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camarocrazy28 · 03-21-2008, 08:19 PM

Would anyone consider a diesel in a Camaro. GM recently developed a Duramax 4.5. They designed it to fit the same dimensions as typical small block. The engine will be available in future half ton pick-ups. GM hasn't ruled out the possiblity of the new diesel being put into passenger cars. I love diesels (I've been a diesel mechanic for almost 20 years). For so long they've gotten a bad rap, thanks in part to some God awful diesels produced in the past. Like the diesel 350 GM developed in the eighties. Talk about slow! And noisey. Nowadays, with the advances in turbocharging and computer controlled direct injection, diesels not only make the monsterous torque that they are known for, but they make comparable amounts of horsepower to similarly sized gas engines, and with around 20% better fuel economy. And furthermore, the aftermarket for diesels has increased exponentially over the last few years. Companies like Gale Banks Engineering offer computer upgrades, exhaust systems, and larger turbos which give current diesels stratospheric torque and horespower.

*DGthe3* · 03-21-2008, 09:04 PM

Well, diesels offer better mileage, fuel can be made practically for free, and large ones offer bone crushing torque, and sound more powerful than anything else out there. Oh, and from what I've heard, you can make crazy power out of them for cheap. So yes, I would consider it

rolnslo · 03-21-2008, 09:38 PM

I'd consider it, depending on the cost of the engine upgrade at purchase. I know that when I was looking for a new truck last year, the diesel upgrade on an F250 was a $6800+ option. Even with the severe torque these engines can put out and the fun that goes with it, I'm not sure I'd be willing to pay the additional upgrade costs up front.

Oh, and on the 20% fuel economy improvement...that's true but have you priced out the difference between diesel and gas at the pump lately? I paid $3.09/gal for gas today and diesel was $3.89/gal. That's a 26% price premium in fuel costs. Ouch!

But, I'd consider it just for the fun of it and the ability to run bio-diesel.

TheClassicCarKid · 03-21-2008, 09:43 PM

I don't think I could get over the sound coming from my new Camaro : /
plus diesel is way more expensive than premium unleaded where I am, not that that would be a deal-breaker, but definitely a tally in the con section.
I think I'd consider it though, for the torque : D

*GTAHVIT* · 03-21-2008, 10:45 PM

nope

blindingillusion · 03-21-2008, 11:06 PM

I would buy a colorado/canyon Diesel.

stovt001 · 03-22-2008, 01:13 AM

At the current price of diesel, no. If that changed or I had the means to make my own bio-diesel, then maybe.

bouncertime · 03-22-2008, 01:29 AM

In a truck yes, in a Camaro HELL NO.

*TAG UR IT* · 03-22-2008, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by stovt001

At the current price of diesel, no. If that changed or I had the means to make my own bio-diesel, then maybe.

$4.00 per gallon for diesel here....too much for me. But yes...I would consider one in a heartbeat. If luxury cars can be made with them w/out sounding like normal diesels do, why not?

swazworth · 03-22-2008, 02:43 AM

i would in a heartbeat. did any of you guys see the "pimp my ride" with the Impala that ran on bio-diesel??? that thing was sick.

JaysonAych · 03-22-2008, 02:43 AM

I would definitely consider it. Diesel is about $3.50-$3.80 around here (compared to $3.20 for 87 octane) so it's a bit costly, but the fuel savings might make up for it depending on how efficient they make it. And the blistering torque would make for a hellacious drive.

The_Stache · 03-22-2008, 12:46 PM

Depends on many factors. But it would definitely be in the comparison chart...

Emher · 03-22-2008, 05:13 PM

No, mostly because I have yet to encounter a diesel that doesn't sound like a truck engine. I'm getting a V8 because of the sound and feel of a V8 and I'm sticking to that.

