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Old 03-21-2008, 07:40 PM   #1
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Question ss and z28

alright. well, im not so up to date on the whole camaro history. and i was wondering. what is the real difference between the z28 and ss model of the 2010 camaro? and i mean engine wise.
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Old 03-21-2008, 07:56 PM   #2
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Nobody knows yet, GM has yet to announce a Z-28 or an SS at all. They've only hinted at engines.
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Old 03-21-2008, 08:52 PM   #3
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The Z28 is probably going to have the LS2(400 hp) engine with the SS packing the LS3(430 hp)
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Old 03-21-2008, 09:06 PM   #4
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The Z28 is probably going to have the LS2(400 hp) engine with the SS packing the LS3(430 hp)
Nope. No LS2. Its going out of production.

In response to the original question, it is hoped that the Z28 is a suspension and handling package and not just a less powerful engine.
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Old 03-21-2008, 09:56 PM   #5
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Nobody knows yet, GM has yet to announce a Z-28 or an SS at all. They've only hinted at engines.
actually an SS has been announced
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actually an SS has been announced
Yes and no. There was a slip of the tongue about the SS but nothing official and nothing about where it will be in the lineup or what it will have for an engine.
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Old 03-22-2008, 01:10 AM   #7
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The Z28 is probably going to have the LS2(400 hp) engine with the SS packing the LS3(430 hp)
WOW!!! i know im late but WOW!!!. no ls2 kid. how is everyone doin
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maybe there should be a sticky that's called "the ls2 is dead" everytime somebody brings it up i feel like this :bangdesk:
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Old 03-22-2008, 02:52 AM   #9
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Nope. No LS2. Its going out of production.
(^) That's all you needed to say, guys...and it's already been said. Lets not make a big deal about it......again.
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Old 03-22-2008, 11:42 AM   #10
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Anyway...GGage09 wasnt asking what the engine options will be, hes asking in the history of the Camaro what is usually the difference between Z28 and SS.

I'm not very good with my Camaro history but i think the Z28 was the base V8 and the SS is the biggest V8 they will offer. But dont quote me.

Anyone else wanna chime in so we can study up on Camaro History?
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1st Gen - Z28 was originally designed as a race-oriented package, with a high-winding V8 sized for Trans Am regulations and the best handling available. SS was the model with the most horsepower and more mainstream than the Z28, which was originally marketed only to road racers.

After that there have been times where the only V8 was the Z28 option, then there was the IROC edition...

Finally, the 4th gen reintroduced the SS model later in its run. The SS was a Z28 with a few additions.
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1st Gen Camaro - in a nutshell.

Z28 = Track car, better handling, high reving V8.
SS = More or less built for drag style racing, more torque.
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The Z28 is probably going to have the LS2(400 hp) engine with the SS packing the LS3(430 hp)
The LS2 is on its way out. There will no longer be cars with the LS2.

The SS has been slipped, and the Z28 has never been quoted by anyone. No one knows the difference because no one really knows what is going to exists. Furthermore, we aren't sure whether the RS will exist. No one outside of GM is aware of the actual trims that will be available for the upcoming Camaro. When we do, it will show up here at Camaro5.
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I just hope when it does show up, the black SUVs don't follow.
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Old 03-24-2008, 05:28 PM   #15
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thanks Airgoya, that is actually what i meant.
so initially, the ss would include a better engine, while the z28 maybe better features (possibly better handling also)?
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The LS2 is on its way out. There will no longer be cars with the LS2.

The SS has been slipped, and the Z28 has never been quoted by anyone. No one knows the difference because no one really knows what is going to exists. Furthermore, we aren't sure whether the RS will exist. No one outside of GM is aware of the actual trims that will be available for the upcoming Camaro. When we do, it will show up here at Camaro5.
This may be off topic/ or there might already be another post already addressing this issue but... If that is really the case and there will be no LS2, what sort of engine would you predict if you had to make a quess (For both the SS/Z28/RS). That is if they all get different engines, I'm assuming they will all be tuned differently.
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It seems like common thoughts regarding engine options are the L76 6.0L, LS3 6.2L, and either LS8, LSA, and LS9 (I don't think this is practical at all because of the exotic materials and cost.) The L76 is already in the G8 and LS3 in the 'Vette. LS8 is an alleged version of a supercharged 6.2 and the LSA is a confirmed supercharged 6.2 in the CTS-V. It seems likely, IF there is a 500-fighter, either of these two would likely get the nod' since the LSA already makes something like 550 horsepower.

