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Old 11-28-2013, 03:03 PM   #35
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What is the difference in the install of the full bush vs inserts?
Inserts you just drop into the OEM bushings, install takes however long it takes you to drop the cradle.

Full inserts you have to drop the cradle and then drill out the OEM bushings.
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Old 11-28-2013, 03:33 PM   #36
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Inserts you just drop into the OEM bushings, install takes however long it takes you to drop the cradle.

Full inserts you have to drop the cradle and then drill out the OEM bushings.
Thanks for the claification, sounds like the full bushes are the way to go, long as you have the cradle down might as well go the rest of the way. Especially when the 1le permagrin package comes with them.

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Old 11-28-2013, 03:43 PM   #37
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Thanks for the claification, sounds like the full bushes are the way to go, long as you have the cradle down might as well go the rest of the way. Especially when the 1le permagrin package comes with them.

On my list of mods.
They cost twice as much also then inserts but are worth it if hp is alot. For auto x at stock hp levels inserts work fine, you have to be able to tell if one or the other got you .100 better. I sure couldnt!
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Old 11-28-2013, 03:44 PM   #38
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Doing cradle bushings is easy, just takes a little time. Its easy people. I done it on jack stands in the driveway with one jack.
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Old 11-28-2013, 04:24 PM   #39
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I was able to install the cradle inserts without even fully dropping the cradle, and that was with jackstands in the garage. There's no way I'd have been able to keep the cradle attached for the full bushings...
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Old 11-28-2013, 05:34 PM   #40
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I didn't fully drop mine either for the full bushings. One jack, a Lowes propane torch and hand tools.
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Old 12-01-2013, 12:07 AM   #41
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If it's worth anything, go with the full sub-frame bushings. The price of the bushings is pricey, but at the end of the day, it's well worth it and you don't want to end up doing the job twice if you end up doing it down the road. I just did mine a few days ago and following the Pfadt directions with a few differences, it took a little more than 4-5 hours. Besides doing it on the ground I cut the inner metal bushings and beat the hell out of them until they came out. Not saying a torch and jack won't do the job, but I didn't research any other way of doing it.

For myself, I removed the exhaust, disconnected the driveshaft, disconnected the strut from the control arm, pulled the four 24mm bolts that hold the cradle up and everything dropped. Dropping the cradle and getting the bushings out are the worst part of doing the job. After that putting it all back together takes less than half the time of getting it out. It would also be a good time to do anything else you need to do while it's down.
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I didn't undo the drive shaft.
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Old 12-01-2013, 09:35 AM   #43
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I have a one piece driveshaft, so I had no choice. I also took our the entire cradle for more room.
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What would you all recommend for a v6? I was leaning towards inserts.
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Old 12-01-2013, 06:23 PM   #45
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What would you all recommend for a v6? I was leaning towards inserts.
You could go that route, but as others have stated, if you already went through the trouble of dropping the cradle, you might as well go all the way.
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Old 12-01-2013, 06:29 PM   #46
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You could go that route, but as others have stated, if you already went through the trouble of dropping the cradle, you might as well go all the way.
True, this is the second time I dropped the cradle. Doing it the second time sucked just as much as the first. The only difference is, the second time I knew how to approach it.
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Old 12-01-2013, 06:49 PM   #47
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You could go that route, but as others have stated, if you already went through the trouble of dropping the cradle, you might as well go all the way.
True, just wasn't sure if getting the actual bushings would be a waste since I am not putting out that much power to the wheels.
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Aluminum subframe bushings ok on the street? Will they wear out at all?
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Aluminum subframe bushings ok on the street? Will they wear out at all?
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True, just wasn't sure if getting the actual bushings would be a waste since I am not putting out that much power to the wheels.
Pedder's inserts are a great improvement on the V6 kj- both before and after I went IPF.

They really unify the rearend with the rest of the car and are a much easier install than the full bushing, IMHO. They are all you need and definitely worth the trouble.
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Pedder's inserts are a great improvement on the V6 kj- both before and after I went IPF.

They really unify the rearend with the rest of the car and are a much easier install than the full bushing, IMHO. They are all you need and definitely worth the trouble.

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