Maven · 03-22-2008, 06:24 PM

Yeah, I think a Duramax 4500 powered Camaro would be badass. Its the same physical size and (almost, its got turbo stuff)weight as the LQ4.
Its as of right now making over 300hp and 500ftlbs torque.
That would be bitchin. Plus the engine itself is just a really neat piece of engineering. It doesnt have any exhaust manifolds bolted to the outside of the heads like traditional v8's. The exhasut exits through what would normally be the intake ports, and into the manifolds and turbo which rest low down in the valley of the engine(its about the same height as an LS3) and the intake ports are integrated into the outside edge of the head, the camshaft covers(valve covers....but its a 4 cam engine, so cam covers) have the intake manifold built into them. The intake air goes through the valve covers, yes. There is nothing were you'd usually see spark plugs and headers on a GM v8, its just, bare. Weird shit.

jhitson · 03-23-2008, 03:12 AM

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3095
406 lbs of torque! Don't think Iwould buy one but its interesting

Jeff · 03-23-2008, 05:49 AM

No from me.. :\

Jak · 03-23-2008, 08:24 AM

If diesel were cheap like it used to be I might, but in my area it's close to or over $4.00 in places so, I'd have to say no.

CaptianSam · 03-31-2008, 10:08 PM

in canada diesel is everywhere... and its roughly 80% of the cost of 87 octane it was .88 cents a litre when gas hit 1.09

Scotsman · 04-10-2008, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emher

No, mostly because I have yet to encounter a diesel that doesn't sound like a truck engine. I'm getting a V8 because of the sound and feel of a V8 and I'm sticking to that.

And he's paying $8/gallon!!!!!!!!!

I'd take a diesel Camaro in a heartbeat. Sure diesel costs more than petrol, at least for now but that's a seasonal, temporal issue. Beyond that, diesels costs less to operate over time compared to cars that run on gasoline and you make up whatever costs you eat in fuel costs after several years of owning a diesel powered car.

JustinZS · 04-11-2008, 12:24 AM

If it was cheaper sure though I do hate how they sound.

Scotsman · 04-11-2008, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustinZS

If it was cheaper sure though I do hate how they sound.

The sound is defintely not the best, but for me the benefits outweigh the cons.

Emher · 04-11-2008, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scotsman

And he's paying $8/gallon!!!!!!!!!

I'd take a diesel Camaro in a heartbeat. Sure diesel costs more than petrol, at least for now but that's a seasonal, temporal issue. Beyond that, diesels costs less to operate over time compared to cars that run on gasoline and you make up whatever costs you eat in fuel costs after several years of owning a diesel powered car.

You also have to take into account that our crrency is worth a lot more then the dollar. And diesel here have recently become really costly, more then regular gas even. I'm holding out hope for an E85 compatible Camaro, since that's still pretty cheap.

smokn' · 04-11-2008, 08:28 AM

(-) negative.

*The_Blur* · 04-11-2008, 02:14 PM

I would take it without hesitation. I'd run it on grease most of the time. A friend of my roommate took his diesel to Texas for $10 roundtrip. You can't deny that diesel would be good for the wallet that way.

frankfan42 · 05-17-2008, 11:03 PM

Camaro crazy - right on! I'd love to try a new camaro with a diesel- but I'd think long and hard about it because I want the convertible. I noticed that some European convertibles are coming with diesel power now.
Had an 84 Olds diesels Cutlass- I loved it, but it stank and was slow once over 30mph. The engineers were over ridden by the bean counters on that job!!
Rode in a new ambulance with the Duramax to take a patient to the cath lab- he went into V-Fib rhythm and while we were working on him the driver punched it and before you know it we were over 90mph. WOW! Incidentally the patient made it.

03-21-2008, 08:19 PM	#1
camarocrazy28 Drives: 1990 Camaro RS Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Loves Park, IL Posts: 92	Would you consider a diesel Camaro? Would anyone consider a diesel in a Camaro. GM recently developed a Duramax 4.5. They designed it to fit the same dimensions as typical small block. The engine will be available in future half ton pick-ups. GM hasn't ruled out the possiblity of the new diesel being put into passenger cars. I love diesels (I've been a diesel mechanic for almost 20 years). For so long they've gotten a bad rap, thanks in part to some God awful diesels produced in the past. Like the diesel 350 GM developed in the eighties. Talk about slow! And noisey. Nowadays, with the advances in turbocharging and computer controlled direct injection, diesels not only make the monsterous torque that they are known for, but they make comparable amounts of horsepower to similarly sized gas engines, and with around 20% better fuel economy. And furthermore, the aftermarket for diesels has increased exponentially over the last few years. Companies like Gale Banks Engineering offer computer upgrades, exhaust systems, and larger turbos which give current diesels stratospheric torque and horespower. Last edited by camarocrazy28; 03-23-2008 at 09:56 AM.

