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Old 12-10-2013, 10:08 PM   #1
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I need help beating my twin brothers 2013 srt8 charger

So i have a 2011 stock camaro ss. I have a twin brother that just got a 2013 srt8 charger. His car beats mine by half a second. His stock has 475 hp i believe while mine has 400 hp. I am wanting to get my camaro to 550 hp to 600 hp with bolt ons alone. I do one day want to turbo charge it. But not today lol. Anyway. What's a good start? As far as modifications. I grew up with 6 cylinder turbo charged cars. So i am new to the 6.2 L camaro's but little to say. I finally have my dream car =) Now she just needs a little meaner side!
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Old 12-10-2013, 10:13 PM   #2
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550-600 hp might be hard with just bolt ons. About beating your brother, that shouldn't be hard at all. All you'd need are the basics. An intake, some headers and a tune should get you there.
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I'm curious where you got that he beats you by .5 second. Your talking about the 1/4?I'm sure I'll get corrected but a stock l99 and ls3 can beat a charger. It's really a drivers race and an auto is gonna be easy to go down the track. A good tune on its own would give you a more responsive car, enough improvement to beat him


The cheapest way to 550 rwhp is a sc or turbo. You're not gonna get there with bolt ons

You can get to 475 with bolt ons quickly but a tune will be a must out of the gate.

Look at tl header, intake and a cam.

Depending how you do it and who installs parts you can add 75-100 rwhp fairly cheap and would crush him. Next I'd go with some suspension to keep the tires on the ground. Look and some trailing arms

Honestly you could spend $500 on headers, a few hundred on intake and $500 on a cam and be well ahead. Tune is gonna cost a few hundred more.
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550-600 hp might be hard with just bolt ons. About beating your brother, that shouldn't be hard at all. All you'd need are the basics. An intake, some headers and a tune should get you there.
It'll be hard but is it possible? Also just an instake and some headers? Any good websites? And thank you Scamaro!
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Old 12-10-2013, 10:25 PM   #5
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I'm curious where you got that he beats you by .5 second. Your talking about the 1/4?I'm sure I'll get corrected but a stock l99 and ls3 can beat a charger. It's really a drivers race and an auto is gonna be easy to go down the track. A good tune on its own would give you a more responsive car, enough improvement to beat him


The cheapest way to 550 rwhp is a sc or turbo. You're not gonna get there with bolt ons

You can get to 475 with bolt ons quickly but a tune will be a must out of the gate.

Look at tl header, intake and a cam.

Depending how you do it and who installs parts you can add 75-100 rwhp fairly cheap and would crush him. Next I'd go with some suspension to keep the tires on the ground. Look and some trailing arms

Honestly you could spend $500 on headers, a few hundred on intake and $500 on a cam and be well ahead. Tune is gonna cost a few hundred more.
I'm talking about the 1/8 mile actually last time i ran a 8.9 and he ran a 8.4 And this is stock vs stock. His does come with more horsepower. And i will definitely look into that... A few hundred dollars is worth it to me! What are some good brands?
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Old 12-10-2013, 10:27 PM   #6
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Check out Texas Speed, short drive for you.
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Old 12-10-2013, 10:40 PM   #7
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So i have a 2011 stock camaro ss. I have a twin brother that just got a 2013 srt8 charger. His car beats mine by half a second. His stock has 475 hp i believe while mine has 400 hp. I am wanting to get my camaro to 550 hp to 600 hp with bolt ons alone. I do one day want to turbo charge it. But not today lol. Anyway. What's a good start? As far as modifications. I grew up with 6 cylinder turbo charged cars. So i am new to the 6.2 L camaro's but little to say. I finally have my dream car =) Now she just needs a little meaner side!
I assume you have an A6 since you said 400 hp. That said you won't get to 550 with bolt-ons. I went from 320 rwhp to 370 rwhp with a Cai Brand intake, air scoop, stepped headers, high flow cats and a tune. This would work out to 460 hp according to Chevy (I am projecting a 20% drive train loss). If you check out the v8 bolt on forum you'll see my results are fairly typical. Good luck with your new challenge!
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Old 12-10-2013, 11:16 PM   #8
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Old 12-10-2013, 11:31 PM   #9
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A new ZL1 will sure do it.
It would but I'd rather put my own sc in it and my own modifications but thats me
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I'm talking about the 1/8 mile actually last time i ran a 8.9 and he ran a 8.4 And this is stock vs stock. His does come with more horsepower. And i will definitely look into that... A few hundred dollars is worth it to me! What are some good brands?
There are lots of different brands and lots of opinions. You'll want to research before buying a bunch of stuff. My headers alone recently ran $1350.

