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Old 11-13-2013, 08:44 PM   #26
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Old 11-13-2013, 08:45 PM   #27
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Old 11-13-2013, 08:59 PM   #28
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Well now that's a drag... especially those using their holiday "bonuses" and pay to put a down payment on one. GM shoulda took over the NUMMI plant here in Fremont. Could crank out 1LEs and ZL1s all year long!
I think Tesla is using the old NUMMI plant.

Why can't GM ship the ZL1s and 1LEs with a temp set of cheap tires and rims and have the dealers install the Goodyears. I can see some potential lost sales b/c of the delay in production.
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Old 11-13-2013, 09:28 PM   #29
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Hmmm, I'm ok with this if my car is affected. I placed my order in late Oct and says I'm queued for production. Would rather it not be built and not have to pay for it than have it sit in my garage and I just make car payments for tire flatspots.
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Old 11-13-2013, 09:31 PM   #30
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I think Tesla is using the old NUMMI plant.

Why can't GM ship the ZL1s and 1LEs with a temp set of cheap tires and rims and have the dealers install the Goodyears. I can see some potential lost sales b/c of the delay in production.
Tesla owns the nummi plant.

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Old 11-13-2013, 10:15 PM   #31
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That will help keep production #'s down.
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Old 11-14-2013, 03:13 AM   #32
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Old 11-14-2013, 05:30 AM   #33
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Time to move those factories down south. No unions and warm weather
The engine and transmission are made down south, why not the rest of the car. I think it says right on window sticker? "Made in Mexico".

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Old 11-14-2013, 06:24 AM   #34
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The engine and transmission are made down south, why not the rest of the car. I think it says right on window sticker? "Made in Mexico".

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Old 11-14-2013, 06:34 AM   #35
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Everyone always forgets the fine print about where GM can (paraphrasing) modify/offer/rescind offers, etc. of any model, option or car line at any time without notice. They chose to make a notice and they chose to do what's best for them. Deal with it or don't.

If you don't like it. Fine. You don't like it. The decision wasn't yours anyway. But nowhere I'm aware of is there a law that says GM has to sell ZL1s or 1LEs in the winter months.
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Old 11-14-2013, 07:46 AM   #36
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Old 11-14-2013, 08:19 AM   #37
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I don't see why they can't just cover the tires somehow.
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Old 11-14-2013, 08:33 AM   #38
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1) Yep keep numbers down
2) Goodyears are better tires than Michelins - that is why they keep using them
3) None on lots around here - order
4) Worth the wait - FOR SURE
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Old 11-14-2013, 09:09 AM   #39
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Makes sense. I'm surprised they haven't done this before, since the tires have been on the ZL1 since 2012. Why build, and store cars that have potential for tire damage below 20 degrees?
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Old 11-14-2013, 09:11 AM   #40
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Thankfully, we have 3 Camaro allocations today and I can order all of them 1LE or ZL1. I plan on doing 2 1LEs and 1 ZL1.
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Old 11-14-2013, 11:08 AM   #41
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Actually they already made the decision to move production for the next generation to Lansing, MI. They will still have the cold weather issues unfortunately but these models are such a small part of production and it's such a short period it's not considered I suspect. Don't get why they just don't use a different tire.
Because the Goodyear's allow those cars to perform as well as they do. Switching to another tire might let people go to the grocery store in winter...but it wouldn't perform the way they want it to on the track: which is why they are designed and built.
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Old 11-14-2013, 02:34 PM   #42
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If you recall - we held a lot of cars at Oshawa last year when the temps dropped - that upsets the customer and we understand that.

The reality is that you don't want to drive these cars with the tires we put on 1LE and ZL1 when temps drop......thus the decision.
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Old 11-14-2013, 03:09 PM   #43
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Well I just found out that I have a TPW of 11/18. Hopefully they'll ship this batch and not store them.
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Old 11-14-2013, 03:58 PM   #44
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Because the Goodyear's allow those cars to perform as well as they do. Switching to another tire might let people go to the grocery store in winter...but it wouldn't perform the way they want it to on the track: which is why they are designed and built.
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Old 11-14-2013, 04:14 PM   #45
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Why not suspend the ZL1 as well.
arent they the same tires just different
rear size.
i wondered this earlier when i saw
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Old 11-14-2013, 04:25 PM   #46
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ZL1 are suspended read the OP post it says it all over the info.....
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Old 11-14-2013, 05:18 PM   #47
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Don't get why they just don't use a different tire.
1LE's should come standard with a high quality three season performance tire, then offer the current tire as a no cost "track tire" option. Who could possibly argue with that? Now let the "you just don't get what this car is all about" tidal wave begin.
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Old 11-14-2013, 06:05 PM   #48
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Well I just found out that I have a TPW of 11/18. Hopefully they'll ship this batch and not store them.
Me too..... They will either get built and ship, or get built and sit there.
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Old 11-14-2013, 06:54 PM   #49
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Most of the 1LE cars built this time last year shipped without delay. I took delivery first week of December.
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Old 11-14-2013, 07:33 PM   #50
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News flash. the sales lost for delaying a car a couple of months is a drop in the bucket for gm. This is a company at spends 10,000,000 on Facebook advertising alone. They did roughly 80 million in revenue from 1le's last year. If they lost 10 million in sales(which they won't because that would mean zero orders during the delayed months!). That would be .0006 of 1 percent loss in total revenue.

Point being, they ain't changing anything for .0006 percent!
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