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Old 03-19-2008, 05:45 PM   #69
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Overlap it is helpful in the selling of cars...example if the high end Cobalt has the same engine as the low end Camaro then the progression from one Model to the next is fully covered without really hurting either.

I would caution everyone here to be patient, pricing, options and features are not set, therefore to become upset over the possibilities is lunacy.

Do you think Ford heard what Lutz said and is scrambling to come up with a suitable 4 Cylinder for the Mustang...not likely since they still don't have an answer to the Ecotec Series Engines. Besides this is all just lip service, it really means nothing.

The car must be a success and if that requires one of the engines to a 4 cylinder then so be it. Don't be surprised if some day you'll be able to get a Camaro Hybrid. Trust me regardless of the engine choices available you will not be disappointed.
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The pricing comment really worries me. I'm really hoping to get a moderately equipped V8 for under 30k. If not, that may scrap my plans to get this car, barring a major increase in my earning potential :(
That's what really bothers me as well. I don't care how I get the power, just as long as I get the power. I was expecting that the prices would be similar to the Mustang, but if they're expecting to jack them up quite a bit higher than the Stang, that's going to present a serious problem.
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Old 03-19-2008, 05:46 PM   #71
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Alright everyone, say it with me.

I.....WILL....KEEP....THE....FAITH

Now, don't you all feel better?
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Well, who knows what will happen. If GM cant bring an entry level camaro to the market that is spot on competitive with the mustang then history is bound to repeat itself. Price means way more to most in that segment than features ect........ Gm will be a mustang killer in performance for a few years and then fade off into the sunset again if they are not real careful with the price issue. The base car supports the GT/Z28 and thats just the way it is.

Sounds like to me somebody needs to give them a history lesson.

I get the distinct feeling that GM is trying to kill two birds with one stone and lumping part of the ricer crowd into this when its all so wrong. Get a cobal, focus, civic, ect.................
Mustangs and Camaros are not ricer cars for the majority although I have seen both butchered beyond recognition.
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really if you think about it at least the v-6 will have a little more torque cause it may have 260-hp but you have to wait for the turbo lag to wear off at launch to even get the power as well
There is NO turbo lag on that engine. It has a duel-scroll turbo that virtually eliminates turbo lag. It's actually a very powerful engine. Read up on it. Besides, they didn't say you couldn't get a 6 or 8!
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Even with the turbo I-4 gas mileage will still not be good. a 260hp motor in a (around) 3800 pound car?? That engines going to be working its ass off just to get the car moving.



also possibilty of hot girls getting the I-4 since a lot of women don't like to drive the v8's/ Hot girl + camaro = wife potential!!!
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Old 03-19-2008, 05:52 PM   #75
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4 Cyl Camaro...give me a f****** break!!

Bob Putz! Pull your head out! WTF, who wants a 4 cyclinder camaro? Is it going to come with a Berlinetta badge? Jesus, I've been life long Chevrolet Fanboy, and have been eager awaiting a new Camaro. But I seriously don't know if I can buy even an SS model knowing that there is a version of my bad ass car with a 4 cyl somewhere. I just think it waters down the essence of a Camaro. Hell even the V6 does that. Please, please rethink this.
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i have a feeling... when i talked to my cousin he said the ls3 will come in some trim in the new camaro... so im betting the ss will have the ls3, the base v8 will have the L76, and the z28 will be a handeling package

that means
SS LS3 Z28 susp Pack
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Z28 L76 has susp pack
BASE L76
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I-4 TURBO.

this is similar to dodge you can get the r/t with road and track package or just the r/t
this is similar to ford mustang cuz you can get a gt with shelby handeling package, or just a gt
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AMERICAN MUSCLE = V8 POWER

