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Old 12-05-2013, 08:02 AM   #26
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I see your point.
I mean I do think the new Corvette is an amazing machine, but it firmly belongs in the exotic class, even though most racing snobs will never accept an American Production car into their realm.
The corvette looks like it should make that high-pitched whine that exotic foreign mid engine high rpm cars make, not that ultra manly low and throaty growl that Camaros make.
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Old 12-05-2013, 08:03 AM   #27
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What does your post about C7's have to do with the Camaro as a "dying breed"? ....even though sales are higher than ever....
This.
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Old 12-05-2013, 08:04 AM   #28
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Camaro = the everyday mans sports car
Vette = THE American sports car

The new vette looks great. Aero policies with cars will always make the TOP supercars look similar. Just my .02
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Old 12-05-2013, 08:05 AM   #29
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they took the lights from the Camaro and restyled them and put that stupid side window in.. love the car if it wasn't for that window..
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Old 12-05-2013, 08:11 AM   #30
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As it always is with anything "my perception is my reality". So, I think the c7 looked great in 2D in photos. When I saw one in person I was underwhelmed. It looks more like a C6 with some extra vents, louvers and a really busy, plastic looking rear end. It looks like a corvette. No one is going to confuse it with a European exotic which is just fine. It's a corvette fully modernized and full of performance potential. Overall it is better than any Corvette since the 60's Stingrays and I'm sure the looks will grow on me - I just don't find the looks as revolutionary amazing as others. It's more evolutionary.
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Old 12-05-2013, 08:15 AM   #31
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Am I the only one who feels as if Chevy lost sight of its heritage and made the new corvettes too much like a European style car? Don't get me wrong I love what they did INSIDE the engine bay,but to me as a corvette fan I feel like if you want that muscle look from Chevy,it's a camaro or nothing
I love the heritage/retro style of the Camaro too, but it's all about a company reinventing themselves or the product will grow old and be left behind. Look at the Mustang... they were the first to really hit the retro styling phase and it was a home run for Ford… It also forced GM to peruse the same retro direction with the rebirth of the 5th gen Camaro. If you notice, especially with the official Mustang pics released today Ford is now slightly moving in a different direction. I think change is good and I think what GM has done with the C7 is a good direction. It was time for change with that car. A lot of the Styling ques they were hanging onto I feel were holding them back from moving forward in the styling department. Remember when the flip up lights went by by... die hard Corvette fans hated it. I think the Vette would be so dated looking if it had flip up lights today. The headlight design is such a styling characteristic in cars these days. I agree it does have a more european styling, but to me it still retains the DNA of a Corvette. The next gen Camaro (2016) will probably hang on to a refined retro styling, but I would not be surprised if you see GM moving away from it with the 7th gen of the Camaro. Only time will tell.
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Old 12-05-2013, 08:17 AM   #32
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I blame the psuedo Communist Government in China who, to my knowledge, still owns the controlling shares of GM through SAIC.