03-21-2008, 09:04 PM	#2
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 20,726	Well, diesels offer better mileage, fuel can be made practically for free, and large ones offer bone crushing torque, and sound more powerful than anything else out there. Oh, and from what I've heard, you can make crazy power out of them for cheap. So yes, I would consider it __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Quote: In 2014 the camaro will have ... a twin turbo v6 ... around 350 to 360HP No. Let me repeat that. No. FbodFather __________________ Camaro5 Fest III Information Camaro5 Fest III pre-registration

03-21-2008, 10:45 PM	#5
GTAHVIT One Lucky Guy. Drives: #22 Tom Henry Racing 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saint Augustine FL Posts: 28,318 View My Garage	nope __________________ Click image to see build thread. PQ - "the love of cars. It's a boys first step toward manhood and a mans last hold on boyhood." Fbodfather - "We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name." The_Blur - "Let's not confuse competitors with equals."

03-21-2008, 11:06 PM	#6
blindingillusion Drives: 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt 2LT Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Morgantown WV Posts: 196 View My Garage	I would buy a colorado/canyon Diesel. __________________ Ordered: 2010 Black 2SS/RS -CGM Ralley Stripes -Hurst Short Throw Shifter -20" Polished Aluminum Wheels Has Owned: 2008 Cobalt 1996 Monte Carlo 1988 Sierra 1979 LeSabre

03-22-2008, 01:29 AM	#8
bouncertime Miller High Life Drives: 2009 Silverado and 2007 Cobalt SS Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,647 View My Garage	In a truck yes, in a Camaro HELL NO. __________________ Jimmy

03-21-2008, 09:38 PM	#3
rolnslo Farewell 2010 1LT/RS... Drives: 2011 2SS/RS SGM Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,304 View My Garage	I'd consider it, depending on the cost of the engine upgrade at purchase. I know that when I was looking for a new truck last year, the diesel upgrade on an F250 was a $6800+ option. Even with the severe torque these engines can put out and the fun that goes with it, I'm not sure I'd be willing to pay the additional upgrade costs up front. Oh, and on the 20% fuel economy improvement...that's true but have you priced out the difference between diesel and gas at the pump lately? I paid $3.09/gal for gas today and diesel was $3.89/gal. That's a 26% price premium in fuel costs. Ouch! But, I'd consider it just for the fun of it and the ability to run bio-diesel.

03-21-2008, 09:43 PM	#4
TheClassicCarKid Drives: V45 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,274	I don't think I could get over the sound coming from my new Camaro : / plus diesel is way more expensive than premium unleaded where I am, not that that would be a deal-breaker, but definitely a tally in the con section. I think I'd consider it though, for the torque : D

03-22-2008, 01:13 AM	#7
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,817	At the current price of diesel, no. If that changed or I had the means to make my own bio-diesel, then maybe.

03-22-2008, 02:43 AM	#10
swazworth the nerd king Drives: 2005 scion xb... Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: phoenix, az Posts: 428	i would in a heartbeat. did any of you guys see the "pimp my ride" with the Impala that ran on bio-diesel??? that thing was sick.

03-22-2008, 02:43 AM	#11
JaysonAych Drives: 2002 Dodge Stratus Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Louisville Posts: 429 View My Garage	I would definitely consider it. Diesel is about $3.50-$3.80 around here (compared to $3.20 for 87 octane) so it's a bit costly, but the fuel savings might make up for it depending on how efficient they make it. And the blistering torque would make for a hellacious drive.

03-22-2008, 12:46 PM	#12
The_Stache SoCal Race Team #13 Drives: 2010 1SS:RS:LS3:SW Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,630 View My Garage	Depends on many factors. But it would definitely be in the comparison chart... __________________ A.K.A - Diarmadhi (old handle) - So much to do.. So little money

03-22-2008, 05:13 PM	#13
Emher Pillaging Viking Drives: Saab 9-5 '99 (Hey it's a GM!) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,205	No, mostly because I have yet to encounter a diesel that doesn't sound like a truck engine. I'm getting a V8 because of the sound and feel of a V8 and I'm sticking to that. __________________ "Fifty years from now, when you're looking back at your life, don't you want to be able to say you had the guts to get in the car?"

