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Old 03-19-2008, 07:29 PM   #120
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awesome news... since i may have to wait an extra year or two... i'll hope they come out with a real GT500 destroyer shortly after
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Old 03-19-2008, 07:29 PM   #121
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I'm all for selling more Camaros. I understand economics, business, etc. If the I4 got 45 mpg, the v6 got 28 mph and the v8 got let's say 18mpg, I could completely understand the business case. Additionally, if the I4 Camaro was $18,000, the v6 Camaro was $23,000 and the base v8 was $28,000, again I could understand the business case.

There are problems with both of the above, the fuel economy on the I4 (as noted in 1 or maybe 2 previous posts) is not that much better than the v6. I'm guessing on the second one because we have no knowledge on price, but I don't see the I4 undercutting the v6 that much by price.

And that's why I want to hurl when they mention putting a 4 cylinder in the new Camaro. Yes, I do remember the Iron Dukes. And yes I know the turbo 4 only makes 15 hp less than my LT1 so I know it's a hot little motor. I like that motor in the Cobalt, HHR, Solstice etc. It just doesn't work for me in a Camaro. Just my opinion.
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Old 03-19-2008, 07:29 PM   #122
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I second that remark. If the base model is priced low enough. It would be the a steal!!! I would love to have a low priced RWD sports car with the great looks of a Camaro.

What do you think about.....
$24k 4 cylinder turbo_____260hp
$32k DI V6_____________306hp
$40k V8________________400hp
$50k Supercharged V8____500hp
I prefer.....
$24k 4 cylinder turbo____260hp > FE1 suspension, 5spd Auto or Manual
$28k DI V6_____________306hp > FE1 suspension, FE3 optional, 6spd auto or manual
$31k V8_______________430hp > FE3 suspension, 6spd auto or manual, better brakes
$42k Supercharged V8____550hp >FE5 Suspension, 6spd manual, Brembo(iron or carbon) brakes
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Old 03-19-2008, 07:34 PM   #123
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You guys are rediculous. Has everyone forgot about the 4 cylinder camaro's of the 80's. It didn't disgrace the car's rep then, why will it now. In the 80's we were getting over the gas crunch and the ecomony sucked (just like today) and the I4 only lasted a few years. I think a 4 is a great idea. It will help with the fleet mpg's and lower the price for non-enthusiasts. WE ARE STILL GETTING THE V8, whats the big deal. Yeah, maybe ricers will buy the I-4 turbo, but that means more sales insuring the future of the camaro. The more people this car appeals to the better. The camaro has to adapt and evolve to survive. Let's not forget that the car went on hiautus because it didn't evolve. All of you that are upset that the camaro can be offered with a 4 are obsured. Go buy a turbo cobalt and get jelous when I blow past in my V8 fifth gen.
Completely agree, not only that but the I4 will get alot more people to buy camaro and that way GM won't cut production again.
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Old 03-19-2008, 07:35 PM   #124
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I second that remark. If the base model is priced low enough. It would be the a steal!!! I would love to have a low priced RWD sports car with the great looks of a Camaro.

What do you think about.....
$24k 4 cylinder turbo_____260hp
$32k DI V6_____________306hp
$40k V8________________400hp
$50k Supercharged V8____500hp
Try this on .. its more likely the closer to the real thing..

$19k 4 cylinder turbo_____260hp
$24k DI V6_____________306hp
$32k V8________________400hp
$40k Supercharged V8____500hp
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Old 03-19-2008, 07:37 PM   #125
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Try this on .. its more likely the closer to the real thing..

$19k 4 cylinder turbo_____260hp
$24k DI V6_____________306hp
$32k V8________________400hp
$40k Supercharged V8____500hp
That would make sense. And then I wouldn't complain about a 4 cylinder.
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Old 03-19-2008, 07:39 PM   #126
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Just my two cents--to me, it doesn't matter if the engine is a four-cylinder or a V8. It's still a Camaro, and I plan on buying what I can afford regardless. I've never owned a Camaro, and I will buy a fifth gen. (Always wanted one, just never had the chance.)
To me, that's what matters--that GM is trying to return a classic car to production, which will hopefully be a quality product that will be in production for years to come.
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Old 03-19-2008, 07:40 PM   #127
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Last week I was under the impression that the Camaro will be priced with the Mustang, that the V6 will have 300hp, that a turbo was going into the cobalt. Today I find the Camaro will cost more, excuse me, will be at a premium compared to the Mustang, the V6 just lost 40hp, and the turbo has entered the Camaro.

