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Old 07-19-2009, 11:09 AM   #1
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Raced a Cobalt SS with alot of mods last night.....

So I pull up to the line at our local track next to a black Cobalt SS. We take off and I can tell immediately that it is not stock from the turbo sounds as he shifts. I took him off the line and all the way down the track about 3 times in a row. Then the last time we finish neck and neck or he may have won by a hair and I ask him what he has done to his car. He doesn't tell me other than to say it's not stock, but I can smell the spray he just used to keep up with my SS. So I say to him, what a pity you had to use spray just to keep up with all the mods you did to the car vs. a 100% stock Camaro 2SS. I liked the car but he was a jerk. Glad I pulled him 3 times before spray. i just hate when people use spray in everyday cars. I am one of those guys that likes to rebuild things or add superchargers, but never spray. Spray just seems so cheap and wussy to me. Yeah it may give you a good boost, but who cares. Show something and build it. Just thought I would share and rant a bit.
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Old 07-19-2009, 11:28 AM   #2
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yea some cobalt owners are d***heads. alot of them are good headed guys(coming from that platform)....there are alot of gto haters so i expect the camaro will be the same. good race though....but i guarantee he doesnt have more than maybe 6k in mods(performance) however...they are a fast car, and given you can pick up one for cheap(got mine for under 20k brand new)...youl really suprise people
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So I pull up to the line at our local track next to a black Cobalt SS. We take off and I can tell immediately that it is not stock from the turbo sounds as he shifts. I took him off the line and all the way down the track about 3 times in a row. Then the last time we finish neck and neck or he may have won by a hair and I ask him what he has done to his car. He doesn't tell me other than to say it's not stock, but I can smell the spray he just used to keep up with my SS. So I say to him, what a pity you had to use spray just to keep up with all the mods you did to the car vs. a 100% stock Camaro 2SS. I liked the car but he was a jerk. Glad I pulled him 3 times before spray. i just hate when people use spray in everyday cars. I am one of those guys that likes to rebuild things or add superchargers, but never spray. Spray just seems so cheap and wussy to me. Yeah it may give you a good boost, but who cares. Show something and build it. Just thought I would share and rant a bit.

Hey Lee I always see you posting about going to the track. Do you have any vids? I would like to see how the L99 gets down
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I believe his "local track" is a play on words.

I know when I go to the track- I never worry that much about the car beside me, nor can I pay that much attention to car lengths etc.

I think the lack of 60' discussion, lack of 1/4 times and mph makes this seem like the Local track isn't a "track" at all.
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Old 07-19-2009, 12:57 PM   #6
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Most Cobalt owners are jackasses.

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The SS/TC with a downpipe, hard charge piping, a three inch exhaust and an aggressive tune will trap 112-114 and run mid to low 12s depending on driver.
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I am in favor of supercharging and then spraying
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Old 07-19-2009, 03:59 PM   #10
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I believe his "local track" is a play on words.

I know when I go to the track- I never worry that much about the car beside me, nor can I pay that much attention to car lengths etc.

I think the lack of 60' discussion, lack of 1/4 times and mph makes this seem like the Local track isn't a "track" at all.

HAHA yeah kinda a given when he says were were neck n neck or he may have even won. seems to me you would know if you won the round or not
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Yeah. The timeslips at the track would tell you. Looks like we have a street racer who wanted to post his story.
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Old 07-19-2009, 05:14 PM   #12
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Yeah. The timeslips at the track would tell you. Looks like we have a street racer who wanted to post his story.


also...nitrous oxide is odorless, awesome job being able to smell it
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Yeah. The timeslips at the track would tell you. Looks like we have a street racer who wanted to post his story.
Local track actually does have a No ET night...
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also...nitrous oxide is odorless, awesome job being able to smell it
Most gases that are odorless have additives which give them a unique smell, this way you know if you have a leak. (safety issue) -- Not sure about Nitrous Oxide for car use?
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Most gases that are odorless have additives which give them a unique smell, this way you know if you have a leak. (safety issue) -- Not sure about Nitrous Oxide for car use?
They weren't doing any times. They usually only do times on Fridays. Saturdays are more of a fun time where people just get together, have some good food, show off their cars. It is more of a family atmosphere. They have also had some problems with people there complaining about issues with the timers there. I don't have any videos because I am usually there by myself since my wife deployed a couple weeks ago. I either meet up with some other GTO or Camaro guys or just race a bit and go home. It is only 10 bucks to race for the night so it is something to do. I actually haven't met too many jackasses in Cobalts, they are usually pretty cool guys. Just not the car for me. Just got the greenlight from the wifey for a supercharger so hopefully the next time I will have it and can take some vids. I don't even have a video camera so hopefully someone I know does. And yes I do street race..........so does everyone else here. No biggie when it is on a highway at 2am with no one on the road. Please spare me the someone could die speeches. But this was not a street race. The L99 runs as strong as the LS3 contrary to some on this site. I have beaten some LS3s and been beaten by some LS3s. It is a drivers race all the way. But I definitely smelled a gas from his car, if it wasn't spray then I have no idea what it was. And I know without spray, as bad as I beat him the times before, there would have been no way that he could have kept up. I took him by like 2 car lengths each time looking in my mirrors. Believe me if you want to. Why do so many on here hate on others.....jeez.
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Old 07-19-2009, 08:44 PM   #16
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Old 07-19-2009, 09:12 PM   #17
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Wow I love how everybody jumps on this guy saying he's street racing yada yada yada trying to give him $hit when hes just trying to share his experience racing another car, calm down people...

