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Old 03-19-2008, 05:34 PM   #99
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Man you guys are gonna get some much **** from the cobalt guys cause they're gonna beat the **** out of a 4 banger maro and if ANYONE was worried about selling cars it's chrystler they NEED it right now and they didn't make a 4 banger challenger.
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I think what is pissing people off is the BASE price of the v-8. I'm pretty sure everyone's had it in their mind that it WILL be under 30k but this "Premium" crap is pissing everyone off.

GM, JUST LIE TO US. I WAS HAPPIER BELIEVING I WOULD BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT!!!!!
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Old 03-19-2008, 05:36 PM   #100
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Drive a 5th-gen 4 cylinder Camaro then bitch...
you must have mis understood me i meant i hate hearing people brag about how they beat a camaro with their ricer pos when in all actuality they just beat the "lower" end version
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They are putting out the 4 cyl so we can have the V8. Make sense?
They are gonna sell those to people so the camaro even can stay around.

The word PREMIUM doesnt mean anything.
So what, they used the wrong word
He is just saying it will cost more than the mustang but you will get more for it.
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Old 03-19-2008, 05:40 PM   #102
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Either way the point is I think I agree with whom ever said that putting a 4 cylinder engine in a Camaro is an insult. On one hand you guys and FBodFather talk about tradition and joy of owning a Camaro..... well that all just went down the drain. How proud could you possibly be of having a 4 cylinder 'muscle car'?

What happened to the rumbling tradition of the good ole regular V8 or V6 engine?

A lot of you point out the potential of 4 and 6 cylinder engines.... I agree, but then why wouldn't a go buy my self a schnazzy car that is meant to have a 4 cylinder. This is like the ricer thing....trying to be a Camaro...that really isnt.

I mean are you joking me with all this. And whats the premium pricing all of a sudden? What happened to competitive. I think everyone agrees that paying more for the Camaro is viable given its a better product....but the idea is to be 'competitive' not premium...... I think it's about time the Fbodfather chime in and clear things up? It would me much appreciated.

The sad part about this is..... I think all of its actually true and it really will define the future of cars in general let alone muscle cars.

I suppose im done "having the faith'..... another couple months if there is no real concrete info I think im just gunna have to buy a base line vette or more likely a mustang gt or saleen i guess. I mean i dont wanna pay 40 grand plus for a 400 horse Camaro.

Its a sad day today.
This pretty much sums up what I think as well. Lets just cross our fingers and hope that Lutz is a blabbering douche. I havn't lost ALL my faith but the car's name has lost some credibility.

Times change.
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Old 03-19-2008, 05:41 PM   #103
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I'd love to have a 4 cyl turbo Camaro. Please build it!!!!!

I'd buy one! I don't mind if it's the base model.
It would look great next to my suburban.
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Old 03-19-2008, 05:41 PM   #104
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Okay, now that Bob Lutz has opened this can of worms on everyone, we need fbodfather to clearify some things RIGHT NOW, before people start jumping off bridges:

The price thing scares me, Scott..... why is Bob talking premium content over Mustang? There are MANY features you might throw on to the Camaro as standard equipment that you may think we want to be "premuim" that most of us could care less about. I LOVE the fact you are going to make the interior higher quality, but let people choose if they want 500 color gauges or twin bun warmers. Don't make that stuff standard just to boost the sticker price and hence consider the car "preeeeeeemium (in a snobish voice with my nose turned up)". It's a Camaro, not a Cadillac.

If you are considering the turbo'd 4, which coincidentally has 260 hp, and the DI'd 3.6 tuned down to 260 hp, why on earth would anyone consider the 4? The difference in fuel economy will be negligable at best. Unless you have some true raw data from tests that show the turbo 4 getting at least 5 mpg better overall than the 3.6, there is no reason to opt for the turbo 4. I'll buy a Sky Redline if I want that engine, thank you.

Please Scott, elaborate on what Mr. Lutz seems to have opened up.

I don't know if it's bad or good. Help us out here.
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The price thing scares me, Scott..... why is Bob talking premium content over Mustang? There are MANY features you might throw on to the Camaro as standard equipment that you may think we want to be "premuim" that most of us could care less about. I LOVE the fact you are going to make the interior higher quality, but let people choose if they want 500 color gauges or twin bun warmers.
On a similar note, I want to know how GM is going to take the "premium" argument to market in light of the new Hyundai Genesis Coupe. The thing has a very nice interior (at least based on the photo) a 306hp V6 that will undercut the V8 Camaro to say nothing of the V6, and will have something like 8 months lead in the market.