What next? Dare I say it???????????????


PREPO HEADLIGHTS ARE STAYING???????????
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Old 03-19-2008, 07:44 PM   #128
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What do you think about.....
$24k 4 cylinder turbo_____260hp
$32k DI V6_____________306hp
$40k V8________________400hp
$50k Supercharged V8____500hp
I prefer:

$21.5 K 4-cyl turbo
$24 K DI V6
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Old 03-19-2008, 07:46 PM   #129
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Try this on .. its more likely the closer to the real thing..

$19k 4 cylinder turbo_____260hp
$24k DI V6_____________306hp
$32k V8________________400hp
$40k Supercharged V8____500hp

I see what you're saying.
What confuses me is.....the Dodge Challenger is 40,095 MSRP and the
Pontiac G8 is 29,995 MSRP. (who knows what the G8 GXP will cost)
So, will Chevy price the V8 Camaro closer to the Challenger or closer to the G8??

All other model prices will fall in line based on this.

By the way.... this thread has been
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Old 03-19-2008, 07:47 PM   #130
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I'm going to try to say this nicely, and all though I haven't been here for a considerably long time I would like to tell/ask all you new members with below like 10 posts to get some respect. We don't need a "rice" burner thread (notice the play on words). GET OVER IT! It is so disrespectful and unappealing from people that actually consider themselves AUTOMOTIVE enthusiasts. It's getting extremely old, not everyone can afford a v8. Also if GM was smart they would try to get a part of the import crowd, you know, anything to up sales. And last but deffinitely not least. IF you plan on buying the v8, please take a nice dose of shut up lol, your not buying it so it doesn't effect you
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Old 03-19-2008, 07:47 PM   #131
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As long as they're still bringing out the V8 I'm good. And even if they drop that, which I doubt, I'll buy a V8 myself and put in the car.

I.

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Thats a good point. buy the I4, save gas money, then drop in a crate LS7.
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Old 03-19-2008, 07:52 PM   #132
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damit if ur gona make it a 4 cylinder dont call it a camaro. bring back the vega. and for those that dont know what the vega was its basicly camaro with a hatch and a 4 cylinder.
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I havn't lost ALL my faith but the car's name has lost some credibility.

Times change.
No the name has not lost any credibility, if anything it gains some
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I4 base engine.

Look at history - the I4 was used as the base engine in the camaro after the new CAFE standards in the 70's because GM couldn't bring a v6 to high enough fuel economy (and possibly more importantly, emissions) - it was done temporarily, and, if you didn't notice, by the time the third gen's ended there was no more I4. I highly doubt this will be a permanent move. If it's done, it will only be for a few years, I'm sure.

As for pricing, it really concerns me as well. Looking at the statistics, I think the major factors for the low sales that caused Camaro's cancellation in the first place were A) Visual Appeal, B) The fact that the mustang was out first, so it had a large fanbase before the camaro was even produced (there are a lot of people who like mustangs just because their parents do, or their grandparents had one, etc.), and C) Camaros have always been a little bit pricier than mustangs. I think they've fixed problem A, problem B is just something they'll get used to, and sell less camaros than ford sells stangs, but problem C I think was a lot more important than it seems GM realizes. The pony car market has been a cheap, entry level performance car market since the mustang came out. The buyers in that market are usually looking for price, and I'm here to say that even just 2000 dollars tacked onto a 20000 bill goes a long way after interest, especially when you're young and don't have a good credit score. If I buy one of the new camaros (if I have the money to do it - heh!) I'll probably get a v6 for that very reason - I'm 19, a freshman in college, and I would have serious problems affording the car payment on a v8. And when 2000 dollars comes to almost 50 dollars a month - it really does make a difference. Its one of the reasons I'm considering just taking out a bank loan to finance an LS1 swap into my 86.

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2.0 turbo??? are you kidding me. thats is rediculous. that is definately NOT what the camaro nor any MUSCLE car stands for. i cant believe they would even consider it. i dont care how bad gas prices are. you would never see the corvette do that or even a v6(now).

and whats up with the 6.0?? i thought they cleared that up and said they meant to say 6.2???? im confused?!?!?!?!
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+1 kyle

i for one i'm going to get a V8, but i drive a four banger right now. hell, i work 40 miles one way from my house. i need good fuel economy. so the V8 will be the weekend car. if the four banger camaro is good on gas i might just get one for my daily driver. so that would be two camaro sales, which is double the amount i was thinking of buying.
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