There is a shoot first ask questions later attitude on this site sometimes, I think people need to get all the facts before they chastise anyone
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I wasn't on him about street racing at all, I was simply saying his story sounded more like a street race that got changed to sound like a track race so the he conformed to site rules.
I could give two sh**ts what he does with his car

Hell I have raced my G8 a time or two on the streets, and If I had a Camaro, I would be doing the same.

And why quote my NOS discussion as the basis to go on your little rant??

That is cool your track opens the doors for races like that, but if you are going through the trouble of tech'ing people in, and lining cars up, and having a safety crew available, why not give a time slip to the runners?
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Old 07-22-2009, 01:55 AM   #19
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They weren't doing any times. They usually only do times on Fridays. Saturdays are more of a fun time where people just get together, have some good food, show off their cars. It is more of a family atmosphere. They have also had some problems with people there complaining about issues with the timers there. I don't have any videos because I am usually there by myself since my wife deployed a couple weeks ago. I either meet up with some other GTO or Camaro guys or just race a bit and go home. It is only 10 bucks to race for the night so it is something to do. I actually haven't met too many jackasses in Cobalts, they are usually pretty cool guys. Just not the car for me. Just got the greenlight from the wifey for a supercharger so hopefully the next time I will have it and can take some vids. I don't even have a video camera so hopefully someone I know does. And yes I do street race..........so does everyone else here. No biggie when it is on a highway at 2am with no one on the road. Please spare me the someone could die speeches. But this was not a street race. The L99 runs as strong as the LS3 contrary to some on this site. I have beaten some LS3s and been beaten by some LS3s. It is a drivers race all the way. But I definitely smelled a gas from his car, if it wasn't spray then I have no idea what it was. And I know without spray, as bad as I beat him the times before, there would have been no way that he could have kept up. I took him by like 2 car lengths each time looking in my mirrors. Believe me if you want to. Why do so many on here hate on others.....jeez.
some of the supercharged cobalts run alcohol and methonal injection, that might have been what you were smelling.
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some of the supercharged cobalts run alcohol and methonal injection, that might have been what you were smelling.
Most just run a 70/30 mix of water and meth or even just windsheild washer fluid. It cools down the high intake temps from the very inefficient little eaton blower being way over spun! lol Very cool sound of a small pulley (2.8-2.6 inch) on an eaton, sounds like killing cats as you run down the track.

I own a Cobalt and I'm not an asshole, I would have talked to you for sure If it was me.

This cobalt you raced was a newer turbo? I'd love to race an SS Camaro in my Supercharged Cobaltsoon, still havent seen a camaro at bandimere... :( Should be a good match and at leats fun!

PS: you can't smell nitrous at all, odorless gas... Only way to know is looking under the hood or in the trunk.
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Most Cobalt owners are out to get one another.

Just look at the LNF vs. LSJ rivalry
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Well, I def smelled something coming from his exhaust afterwards when we were coasting to go park. It looked like one of the newer ones. It was really easy to take it off the line the first times. I took off and led by at least 2 or 3 lengths. The last time he was able to catch up like he had a boost of some kind that he didn't have the first few times. I know I wasn't going any slower than before. I launched the same and finished the same. I am 100% sure he had more than just a S/C. But hey, still got the win at least 3 out of 4 assuming he actually did win the photo finish and I am at 100% stock. I am putting a S/C on mine next year so I wonder if it is this fast now, how it will be then.
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Sounded like it had turbo. Made that sound when he was shifting. Didn't seem to have the whine while moving. Look, I know nothing about Cobalts other than I didnt want one over my Camaro. I drive Trans Ams, Camaros, GTOs, etc........never had a car like a cobalt and never wanted one. Never had a turbo or S/C car so don't really know the difference. When I make my cars faster I rebuild engines or drop a stroker kit in. This S/C will be my first on my 2SS. Not deaf, just very badly informed on Cobalts, Neons, and that class of cars.
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