enough said.
Thats obviously your opinion, and that's good you feel that way; GM can know they have a 5th-gen V8 customer with you. For the practical minded folks out there such as myself, who are more interested in conserving fuel than burning it the 3.6 DI V6 has great potential (sounds like the only DI engine to be offered initially). As nice as I'm sure it is to have a RWD V8 performance car at an attainable price point (which regardless of what you think, is still what the Camaro will be, we need to pipe down a bit on the pricing hysteria) you're spending just that much more at the pump (and as was mentioned gas isn't getting any cheaper). And with what it sounds like we're going to be getting a more up-tuned L76 6.0 V8 as oppose to the Gen V V8 everyone's been talking about, I personally expect around the same fuel economy figures as the G8 sedan if slightly better, so 17-18 combined, which is OK but could be better. Until GM can bring us a V8 that cracks 21 or over combined I'm going with the 3.6 DI V6. It's a new day and a new era, we're not in the 60's or 70's anymore. Beyond that who's to say your V8 Camaro won't be replaced by a TT V6 by the end of this generation or the beginning of the next?? Oh, and if a 6 cylinder performance car sounds "weak" to you go and drive a 335i coupe then come back and continue spilling the same ol' blues.
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I see it this way i can afford a camaro with a turbo 4 in it. I also see that it will become popular with the drift croud.
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Old 03-19-2008, 05:58 PM   #79
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I don't think I can afford the V8 Camaro if the price tag is over 30k.

I would rather get an 06 GTO for UNDER 25k than getting a V6 Camaro for close to that price.

Hell, a 01' Firebird Convertible for under 11k sounds good and it has the V8 and the mpg for that is near the upcoming V6 Camaro...

I just won't settle for anything that doesn't have an American V-8
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damn if this car doesn't get the ls3 im going g8 gxp challenger or 370z
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a I4 with 260 hp...thats slightly more than my third gen!!! and im not a fan of 4 bangers, but like its been said, u dont want it, dont buy it, but the 16-year old girl whos dady is going to buy her a convertible brand new aint gonna care about the engine.....and alot of the f-bodies sales dont come from the v8 models, so the 4 banger doesnt really matter to us, it helps us!!! most the f-bodies i see arnt v8s, so who cares whether is a 4 or 6 in there....most people wont and they'll go to the 4 for milage!
this is a smart move as far as preserving and maintaining the Camaro
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I can tell you this: I WILL NOT BE BUYING A FREAKING 4 CYL TURBO!!!!!
I sold my POS jetta that had that stupid 4 cyl turbo.
No Thank You!!!
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a I4 with 260 hp...thats slightly more than my third gen!!! and im not a fan of 4 bangers, but like its been said, u dont want it, dont buy it, but the 16-year old girl whos dady is going to buy her a convertible brand new aint gonna care about the engine.....and alot of the f-bodies sales dont come from the v8 models, so the 4 banger doesnt really matter to us, it helps us!!! most the f-bodies i see arnt v8s, so who cares whether is a 4 or 6 in there....most people wont and they'll go to the 4 for milage!
this is a smart move as far as preserving and maintaining the Camaro
good point... this could help us out alottttt... im starting to see it that way... i should tell everyone to get a i4 turbo camaro so when i get the v8 maybe itll be cheaper and maybe ppl im racing will think i have the 4 cyl lol
but whats maintaing if the 6th gen is ALL 4cyls...
damn i ****ing hate the ****ing government and thier dumb a$$policies... people into geography know that only roughly 2% of all crude oil has even been tapped ... i hate AL GORE... and his damn inconvienent truth bull$#!+... i hate everybody i WANT MY LS3 or im not buying the car plain and simple... this is what makes me wonder about gm...damn CAFE everyone on the CAFE comittee probably drives 1963 454 belair's and 454 69 chevelles oooohhhhhhhhhh but lets not pollute ....damn im moving to mexico
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As long as they're still bringing out the V8 I'm good. And even if they drop that, which I doubt, I'll buy a V8 myself and put in the car.

I.

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My.

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a I4 with 260 hp...thats slightly more than my third gen!!! and im not a fan of 4 bangers, but like its been said, u dont want it, dont buy it, but the 16-year old girl whos dady is going to buy her a convertible brand new aint gonna care about the engine.....and alot of the f-bodies sales dont come from the v8 models, so the 4 banger doesnt really matter to us, it helps us!!! most the f-bodies i see arnt v8s, so who cares whether is a 4 or 6 in there....most people wont and they'll go to the 4 for milage!
this is a smart move as far as preserving and maintaining the Camaro
91t/a You hit the nail right on the head^^^^^^

You couldn't be more correct...this is the market the T4 will reach. And thats ok.

Plus there always the rental market...that this would fit ito also.

And over seas....so don't get your panties in a bind!

EVERYONE keep in mind...to keep the Camaro in the line up, GM has to proivde different models for different markets.

Also planning ahead for the CAFE rules and requirments!
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