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Old 06-19-2008, 10:59 AM   #1
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Angry The Toyota you DON'T know.

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Toyota Linked to Human Trafficking and Sweatshop Abuses
Toyota May Be a Shade Greener Environmentally but has badly stumbled with Human Rights Abuses

NEW YORK, June 18 -- Today the National Labor Committee (NLC) is releasing a 65-page report, "The Toyota You Don't Know" documenting serious human rights violations by the Toyota Motor Company, which will disturb most Americans.

"Celebrities like Julia Roberts, Leonardo DiCaprio, Brad Pit, Bill Maher and others have led the way in turning Toyota's Prius into a symbol of concern for our environment," said Charles Kernaghan, director of the NLC, "We hope that these same celebrities will now also challenge Toyota to improve its respect for human and worker rights. As a start, Toyota should cut its ties to the Burmese dictators and end the exploitation of foreign guest workers trafficked to Japan."

* Toyota linked to human trafficking and sweatshop abuse: Toyota's much admired "Just in Time" auto parts supply chain is riddled with sweatshop abuse, including the trafficking of foreign guest workers, mostly from China and Vietnam to Japan, who are stripped of their passports and often forced to work--including at subcontract plants supplying Toyota--16 hours a day, seven days a week, while being paid less than half the legal minimum wage. Guest workers who complain about abusive conditions are deported.

* Prius made by low-wage temps: Fully one-third--10,000--of all Toyota assembly line workers in Japan are low-wage temps who have few rights and earn less than 60% of what full time workers do.

* Unpaid overtime and "overworked" to death: Mr. Kenichi Uchino was just 30 years old when he died of overwork on an assembly line at Toyota's Prius plant, leaving behind his young wife and two children. Mr. Uchino routinely worked 13 to 14 hours a day, putting in 106 1/2 to 155 hours of overtime--depending on whether work taken home was counted--in the 30 days leading up to his death. Toyota claimed that he had only worked 45 hours of overtime and that the other 61 1/2 to 110 hours were "voluntary" and unpaid. His wife had to go to court -- which ruled that Mr. Uchino was overworked to death -- to win a pension for their children.

* Ties to Burmese dictators: Toyota, through the Toyota Tsusho Corporation, which is part of the Toyota Group of Companies, is involved in several joint business ventures with the ruthless military regime in Burma. The dictators use these revenues to repress and torture the people of Burma.

* Toyota and the race to the bottom: Toyota is imposing its two-tier, low wage model at its non-union plants in the south of the United States, which will result in wages and benefits being slashed across the entire auto industry.

The National Labor Committee recently documented how the U.S.-Jordan Free Trade Agreement descended into human trafficking with tens of thousands of foreign guest workers held under conditions of involuntary servitude.
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hmm, chalk up one more reason...or rather, four more reasons for me not to buy a Toyota.
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Old 06-19-2008, 11:06 AM   #2
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Old 06-19-2008, 11:28 AM   #3
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Ban on Toyo-tuh.

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Old 06-19-2008, 12:20 PM   #4
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Stuff like this needs to hit CNN.
we both know it probably won't. and even if it did it would be a blurp.
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I knew about people being worked to death, its uncomfortably common over there. They have a word for it. But the links to dictatorships, thats news to me.
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Ive always said it and Ill say it again...I HATE TOYOTA!
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Old 06-19-2008, 01:15 PM   #7
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I will never buy a Toyota after this. I am outraged.
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Ban on Toyo-tuh.

Stuff like this needs to hit CNN.
Right on Tag, I agree.
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Old 06-19-2008, 02:21 PM   #9
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Holy ***t.

I'll never buy a Toyota. I hope my girlfriend will rethink her Yaris fascination.
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Old 06-19-2008, 02:24 PM   #10
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The liberal media doesn't want to remind anyone what goes on in a socialist country. They want America to become the same for some unknown reason. That is why you won't hear much about this. It will go in the trash with the scientific data that shows "global warming" as a natural event and has nothing to do with human activity.
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Old 06-19-2008, 02:35 PM   #11
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and this surprises people? did anyone think that a company could come from almost nothing to number one, or close to number one, in less than 70 years without abusing some rights? ask WAL MART how they got so big and you'll find the same kind of abuses in their closet.

it takes alot of time to make yourself big legitimately... GM has been in business for 100 years... they're the 5th largest corporation on the planet... you dont do what Toyota has done in 60 years without some kind of abuses.

people always ask me why I dont buy anything but American, American made or English cars, and the reason I give them is this:
"we, as Americans, have a job to do that nobody wants to take seriously: supporting our own position in the world... we're the leaders of the free world... America is where the world comes to get educated and strive for a dream of betterment... but we, as a whole, buy cars built by companies that are built by former Axis powers, import products from countries that treat their citizens and employees like slaves, and then get mad when the rest of the world thinks we're hypocritical and ignorant... we are ignorant, and its time for it to stop... if the car wasn't built on American soil, we need to not buy it... even better if its built by a corporation that is based inside of the continental US... Honda and Mazda are exceptions to my rule, since they are companies that were not in existence during WWII or are currently co-owned by an American company... realizing that we have to be more attentive to where our money goes is going to be the start of us freeing ourselves of the shackles of global dependence... and who knows, we might actually learn to like the items we buy in the process... might find out that GM, Ford and Chrysler still make good cars... and might make life a little bit easier for a plant worker building cars, trucks or auto parts for one of these companies, too."
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The liberal media doesn't want to remind anyone what goes on in a socialist country. They want America to become the same for some unknown reason. That is why you won't hear much about this. It will go in the trash with the scientific data that shows "global warming" as a natural event and has nothing to do with human activity.
Don't blame the so-called "liberal" media—the same media that ripped on Clinton for all his years in the White House. The media is occupied with the significant portion of the Midwest that is suddenly under water.

