna pay 40 grand plus for a 400 horse Camaro.

Its a sad day today.
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Yea, i dont know what the big deal is.
Remember that the base (small engine) is the highest seller. They are just trying to offer a more fuel effecient option. The people that buy those arent buying it for extreme performance.

Its also good to hear about the 50/50 weight distribution (for the V6). This means the V8 will be pretty close to that.
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Dude, pipe down a little bit. This IS a Camaro forum.
i'm just saying that if you think about it you guys spent 25,000+ on a T4 camaro or you could get a T4 cobalt for 20,000- and the camaro does have a good weight distrabution but the thing is the cobalt is a lot smaller. and everyone that gets a T4 balt and the ricer people will brag about how they beat a camaro. AND I ABSOLUTLY HATE HEARING THIS CRAP. i love the camaro its just whats gonna happen
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Drive a 5th-gen 4 cylinder Camaro then bitch...
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Man you guys are gonna get some much **** from the cobalt guys cause they're gonna beat the **** out of a 4 banger maro and if ANYONE was worried about selling cars it's chrystler they NEED it right now and they didn't make a 4 banger challenger.
lol

I think what is pissing people off is the BASE price of the v-8. I'm pretty sure everyone's had it in their mind that it WILL be under 30k but this "Premium" crap is pissing everyone off.

GM, JUST LIE TO US. I WAS HAPPIER BELIEVING I WOULD BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT!!!!!
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Drive a 5th-gen 4 cylinder Camaro then bitch...
you must have mis understood me i meant i hate hearing people brag about how they beat a camaro with their ricer pos when in all actuality they just beat the "lower" end version
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