Heart breaking because GM was rabidly anti-Communist in the 30's and 40's.
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Old 12-05-2013, 08:19 AM   #33
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What does your post about C7's have to do with the Camaro as a "dying breed"? ....even though sales are higher than ever....
exactly. This thread should be called "the C7 is too euro looking for me"
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Old 12-05-2013, 08:22 AM   #34
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If the new Vette was released and badged by Ferrari, people would have said nice car. But it is American and It is losing its American look. Do I like it? yeah it's ok but, I still hate the center mounted tailpipes.
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Old 12-05-2013, 08:28 AM   #35
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If the new Vette was released and badged by Ferrari, people would have said nice car. But it is American and It is losing its American look. Do I like it? yeah it's ok but, I still hate the center mounted tailpipes.
To me, the C7 looks like a Corvette designed by Ferrari, but retaining some of the heft that makes an American car look American. So more like an older Ferrari. All this is a good thing, IMO. Actually, I like it's style much more than any recent Ferrari. GM is doing great with Cadillac products in comparison to current BMWs. There is nothing wrong with GM taking some cues from Eurpoean manufactures in an effort to out do them.
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Old 12-05-2013, 08:58 AM   #36
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:00 AM   #37
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People in the 60's 70's 80's probably said the exact same thing. Designs and looks change over the years, its just what is relative to you and what you grew up with as a "muscle car" look. I know what you are trying to say, but I think each generation can say the same thing.
That's a valid point,I guess being so young I get caught up in the past
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I see your point.
I mean I do think the new Corvette is an amazing machine, but it firmly belongs in the exotic class, even though most racing snobs will never accept an American Production car into their realm.
The corvette looks like it should make that high-pitched whine that exotic foreign mid engine high rpm cars make, not that ultra manly low and throaty growl that Camaros make.
Summed up perfectly
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:18 AM   #39
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Historically the Corvette has been futuristic and trend setting. There are self proclaimed purists out there that talk about how the C7 has left its heritage. The C7 is all about its heritage from the mono leaf rear suspension to the C1 grill. It is an absolute amazing design and engineering acomplishment for Corvette! The C5 Camaro speaks for its self with sales......heck it is even more desired by the thieves.
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I blame the psuedo Communist Government in China who, to my knowledge, still owns the controlling shares of GM through SAIC.

Heart breaking because GM was rabidly anti-Communist in the 30's and 40's.
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:21 AM   #41
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Am I the only one who feels as if Chevy lost sight of its heritage and made the new corvettes too much like a European style car? Don't get me wrong I love what they did INSIDE the engine bay,but to me as a corvette fan I feel like if you want that muscle look from Chevy,it's a camaro or nothing
no, Camaro and Corvette are instantly recognizable as what they are
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:33 AM   #42
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...Of course the Corvette is a Euro-type thing...Two seater sports cars originated in Europe and were the up-scale car there....GM building one in the US was revolutionary and quite a risk...(going European in the 50's???)....It was a stroke of genius and the rest is history....What made the Vette's uniquely American was the "muscle-car" type power-plants, not the styling....It's a world class car, whereas not so much for the Camaro...just my $.02...
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:43 AM   #43
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It is NOT a Euro look. It is a sleek and aerodynamic look. The car was built so that its looks would be functional. Europeans do not own the market on sleek, low, aerodynamic, and sharp lines. The body of this vehicle helps it at high speeds and in cornering and cuts down on wind resistance. It gets tested at race tracks all across the world. And at the level it gets tested on, the looks can greatly affect how it performs. And it is a general look that ALL manufacturers produce to win. So yes, all the higher priced cars will have a somewhat identical look. But to give the Europeans credit or to say that we're copying them in this regard is just not cool.
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:57 AM   #44
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You know, at some point if GM is going to advance their product lines, they HAVE to make changes. People want them to make new and exciting cars but when they make changes people freak out and complain that they made changes. It's one thing to criticize; it's quite another to contribute something meaningful that can help them create the car you want them to.

I think everyone is pretty good with the performance side of things; all the car manufacturers are making performance improvements that are making today's cars better than anything before. That's great. Where it seems the drama is coming from is the styling and appearance. And believe it or not, that's a significantly more difficult area to develop for than anything mechanical. Everyone seems to have their own idea of what looks good, but VERY FEW have the ability to make that into an image that can be produced.

I spent quite a bit of time creating my idea of what I'd like to see for the 6th gen in my thread that I think many of you looked at. It was a far more difficult project than I anticipated. You don't find out what people like or don't like until you produce something; and by that time you've already invested a fair amount of effort just to get to that point. You do your best based on what you think looks good. People don't tell you what they like or don't like until AFTER you've reached that point which makes it pretty daunting to change course if they don't like it. Just saying you don't like it doesn't really give the designer much to work with to help them make changes. I have a great deal of respect for what a car design team has to go through to create a car. My exercise was strictly academic; theirs is life or death; my career is on the line; will I lose my job/department; if we come up with a turkey will the company go out of business. I'm sure it's great to be working on something exciting like a performance car, but at the same time the stress level has to be tremendous.

