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Old 11-19-2013, 11:26 AM   #26
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hence, when i bought my car, i didnt want the RS package and summer only tires. i got a non rs with 19 inch all season tires. some tires are just made for certain types of driving and GM dont expect folks with ZL1 cars to be plowing down detroit snow.
The summer tires on the rs and ss package cars is not effected by this bulletin there is no set minimum storage temp for the 20" pirellis so they can be shipped year round your all seasons might allow you to drive a little bit safer between 40 and 20 but in the end they are not snow tires, and they do get harder sooner than a dedicated winter tire would/
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Old 11-19-2013, 12:13 PM   #27
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if i remember right last year they where holding them because the tires where cracking due to the cold weather before they shipped.
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Old 11-19-2013, 04:04 PM   #28
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GM is not going to play musical chairs with tires.
Actually,they do play musical chairs with tires.We get trucks in all the time with transport tires on them and the wheels and tires that they were ordered with,come via freight truck.

If GM wanted to ship those units,they could.They just don't want too.
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Old 11-19-2013, 07:41 PM   #29
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So does that mean that those of us that have these tires on our cars need to store the tires in warmer conditions? In my case, my car is kept in a barn under a car cover, but the barn is not weather proof or insulated. It does however have a cement floor. Should I remove my wheels for winter and store them in my house? Thoughts?
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Old 11-19-2013, 07:53 PM   #30
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TO: Goodyear Contract Dealers, Goodyear Canada Inc. Dealers, Goodyear Company Owned Stores

Subject: Eagle F1 Supercar G:2 Summer Tires Not Recommended for Winter Use

Goodyear F1 Supercar G:2’s are D.O.T. approved ultra high performance summer tires with track capability. The rubber used in these tires loses flexibility and may develop surface cracks in the tire tread/shoulder area at colder temperatures. Goodyear does not recommend using these high performance summer tires when temperatures drop to approximately 40 deg F (5 deg C) or below, or in snow/ice conditions.


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Follow the general tire storage recommendations in Product Service Bulletin 2010-21, Proper Procedures for the Storage of Tires. Further, it is recommended for these tires to be stored indoors at temperatures above 20 deg F (-7 deg C) when not in use. If the tires have been subject to 20 deg F (-7 deg C) or less, let them warm up in a heated space to at least 40 deg F for 24 hours or more before installation or driving the vehicle. Inflate the tires only after they have been warmed above 40 deg F (5 deg C). Do not place tires near heaters or heating devices used to warm the room where the tires are stored. Do not apply heat or blow heated air directly on the tires. Always inspect tires before use after storage periods as outlined in the Proper Procedures for the Storage of Tires bulletin.

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Old 11-19-2013, 08:00 PM   #31
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If you're not ordering a 1LE or ZL1, don't worry about it, it does not affect you. It certainly isn't affecting me. I got mine.

Doesn't matter if YOU can drive year round. The cars don't sit in climate controlled comfort in Oshawa. They're OUTSIDE...and in Oshawa, if you haven't got the memo yet...gets COLD. So cold it can affect the tire situation.

GM is not going to play musical chairs with tires. If you don't like it, then wait until spring and put in your order. You can probably place an order with your dealer now and in February, they'll make yours.

It's out of your hands, and if you think you can change it, don't. Because you can't. The word has come down from the mountain. Get over it, get on with life. Go find a cure for cancer or something. It's a higher priority than ZL1/1LE orders.
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Old 11-19-2013, 08:01 PM   #32
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Wow those tires sound like a PITA. If I owned a car that used them I would definitely have a set of "Cold Weather Tires" to put on.
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Old 11-19-2013, 08:18 PM   #33
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From the way that bulletin reads you can store the tires below 20 degrees, but you have to understand that they are going to be brittle. If you do anything that stresses the rubber; drive, inflate, etc., you run risk of cracking the tires. You must let them slowly warm up through and through before driving again.

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Old 11-19-2013, 10:33 PM   #34
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Remember this is still a business, lots of cars on lots maybe create a sense of urgency now, stack up orders till spring and bang out a bunch of them. With the amount of money spent developing these cars I find it hard to believe they couldn't deliver to warm climates. People get fired for much less every day, missing 1/4 of the production is a smoke screen NOT created by tires.

Really GM... tires???
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Old 11-19-2013, 10:37 PM   #35
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Can you buy a set of daily driver wheels that will work for the 364 days a year you use the car otherwise, and for that one day when you want to break records you can put on these super-duper tires? Or is there some sort of reason you're stuck with summer only tires on the high performance cars?

I'm looking to get a ZL1 maybe a year or so from now once we know more about the 2016s, but it would be a daily driver... I'm not sure how much a consideration it would be in the decision, but it's a little disconcerting to find out how finicky the 'stock' tires are. For those one or two days a year here in Phoenix when we get below the 40's, or that spur of the moment trip up to the mountains it would be nice not having to consider my traction getting severely compromised or the tires cracking.

Sorry if I helped the thread go off topic. :/
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Old 11-20-2013, 05:38 AM   #36
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Why not just ship them with "basic" tires and have the dealer switch them out? Then you can have a disclaimer signed explaining that the tires are not good in the snow/cold and recommend switching tires or winterizing the vehicle until Spring. What about those in warmer climates
When my ZL1 came in last January, I had the dealer put on Conti Extreme Contacts before I took delivery. In KY, we have a lot of nice days with cold temps. I'm very happy with the Contis. Sold my factory tires to a forum member. Everybody happy.