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Like LSCamaro said....intake, headers, tune plus a torque converter and you'll be smoking him easily. Add some drag radials and you'll be all over him without an issue at all.

There should be some performance shops in your area. Worst case you can make a trip here to Dallas and we have plenty of options. Cheapest way would be to get some headers of your choice (KOOKS, Stainless Works, Dynatec, Texas Speed, etc), get a friend to help you install them, add an intake (preferably with a scoop), and get a mail order tune from someone like Jannetty Racing or Matt@FSP.
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Old 12-11-2013, 12:06 AM   #12
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Like LSCamaro said....intake, headers, tune plus a torque converter and you'll be smoking him easily. Add some drag radials and you'll be all over him without an issue at all.

There should be some performance shops in your area. Worst case you can make a trip here to Dallas and we have plenty of options. Cheapest way would be to get some headers of your choice (KOOKS, Stainless Works, Dynatec, Texas Speed, etc), get a friend to help you install them, add an intake (preferably with a scoop), and get a mail order tune from someone like Jannetty Racing or Matt@FSP.
Thanks! I'll definitely buy the headers then an intake then a cam... I'll keep you guys updated
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Thanks! I'll definitely buy the headers then an intake then a cam... I'll keep you guys updated
Can you install these things. Shops charge about 10 hours for cam install. My local rate is $125 an hour.

Just saying....get a plan.
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Old 12-11-2013, 12:50 AM   #14
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Thanks! I'll definitely buy the headers then an intake then a cam... I'll keep you guys updated

Headers, intake, cam & tune should make for a good race. Those 392 Chargers are mid 12s or faster stock.
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Headers, intake, cam & tune should make for a good race. Those 392 Chargers are mid 12s or faster stock.
A tune alone would take the charger. He's also running 1/8's

I agree headers, intake, cam, tune....but at that point he's gonna be destroying that charger. It won't even be a good race
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Take the difference in sticker price between his car and yours and put it into the Camaro and he won't have a chance.
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So i have a 2011 stock camaro ss. I have a twin brother that just got a 2013 srt8 charger. His car beats mine by half a second. His stock has 475 hp i believe while mine has 400 hp. I am wanting to get my camaro to 550 hp to 600 hp with bolt ons alone. I do one day want to turbo charge it. But not today lol. Anyway. What's a good start? As far as modifications. I grew up with 6 cylinder turbo charged cars. So i am new to the 6.2 L camaro's but little to say. I finally have my dream car =) Now she just needs a little meaner side!
Congratulations on the car man. I am pretty sure a set of headers, CAI, and a tune with a proper launch and good tires should make you beat him easily I wouldn't try racing him anytime soon with the weather we are having
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Check out Texas Speed, short drive for you.
sadly I don't think they do installs anymore they do tune though. That what I heard when I went by and picked up a set of their header.
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A tune alone would take the charger. He's also running 1/8's

I agree headers, intake, cam, tune....but at that point he's gonna be destroying that charger. It won't even be a good race
The only way a L99 Camaro + tune will beat a 392(6.4L) Charger SRT8 is if the Charger driver goes up in smoke. The L99 Camaro + tune won't even beat a stock 6.1L from my own personal experience since I own one of each.

The 392 has more power thru the whole power band than even the LS3 let alone the L99. A L99 + tune still has less power than a stock LS3.

Here's a 392 vs LS3


Here's a L99 stock vs tune
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Supercharger package gets you there the quickest, but I'd say go for bolt on's and a tune & see how you do. I don't know that it's HP that you need or rather the right HP/Tq to weight ratio.
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this is a silly thread. go play video games or go xmas shoppin or something
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The 11/13 SRT8 Chargers are capable of 12:40s @ 114 mph in the 1/4. You are going to need good tune, headers, CAI, and possibly DRs to catch him.
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As other`s have stated a tune, CAI, long tube header`s are a good start, but you really also should consider changing your gears from the current 3.27`s to about a 3.90 ratio and changing your torque converter to a TCI Streetfighter (would be my choice) the torque converter should give the car a stall of between 3,000 and 3,200 RPM depending on just how much torque the engine is making. a tune will also tighten up and change your shift points. A front brake line lock would also be helpful.

Good luck and may the financial gods be with you.
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The 11/13 SRT8 Chargers are capable of 12:40s @ 114 mph in the 1/4. You are going to need good tune, headers, CAI, and possibly DRs to catch him.
yup!

i cut a 12.2 with an intake, headers, exhaust tune and DR's. i feel like there was more to be had but i only got a few runs in.
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Weird that camaro drops 50 hp to the wheels and the charger only drops 20 on that graph.

Looks like a 470 hp hit 450 rwhp, and a 426 hp hit maybe 375 hp.
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