The Mustang is heading for an overhaul too, and the rumblings I'm hearing have a significant interior upgrade as part of that mid-life enhancement. It's not like the competition is sitting still.
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Lutz is a blabbering douche.
He kind of comes across that way. Especially after the whole "global warming is a crock of sh@t" comment he made that later Rick Wagoner glossed over and said "that's the opinion of our vice chairman, not GM". I think when you're Lutz's age talking is something you do a lot of (with respect I say that).
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Some of you guys are sad. WAKE UP!!!! GAS WILL BE AT $4.00 A GAL!!!! A t4 or a v6 camaro is not the end of the world you are still getting a v8
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First off, don't sell that little 2.0L turbo engine short. I would never buy one, but it's still 260HP! That's a lot of power, guys. I've been impressed by stock Solstice's, they are pretty quick.

What I found most interesting about this article is that they are scrapping plans for a "low-priced, entry-level Camaro". I think this is good news, as it will further distance the new Camaro from the stigma of being a cheap car. GM may sell a few less Camaro's, but the integrity of the model being higher quality than the competition will be protected. It's all part of the plan to make people realize this is a completely NEW and much more refined Camaro. I think GM is doing the Camaro fan a huge favor by making the car a little more appealing to the core fan base (us!), even if they are limiting its appeal to other demographics a little.

Thankfully, I don't foresee many elderly people driving Camaro's. Wish I could say the same for Mustangs. :(
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There is NO WAY the 3.6 DI V6 will have 260 if that's what the ECOTECH will have. 300+ I'm in.
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Old 03-19-2008, 06:00 PM   #110
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Some of you guys are sad. WAKE UP!!!! GAS WILL BE AT $4.00 A GAL!!!! A t4 or a v6 camaro is not the end of the world you are still getting a v8
Sanity at last....

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Either way the point is I think I agree with whom ever said that putting a 4 cylinder engine in a Camaro is an insult. On one hand you guys and FBodFather talk about tradition and joy of owning a Camaro..... well that all just went down the drain. How proud could you possibly be of having a 4 cylinder 'muscle car'?

What happened to the rumbling tradition of the good ole regular V8 or V6 engine?

A lot of you point out the potential of 4 and 6 cylinder engines.... I agree, but then why wouldn't a go buy my self a schnazzy car that is meant to have a 4 cylinder. This is like the ricer thing....trying to be a Camaro...that really isnt.

I mean are you joking me with all this. And whats the premium pricing all of a sudden? What happened to competitive. I think everyone agrees that paying more for the Camaro is viable given its a better product....but the idea is to be 'competitive' not premium...... I think it's about time the Fbodfather chime in and clear things up? It would me much appreciated.

The sad part about this is..... I think all of its actually true and it really will define the future of cars in general let alone muscle cars.

I suppose im done "having the faith'..... another couple months if there is no real concrete info I think im just gunna have to buy a base line vette or more likely a mustang gt or saleen i guess. I mean i dont wanna pay 40 grand plus for a 400 horse Camaro.

Its a sad day today.
Uh Ive always said i could care less about tradition.. again I don't care if they throw in a 2 cyl in it.. I won't buy it. I will just get my V8 and keep telling people to put the car to the track to backup their claims. Its like owning a V6 mustang and bragging about the GT500... Your just mentally 5 with the "who's better" unless your driving it.

And on the price sky is falling side of it... They will price it competivly with the mustang. Period. Nobody ever said it would be less... but lets not exagerate to serveral to multiple thousands of $.

Freak when you get the offical prices until then its just panic on anyones part..
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There is NJ WAY the 3.6 DI V6 will have 260 if that's what the ECOTECH will have. 300+ I'm in.
Yeah, I'm confused..... according to the article, the V6 used will be a detuned version of the DI'd 3.6 in the CTS. But why detune the DI'd 3.6 when they can just use the non-DI'd 3.6 and get the same horsepower?

Jesus Bob!!!!! You've really thrown us a curveball here!!!!!!
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Times are changing. If you expected to never see a 4banger Camaro again, you were fooling yourself, frankly.

I stress to you: Do not underestimate this car simply because it will include a 4 cyllinder engine in it's lineup.

The V6, and the V8 will MORE than meet the needs of everyone here. And they will be prices close the the stang's version of such models. so a 300hp V6 for ~22-23k. Are you really gonna complain about that? Really? Why worry about a 4 cyllinder edition that you wouldn't buy anyways?

The inclusion of an I4 does NOT diminish the car's muscle/pony/sports car status. If anything, it enhances it. No, hear me out: What other sports car (of the three) could appeal to those who want a 4? None. This is a step up on the competition as much as it is a step down in some of your minds. It will assist the Camaro's sales, so that you and I can have our V8's.

There is much more to be gained by this revelation that not.

Please, don't worry. This is one of those times where you are really tested in your ability to keep the faith. From all the way up to Rick Wagoner, people in GM are as excited as us about this car. They WILL NOT fail us.
I agree. not at all does this make the camaro any less of a muscle car. This way, when people buy more of the 4 and 6 cylinder versions to save gas, there will be more V8's availible for those who dont care about gas and want raw horsepower. Let them put a 4 in it. Just means more V8s for me.
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