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Old 11-20-2013, 06:48 AM   #37
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So does that mean that those of us that have these tires on our cars need to store the tires in warmer conditions? In my case, my car is kept in a barn under a car cover, but the barn is not weather proof or insulated. It does however have a cement floor. Should I remove my wheels for winter and store them in my house? Thoughts?
Just don't move the car if it's below 20, of which in MD is rarely an issue.
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Old 11-20-2013, 10:26 AM   #38
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Just don't move the car if it's below 20, of which in MD is rarely an issue.

Good point. Although they are calling for temps around 23 this week and it is only November.
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Remember this is still a business, lots of cars on lots maybe create a sense of urgency now, stack up orders till spring and bang out a bunch of them. With the amount of money spent developing these cars I find it hard to believe they couldn't deliver to warm climates. People get fired for much less every day, missing 1/4 of the production is a smoke screen NOT created by tires.

Really GM... tires???



Yes - TIRES.

You don't have to believe me - but I simply tell you to go look at this very site last March - people were upset because their 1LEs and ZL1s were sitting at the plant.............

Yes. Tires.

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Old 11-20-2013, 12:28 PM   #40
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I have a hard time believing GM would suspend production of $55000.00 cars because of tires unless they are obligated to mount GY F1s. My 13 was loaded to rail from Oshawa and transported via truck late January, then tested by the dealer Feb. 1, as as result the tires were severly cracked before I took delivery. Of course no one knew about the tires
at the dealership. It is my opinion the GM really layed an egg with these tires and now won't produce the cars because of them. How about all of the folks in the south that just have to wait
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I have a hard time believing GM would suspend production of $55000.00 cars because of tires unless they are obligated to mount GY F1s. My 13 was loaded to rail from Oshawa and transported via truck late January, then tested by the dealer Feb. 1, as as result the tires were severly cracked before I took delivery. Of course no one knew about the tires
at the dealership. It is my opinion the GM really layed an egg with these tires and now won't produce the cars because of them. How about all of the folks in the south that just have to wait
If you paid $55000 for a car that was supposed to come with supercar performance tires but then because you ordered it in the winter they put a set of mud and snow rated tires on it you would be ranting because you didn't get what you were supposed to get..
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I have a hard time believing GM would suspend production of $55000.00 cars because of tires unless they are obligated to mount GY F1s. My 13 was loaded to rail from Oshawa and transported via truck late January, then tested by the dealer Feb. 1, as as result the tires were severly cracked before I took delivery. Of course no one knew about the tires
at the dealership. It is my opinion the GM really layed an egg with these tires and now won't produce the cars because of them. How about all of the folks in the south that just have to wait
Those tires are part of the package. The car must be sold as advertised.
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Old 11-20-2013, 03:09 PM   #43
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Wow those tires sound like a PITA. If I owned a car that used them I would definitely have a set of "Cold Weather Tires" to put on.
For me, my 1LE isn't my daily driver so I have no need to replace the tires, specially living in SC. I'll most likely replace them with the same kind when they wear out. They performed great at the track last weekend. I can see why people are upset but they're making the right call.
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Yes - TIRES.

You don't have to believe me - but I simply tell you to go look at this very site last March - people were upset because their 1LEs and ZL1s were sitting at the plant.............

Yes. Tires.

No conspiracy here.


Please read this over, and over, and over again guys.

Couple of important highlights to consider:

(1) If you don't have an order in for a 1LE or a ZL1 - please don't complain too much - because this doesn't effect you at all.

(2) The Goodyear Supercar G2 tires are REQUIRED to achieve the performance levels the Camaro team designed these cars to offer. And they cannot build a car with non-spec tires.

(3) The number of people who actually HAVE orders for these cars in the two-three month period of holds on orders...is quite small. Many more people buy standard SSs, LSs, and LTs.

(4) and finally: Sorry to folks with orders in the south, but the plant is in snow-ville...and no plant employee's safety (driving around in the cold), nor the integrity of the tires...is worth two months of time.
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I have a hard time believing GM would suspend production of $55000.00 cars because of tires unless they are obligated to mount GY F1s. My 13 was loaded to rail from Oshawa and transported via truck late January, then tested by the dealer Feb. 1, as as result the tires were severly cracked before I took delivery. Of course no one knew about the tires
at the dealership. It is my opinion the GM really layed an egg with these tires and now won't produce the cars because of them. How about all of the folks in the south that just have to wait
My car was also built in early Jan. And I bought in late Feb. 2013. I had no problems. I guess was lucky all around.
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The summer tires on the rs and ss package cars is not effected by this bulletin there is no set minimum storage temp for the 20" pirellis so they can be shipped year round your all seasons might allow you to drive a little bit safer between 40 and 20 but in the end they are not snow tires, and they do get harder sooner than a dedicated winter tire would/
There is no warranty if the P-Zeros are used below 45F though. If you hit a pot hole and crack one it's on you.

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I just crashed my car two weeks ago because of the these dam tires. The traction couldn't hold the car -.-
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While we are on the subject of "summer" tires. The people on this board are being ridiculous with worrying about driving on the pzeros in cold weather. I have driven a few times the last few weeks in temps of 18degrees.... and guess what? Im still alive!
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Here is the point I was making, GM builds a car in Canada and sells it to all areas of the country, I'm assuming only a small percentage of dealers knew about the tire issue, matter of fact the factory itself didn't appear to know until problems started to surface. After I ordered the car I read the online owners manual and was aware of the "summer only tire", but read nothing about storage below 20 or driving below 40.
I live in ND and in my town alone there are at least a half dozen zl1s. Rather than produce the car with a tire that will work in all areas (I read on Camaro5 about several options that won't crack, even apps for Corvettes), they suspend production instead, seems economically flawed.
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