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Old 07-18-2009, 06:46 PM   #1
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Exclamation HELP! Fuel line nut rusted, can't remove fuel filter

On my 2002 GMC, the fuel line nut is rusted to the fuel filter (or maybe to the line; probably both) and I can't free it. I've done lots of whacking with hammers, PB Blaster, Shimano penetrating oil, cold spray, and plenty of brute force.

I've gotten under and sprayed it with the Shimano stuff every day for a week. I just got the PB Blaster today.

I don't think I can reasonably heat it, nor grind off the filter's nut, since I'm working with fuel line.

Any other ideas? It's starting to look like I'll have to replace the fuel line. :(
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On my 2002 GMC, the fuel line nut is rusted to the fuel filter (or maybe to the line; probably both) and I can't free it. I've done lots of whacking with hammers, PB Blaster, Shimano penetrating oil, cold spray, and plenty of brute force.

I've gotten under and sprayed it with the Shimano stuff every day for a week. I just got the PB Blaster today.

I don't think I can reasonably heat it, nor grind off the filter's nut, since I'm working with fuel line.

Any other ideas? It's starting to look like I'll have to replace the fuel line. :(
Some great quotes in your Tags. Idk? Replacing fuel line sounds best.
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I think you are not using enough elbow grease. you are turning the nut the correct way and holding the other one still correct? (jw.)
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Good thoughts. I am holding one and turning the other, and doing it all in the correct direction -- unless it's reverse threaded, but the new filter isn't so the parts store or Purolator would have had to make a mistake. I'm using plenty of elbow grease (so much that I'm afraid that even the flare wrench will round the nut).

I was able to remove the front/outbound connection, but the rear/inbound connection won't budge at all.

I'm posting on every forum I use, out of desparation...I did get one good suggestion on another forum: Since I may have to give up and declare that fuel line a loss, maybe I could remove said fuel line still attached to the filter and work on it while it's not attached to the truck. Then I could clear it of fuel and use heat.
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Old 07-18-2009, 07:53 PM   #5
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Let the penetrating oil sit on it for an hour or so. That should loosen it. I used Ballistol as a penetrant on my '02 Silverado fuel filter nut this year. Came right off.
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Good thoughts. I am holding one and turning the other, and doing it all in the correct direction -- unless it's reverse threaded, but the new filter isn't so the parts store or Purolator would have had to make a mistake. I'm using plenty of elbow grease (so much that I'm afraid that even the flare wrench will round the nut).

I was able to remove the front/outbound connection, but the rear/inbound connection won't budge at all.

I'm posting on every forum I use, out of desparation...I did get one good suggestion on another forum: Since I may have to give up and declare that fuel line a loss, maybe I could remove said fuel line still attached to the filter and work on it while it's not attached to the truck. Then I could clear it of fuel and use heat.
you are reorienting yourself when you switched to the other side right?

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Yup, I am reorienting myself to make sure I'm turning stuff in the correct direction.

I've let the penetrating oil soak in repeatedly, daily for the last week. :(

Anyone know where I can look up my fuel line part number online and maybe order it? Rockauto.com doesn't seem to list it.
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Yup, I am reorienting myself to make sure I'm turning stuff in the correct direction.

I've let the penetrating oil soak in repeatedly, daily for the last week. :(

Anyone know where I can look up my fuel line part number online and maybe order it? Rockauto.com doesn't seem to list it.

www.gmpartsdirect.com

(and I believe they are offering a discount to Camaro5 members)

*edit* here it is...
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Old 07-18-2009, 08:28 PM   #9
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Already checked gmpartsdirect.com - the fuel system parts categories they offer are:
Cap, Connector hose, Filler pipe, Fuel pocket, Fuel strainer, Fuel tank, Heat shield, Module, Pressure sensor, Seal, Sending unit, Strap
If I click "Connector hose", which is the closest to being a hard line in that list, it says No items were found in this catagory. A search for "fuel line" returns nothing.

I guess I have to wait for a dealer to be open. Damnit, I want instant gratification!
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Hit the local salvage yard. Might even be able to find an online salvage that has one.

Call your local junkyard and ask for the part with your vehicle info. They normally can tell you if they have the lines in stock.
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Good thoughts. I am holding one and turning the other, and doing it all in the correct direction -- unless it's reverse threaded, but the new filter isn't so the parts store or Purolator would have had to make a mistake. I'm using plenty of elbow grease (so much that I'm afraid that even the flare wrench will round the nut).

I was able to remove the front/outbound connection, but the rear/inbound connection won't budge at all.