My thinking is (regarding the V8 option(s)) is that the Z28 gets the LS3 and the SS get the LSA/LS8; either that, or reversed. Since GM is kinda' going back to the 1st Gen. for design inspiration, I'm guessing they may have an RS appearance package that one could add to either, or both, Z28s and SSs, just like the good 'ole days.

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thanks Airgoya, that is actually what i meant.
so initially, the ss would include a better engine, while the z28 maybe better features (possibly better handling also)?
well that was 1st gen... the second gen Camaros changed because the racing regulations changed. in '70 the Z28 got a 350CID small block that had 360 HP/380TQ. this was better than the base SS engine that was also a small block 350 with 300HP/380TQ so it just depends on the year of the cars... because the SS was discontinued at the start of '73 and for the last 2 years of the SS run the Z was the best performance camaro you could get besting the SS by sometimes as much as 30HP. im not sure what the 4th gen SS and Z had on them but i'm gonna guess that the engine was the only difference there...

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It seems like common thoughts regarding engine options are the L76 6.0L, LS3 6.2L, and either LS8, LSA, and LS9 (I don't think this is practical at all because of the exotic materials and cost.) The L76 is already in the G8 and LS3 in the 'Vette. LS8 is an alleged version of a supercharged 6.2 and the LSA is a confirmed supercharged 6.2 in the CTS-V. It seems likely, IF there is a 500-fighter, either of these two would likely get the nod' since the LSA already makes something like 550 horsepower.

My thinking is (regarding the V8 option(s)) is that the Z28 gets the LS3 and the SS get the LSA/LS8; either that, or reversed. Since GM is kinda' going back to the 1st Gen. for design inspiration, I'm guessing they may have an RS appearance package that one could add to either, or both, Z28s and SSs, just like the good 'ole days.

We'll find out at Indy...
i'm going to guess that the different trim levels are going to only be different engine sizes with interior appearance and some exterior differences so you can tell which is which. This is just in line with the current way the GM vehicles and most vehicles are made/ordered today... so if i had to guess the RS will be the V6 the Z28 will be the LS3 and the SS will get the LSA/LS8 and there will be an option with all of them that you can get a sport tuned suspension and yadda yadda yadda. like i said this is just inline with the current way things are done, GM might surprise us. i just hope i don't have to get the whole Z package inorder to get a good suspension on my V6 GT fighter
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alright. well, im not so up to date on the whole camaro history. and i was wondering. what is the real difference between the z28 and ss model of the 2010 camaro? and i mean engine wise.
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There wasn't much of a performance difference between SSs and Z28s. SSs had a little better exhaust and cold air induction through the hood. I believe they may have come from GM with better swaybar and such, but I can't recall at the moment.

Now, you could've obtained a bunch more stuff through SLP for your SS though, including catback, suspension, and a special Blackwing lid at the end of the '02 production run. You weren't talking about a big change though because most of the SLP Dual-Dual catbacks (to my understanding) had a sort of restrictor plate before the muffler to quiet it down some more. I've read many people cut those out of the catback and liked it afterward, but you may only be looking at 10-20 more horsepower over a Z28. I think the SS was more of an appearance option than performance, since the power difference wasn't much.

Maybe we'll see a bigger divergence with this generation...
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well nothing has been said as of yet besides a big hinting towards SS..traditionally it was z28 was a track and handling package with a smaller but potent and performance oriented 302 engine and the SS with its straightline performance, big hp and torque numbers, and bigger engines. Then they had the RS which was more or less an apperence package which could be had with the z28 and SS. Me, im hoping they go this route with the camaro.
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Nothing's official, but in the 4th gen. cars the z28 had a little less horsepower than a SS. So maybe the 400+ horse engine for the z, and then for the SS something supercharged?
nobody knows though, it's all just guessing
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Nothing's official, but in the 4th gen. cars the z28 had a little less horsepower than a SS. So maybe the 400+ horse engine for the z, and then for the SS something supercharged?
nobody knows though, it's all just guessing
Hoping the SS gets the CTS-V's top dog engine.. 500+ hp. I mean if theyre going to be offering a turbo 4 banger, they should go extreme on the other end and gives us a monster of an engine too. Praying for it
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