03-22-2008, 06:24 PM	#14
Maven Bowtie Technician Drives: 1969 Corvette Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 38	Yeah, I think a Duramax 4500 powered Camaro would be badass. Its the same physical size and (almost, its got turbo stuff)weight as the LQ4. Its as of right now making over 300hp and 500ftlbs torque. That would be bitchin. Plus the engine itself is just a really neat piece of engineering. It doesnt have any exhaust manifolds bolted to the outside of the heads like traditional v8's. The exhasut exits through what would normally be the intake ports, and into the manifolds and turbo which rest low down in the valley of the engine(its about the same height as an LS3) and the intake ports are integrated into the outside edge of the head, the camshaft covers(valve covers....but its a 4 cam engine, so cam covers) have the intake manifold built into them. The intake air goes through the valve covers, yes. There is nothing were you'd usually see spark plugs and headers on a GM v8, its just, bare. Weird shit. __________________ ASE Master Auto Technician & Advanced Engine Performance Specialist GM Mark Of Excellence Platinum Award winner Oft consequences unintended, result from plans ill comprehended.

03-23-2008, 03:12 AM	#15
jhitson Drives: 88 Camaro, 01 S-10, 06 G6 GTP Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 78	http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3095 406 lbs of torque! Don't think Iwould buy one but its interesting

03-23-2008, 05:49 AM	#16
Jeff ~ANTI-FORD~ Drives: Cadillac CTS Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 608	No from me.. :\ __________________ My Z28 sorry guys.. sold Camaro and got a Cadillac CTS, waiting for a few years to get a 2010 SS used ;]

03-23-2008, 08:24 AM	#17
Jak Drives: 03 Dodge Dakota Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New York Posts: 627	If diesel were cheap like it used to be I might, but in my area it's close to or over $4.00 in places so, I'd have to say no.

03-31-2008, 10:08 PM	#18
CaptianSam Car Garage Drives: 350z,A4,SRT8...see sig Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: north west Posts: 823	in canada diesel is everywhere... and its roughly 80% of the cost of 87 octane it was .88 cents a litre when gas hit 1.09 __________________ 2012 2SS RS Ordered Black on Black 6 speed Coupe Artic Lid Stripes Yes I Supercharge Everything On My Ipad Xbox McLovin1515 Ps3 McLovin1555 Current Autos:68z28,03viperSRT10,04escalade,05RangeRoverSport SC Project Autos:80corvette350-500hp 6speed,06charger S'C 6-speed posi,74Firebird400blue,69chevelle572 707 New Autos:2012CamaroSSRS,09ChallengerSRT8 Past Autos:....too many to list "i told you it was gettin' an LS3" Go down deep enough into anything and you will find mathematics. Dean Schlicter B.Sc. Hons. Mathematics

04-11-2008, 12:24 AM	#20
JustinZS Drives: waitin on 2010 !! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: AZ Posts: 126	If it was cheaper sure though I do hate how they sound.

04-11-2008, 08:28 AM	#23
smokn' Drives: 2006 GTO Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Martinez, GA Posts: 228	(-) negative. __________________ "Preach the gospel at all times--If necessary use words" - Francis of Assisi "To the honda owners: could of had a V8!"

04-11-2008, 02:14 PM	#24
The_Blur Moderator, USN Drives: 2000 Firebird Formula NHRA SE Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Officer Candidate School Posts: 12,712	I would take it without hesitation. I'd run it on grease most of the time. A friend of my roommate took his diesel to Texas for $10 roundtrip. You can't deny that diesel would be good for the wallet that way. __________________ Get a good deal on your purchase. Read this. 117:123 RESPECT ALL CARS. LOVE YOUR OWN. newborn gifts

05-17-2008, 11:03 PM	#25
frankfan42 Drives: 94 Caprice Join Date: May 2008 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 2	Camaro crazy - right on! I'd love to try a new camaro with a diesel- but I'd think long and hard about it because I want the convertible. I noticed that some European convertibles are coming with diesel power now. Had an 84 Olds diesels Cutlass- I loved it, but it stank and was slow once over 30mph. The engineers were over ridden by the bean counters on that job!! Rode in a new ambulance with the Duramax to take a patient to the cath lab- he went into V-Fib rhythm and while we were working on him the driver punched it and before you know it we were over 90mph. WOW! Incidentally the patient made it.

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