I'm posting on every forum I use, out of desparation...I did get one good suggestion on another forum:

Since I may have to give up and declare that fuel line a loss

, maybe I could remove said fuel line still attached to the filter and work on it while it's not attached to the truck. Then I could clear it of fuel and use heat.
If it may be a loss anyway, why not try a medium size pair of Vise-Grips on the line nut, and the filter nut. A little impact from a hammer on the tool has worked for me.

They also make fuel line repair kits that may help.



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I'm not sure how vise-grips would help. My flare wrench has a good grip on the nut already and I've tried hitting it with a hammer.

I would consider the repair kit but I think it requires a few inches of straight line where it can be cut and spliced; my line has a bend right next to the filter. It looks just like the image that Spike posted above, and it's the left side of that image that I can't get undone.

In that image, the small nut is around the line and should turn freely of the line; the large nut is welded to the filter body. Unfortunately, you can't just crank the hell out of one nut; doing so will twist the whole assembly and break the line. You have to hold one nut and turn the other (or turn them against eachother).

I'm using proper flare wrenches:

which provide a good grip that won't slip or round the nut. I've managed to brace it against the frame in such a way that I can whack it with a hammer to make it turn and it didn't seem to get anywhere.
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Old 07-19-2009, 06:51 AM   #13
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When you say you are using penetrating oil, I hope you are not using WD-30 :LOL:
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No he mentioned PB blaster, which is the best one imo, in his OP.

If that does not work no juice will. Either brute force or replace lines.
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No he mentioned PB blaster, which is the best one imo, in his OP.

If that does not work no juice will. Either brute force or replace lines.
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Hooray!

I got it loose! As Slaid Cleaves said in "Drinkin' Days", sometimes you gotta act like you've got a pair. So, I made a bid for the Darwin Awards.

I cut into the fuel filter's nut, slotting it with my dremel's diamond cutoff wheel most of the way to the thread. Some sparks flew but not a lot. I had wiped up the area so there were no pools/drops of fuel around. I couldn't get all the way across the width of the nut but two corner cuts did the job. It wasn't enough to crack the nut but it relieved enough stress on the nut for me to brute-force the nuts until they were persuaded to cooperate.

For how badly it was stuck, the threads sure look clean and uncorroded. WTF?

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I don't think I can reasonably heat it, nor grind off the filter's nut, since I'm working with fuel line.
That's my "Renew Faith in Humanity" quote of the week. It is sad how few people would come to that realization. An Anti-Darwin award to you.

Edit: And of course I don't read the entire thread before posting, and now I see you succeeded by making a Darwin award attempt. Glad you got it off without blowing yourself up. Shame on me for not reading the thread.
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When I was young, my dad often did stupid stuff and told me not to do it like him, that when I do things I should do them properly. Well, sometimes I have to just get the job done. At least I didn't do it ignorantly, I knew I was going for a Darwin award.

The diamond cutoff doesn't throw a lot of sparks at 10,000RPM.

Nobody should try to do what I did. It could cause a huge explosion and get you killed, or even worse.
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Gratz on getting it off!

I have been using one of those WD40 felt tip pens on nuts like that. Push it once on the thread and wipe around then assemble. Protects from corrosion like that you can see it on the 1st thread there.
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For how badly it was stuck, the threads sure look clean and uncorroded. WTF?
well, after looking back at the picture (and on my buddies Yukon), I'm wondering if, with the bend right after the nut and the angle of the tubing if it was putting extra pressure on the nuts. just a thought.
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Could be. I got the front/outbound nut off relatively easily, but when I felt like giving up on the other one I thought I'd try to screw the front one back in and drive it to a professional. Well, it didn't want to screw back in at all!

I haven't yet put the new filter on and can't say if it will all go back together nicely. This filter change is part of a project to remove some contaminated gas that my truck wouldn't run on. Right now there's probably 3 gallons unaccounted for, and I can't get them out with the fuel pump or with a siphon tube. :(
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Could be. I got the front/outbound nut off relatively easily, but when I felt like giving up on the other one I thought I'd try to screw the front one back in and drive it to a professional. Well, it didn't want to screw back in at all!

I haven't yet put the new filter on and can't say if it will all go back together nicely. This filter change is part of a project to remove some contaminated gas that my truck wouldn't run on. Right now there's probably 3 gallons unaccounted for, and I can't get them out with the fuel pump or with a siphon tube. :(
Why cant you get it out with the fuel pump?

pull the one line from the filter and drop it into a tank, turn the key on, and let it drain
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