I would challenge anyone who doesn't like the direction GM is going in, to take the time and help them come up with the direction you DO want them to go in. And be specific; give them something tangible they can use to help guide them. Pull together images or the parts of an image you like. Describe features, colors, looks, styles, etc. that you would like to see. Don't just say or imply "you guys suck". That's discouraging and counter-productive; help don't hinder.

I think we're very fortunate that the Camaro team is so pro-customer and actually views these forums and converses with us. They DO listen and they DO care. Take advantage of that and give them useful feedback.
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You know, at some point if GM is going to advance their product lines, they HAVE to make changes. People want them to make new and exciting cars but when they make changes people freak out and complain that they made changes. It's one thing to criticize; it's quite another to contribute something meaningful that can help them create the car you want them to.

I think everyone is pretty good with the performance side of things; all the car manufacturers are making performance improvements that are making today's cars better than anything before. That's great. Where it seems the drama is coming from is the styling and appearance. And believe it or not, that's a significantly more difficult area to develop for than anything mechanical. Everyone seems to have their own idea of what looks good, but VERY FEW have the ability to make that into an image that can be produced.

I spent quite a bit of time creating my idea of what I'd like to see for the 6th gen in my thread that I think many of you looked at. It was a far more difficult project than I anticipated. You don't find out what people like or don't like until you produce something; and by that time you've already invested a fair amount of effort just to get to that point. You do your best based on what you think looks good. People don't tell you what they like or don't like until AFTER you've reached that point which makes it pretty daunting to change course if they don't like it. Just saying you don't like it doesn't really give the designer much to work with to help them make changes. I have a great deal of respect for what a car design team has to go through to create a car. My exercise was strictly academic; theirs is life or death; my career is on the line; will I lose my job/department; if we come up with a turkey will the company go out of business. I'm sure it's great to be working on something exciting like a performance car, but at the same time the stress level has to be tremendous.

I would challenge anyone who doesn't like the direction GM is going in, to take the time and help them come up with the direction you DO want them to go in. And be specific; give them something tangible they can use to help guide them. Pull together images or the parts of an image you like. Describe features, colors, looks, styles, etc. that you would like to see. Don't just say or imply "you guys suck". That's discouraging and counter-productive; help don't hinder.

I think we're very fortunate that the Camaro team is so pro-customer and actually views these forums and converses with us. They DO listen and they DO care. Take advantage of that and give them useful feedback.
It's clear and simple to see/read nitwit remarks vs. objective/constructive feedback.

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I love the new Corvette. Based on looks and stats alone if I had the money I would order one sight unseen.
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for me Corvette always had an bit of euro hidden somewhere, specially the Stingrays, but really the Corvette and Camaro set them apart from japan and euro cars...

I think Chevy is trying too wash the image of the corvette to catch "younger buyers"
I agree that Chevy has really changed their look for the Corvette to make it look a bit more European. However, the lines of the car just looking at it screams Corvette. I think they have stuck with the tradition of the car's shape while making it modern and like you said a bit more appealing to the "younger" individual. I think the interior of the C7's are a HUGE step up from what they were doing in the past as well. When it comes down to it I wish that this "young buyer" could afford one now because I think they are bad ass.
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Well at least the chief designer of the C7 has that on his resume now, and not just that he was also the chief designer of the Pontiac Aztec!!!

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Am I the only one who feels as if Chevy lost sight of its heritage and made the new corvettes too much like a European style car? Don't get me wrong I love what they did INSIDE the engine bay,but to me as a corvette fan I feel like if you want that muscle look from Chevy,it's a camaro or nothing
The corvette has pretty much always been an economy level supercar design except for perhaps the first gen.

The corvette, in the past 40 years has never been in the muscle car category, not sure what your seeing but the corvette look just like it should for the category of car it is.
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