Moreover, global warming is part of a natural cycle that happens approximately ever 10 thousand years. This is the first time that extra pollution is involved. Those toxins are proven to be bad and will make this cycle worse than the last one. How much worse is up to how much pollution is in the world by the time it happens. Right now, the prospects aren't great, but they aren't catastrophic either. In other words, the people that say global warming is all-natural are wrong and so are the people that say global warming in a human phenomenon. That makes just about everyone wrong on the issue.
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@SilverTurtle: there are countries beside USA where citizens and employees are treated good. Hell, in some of them even better than in the US. Will you ditch american cars after I give you some examples?
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Old 06-19-2008, 05:07 PM   #14
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@SilverTurtle: there are countries beside USA where citizens and employees are treated good. Hell, in some of them even better than in the US. Will you ditch American cars after I give you some examples?
Possibly. Holla!!!

I know in Germany (or at least it comes off this way) auto assembly line workers are treated quite well and given consideration as far as their benefits, etc. Then again you could say that for almost any European country since their goverment is so incredibly different from ours.

Truth is this is still speculative, and you guys may see it as so wrong (which to an extent it is) but you really need to study and know the Japanese culture before you make such harsh judgments. Not only that, but don't forget GM, Ford and Chrysler are no saints either in regards to assembly line worker treatment. Something is definitely wrong when the CEO of the company you're contracted to work for is taking more money home when the company he's running is losing money.
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Old 06-19-2008, 06:05 PM   #15
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I think it's more about seriously studying the given case(s) without too powerful generalisation / creating stereotypes. Generalisation understood in this way is bad, mmm'kay?

That's the part of SilverTurtle's post that triggered my reaction. I don't think statements like "US car companies are good to their employees and freedom, in other countries the car companies are bad and run sweatshops" can be even considered remotely true.
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Old 06-19-2008, 10:53 PM   #16
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@SilverTurtle: there are countries beside USA where citizens and employees are treated good. Hell, in some of them even better than in the US. Will you ditch american cars after I give you some examples?
I think that part of his problem is that Mitsubishi built fighters for the Japanese, Porsche built tanks and trucks for the Germans (so did every other German make -including Opel who is now owned by GM), Hitler help style the VW Beetle, Fiat built fighters for the Italians and the list goes on. The North American auto makers made tanks, trucks and jeeps (most jeeps were made by Ford), Rolls Royce made engines for aircraft (still do), and the list goes on for the allies too. But the allies were the good guys.

But thats only part of what he said. I will let him go on about the rest.
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Old 06-19-2008, 10:57 PM   #17
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This is outrageous. Its bad enough coming from a company I already hated, but even if GM did something like this they would lose my business on principle. I have nothing against Japanese cars. There are plenty of Mazdas, Hondas, Subies, and Mitsus I'd love to have. I do have everything against Toy-ota, and now I have one more reason to loath them.
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Old 06-19-2008, 11:23 PM   #18
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I was looking at possibly getting a Toyota in the event that I cannot get me a new Camaro. After reading this, I am seriously reconsidering that. I have no problems with Japanese cars as a whole, my wife and I bought a Mazda a few months ago, but if this information is entirely true then Toyota needs to look at its practices and make some serious changes.
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where's the link to the original story?
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In the original post, now....sorry 'bout that!
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and you guys wonder why toyotas are cheap...


shoot them all and be done with it.
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Possibly. Holla!!!

I know in Germany (or at least it comes off this way) auto assembly line workers are treated quite well and given consideration as far as their benefits, etc. Then again you could say that for almost any European country since their goverment is so incredibly different from ours.

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I think it's more about seriously studying the given case(s) without too powerful generalisation / creating stereotypes. Generalisation understood in this way is bad, mmm'kay?

That's the part of SilverTurtle's post that triggered my reaction. I don't think statements like "US car companies are good to their employees and freedom, in other countries the car companies are bad and run sweatshops" can be even considered remotely true.
you have both missed the point of my post, probably because you are not as well educated on this topic as you think you are.

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I think that part of his problem is that Mitsubishi built fighters for the Japanese, Porsche built tanks and trucks for the Germans (so did every other German make -including Opel who is now owned by GM), Hitler help style the VW Beetle, Fiat built fighters for the Italians and the list goes on. The North American auto makers made tanks, trucks and jeeps (most jeeps were made by Ford), Rolls Royce made engines for aircraft (still do), and the list goes on for the allies too. But the allies were the good guys.

But thats only part of what he said. I will let him go on about the rest.
and you have nailed it right on the head, giving me faith that people actually do know the past and might actually be learning from it.
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Has anyone found another report by a different group with the same out come? being that I hate toyota I think this proves my point, but at the same time I don't want people to actually jump on this and this be a fictisious made up facts report. AS of right now in my mind doesn't matter what this article says because I want a deeper investigation by a different group. and even if I got that there are fan boys that would still cry BS if toyota was truthfully linked to this. doesn't matter how bad a company/country/product is there are people that will live in denial. I.E. my gf loves her toyotas.
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http://www.nlcnet.org/article.php?id=562
You could try here...

You could also read about this. The guy who was overworked and died -- very true story:
http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/283048
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You could try here...

You could also read about this. The guy who was overworked and died -- very true story:
http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/283048
I don't doubt the death. I'm talking about a seperate organization not linked to NLC to come up with the facts.

the more organizations that have the facts and can verify if it's true or not people are more likely to believe it.
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