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Old 11-14-2013, 07:34 AM   #35
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Everyone always forgets the fine print about where GM can (paraphrasing) modify/offer/rescind offers, etc. of any model, option or car line at any time without notice. They chose to make a notice and they chose to do what's best for them. Deal with it or don't.

If you don't like it. Fine. You don't like it. The decision wasn't yours anyway. But nowhere I'm aware of is there a law that says GM has to sell ZL1s or 1LEs in the winter months.
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Old 11-14-2013, 08:46 AM   #36
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Or get one of the lot.
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Old 11-14-2013, 09:19 AM   #37
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I don't see why they can't just cover the tires somehow.
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Old 11-14-2013, 09:33 AM   #38
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1) Yep keep numbers down
2) Goodyears are better tires than Michelins - that is why they keep using them
3) None on lots around here - order
4) Worth the wait - FOR SURE
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Old 11-14-2013, 10:09 AM   #39
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Makes sense. I'm surprised they haven't done this before, since the tires have been on the ZL1 since 2012. Why build, and store cars that have potential for tire damage below 20 degrees?
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Old 11-14-2013, 10:11 AM   #40
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Thankfully, we have 3 Camaro allocations today and I can order all of them 1LE or ZL1. I plan on doing 2 1LEs and 1 ZL1.
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Old 11-14-2013, 12:08 PM   #41
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Actually they already made the decision to move production for the next generation to Lansing, MI. They will still have the cold weather issues unfortunately but these models are such a small part of production and it's such a short period it's not considered I suspect. Don't get why they just don't use a different tire.
Because the Goodyear's allow those cars to perform as well as they do. Switching to another tire might let people go to the grocery store in winter...but it wouldn't perform the way they want it to on the track: which is why they are designed and built.
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Old 11-14-2013, 03:34 PM   #42
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If you recall - we held a lot of cars at Oshawa last year when the temps dropped - that upsets the customer and we understand that.

The reality is that you don't want to drive these cars with the tires we put on 1LE and ZL1 when temps drop......thus the decision.
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Old 11-14-2013, 04:09 PM   #43
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Well I just found out that I have a TPW of 11/18. Hopefully they'll ship this batch and not store them.
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Old 11-14-2013, 04:58 PM   #44
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Because the Goodyear's allow those cars to perform as well as they do. Switching to another tire might let people go to the grocery store in winter...but it wouldn't perform the way they want it to on the track: which is why they are designed and built.
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Old 11-14-2013, 05:14 PM   #45
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Why not suspend the ZL1 as well.
arent they the same tires just different
rear size.
i wondered this earlier when i saw
this thread.
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Old 11-14-2013, 05:25 PM   #46
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ZL1 are suspended read the OP post it says it all over the info.....
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Old 11-14-2013, 06:18 PM   #47
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Don't get why they just don't use a different tire.
1LE's should come standard with a high quality three season performance tire, then offer the current tire as a no cost "track tire" option. Who could possibly argue with that? Now let the "you just don't get what this car is all about" tidal wave begin.
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Old 11-14-2013, 07:05 PM   #48
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Well I just found out that I have a TPW of 11/18. Hopefully they'll ship this batch and not store them.
Me too..... They will either get built and ship, or get built and sit there.
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Old 11-14-2013, 07:54 PM   #49
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Most of the 1LE cars built this time last year shipped without delay. I took delivery first week of December.
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Old 11-14-2013, 08:33 PM   #50
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News flash. the sales lost for delaying a car a couple of months is a drop in the bucket for gm. This is a company at spends 10,000,000 on Facebook advertising alone. They did roughly 80 million in revenue from 1le's last year. If they lost 10 million in sales(which they won't because that would mean zero orders during the delayed months!). That would be .0006 of 1 percent loss in total revenue.

Point being, they ain't changing anything for .0006 percent!
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Old 11-14-2013, 08:43 PM   #51
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Why not suspend the ZL1 as well.
arent they the same tires just different
rear size.
i wondered this earlier when i saw
this thread.
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ZL1 are suspended read the OP post it says it all over the info.....
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1LE's should come standard with a high quality three season performance tire, then offer the current tire as a no cost "track tire" option. Who could possibly argue with that? Now let the "you just don't get what this car is all about" tidal wave begin.
If you know it's going to come...then you know why...and I'll spare my fingers the effort of typing it out.

Perhaps if they made it easier/cheaper to purchase accessory wheels & winter tires, this might not need to occur...but the # of people willing to buy those wheels and tires for any more than a grand (which is impractical) is slim to none, I'll bet.

At the end of the day, while they might be doing this from a legal standpoint of avoiding lawsuits...they are also concerned for driver safety...and vehicle quality.

Camaro team doesn't want a car shipped that has cracked tires, or flat-spots...nor do they want people getting their high performnace car...risk not being told with the appropriate stress that these tires are dangerous in extremely cold temperatures...and wrecking their brand new cars....

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Me too..... They will either get built and ship, or get built and sit there.
I could be wrong.....but I don't think they're going to sit on any of them...the cold temps can damage the tires in extreme circumstances...If I were GM (and I'm not)...I'd put the entire car (1LE and ZL1) on an artificial constraint...causing them not to be built until the resume date...
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