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Old 03-23-2008, 09:07 PM   #1
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Saw a couple of 135i's in person this weekend...

for the first time. I've complained about how expensive the car is, but upon seeing it in person and walking up then looking down at the sticker, I thought to myself, "$44k? Expensive. This is a really nice car". It didn't bother me that much, still pricey but looking at the car I see and feel the quality. Then I drove away and thought to myself, "I could get the same if not more power and a car with far more road presence with the '10 Camaro". Sure there will be more of them on the road but I'll feel slightly better that I'm spending less money on a brand new car and that I'll be comfortable with the maintenance costs over time (trust me, BMW's "free maintenance" is a gimmick to sell more cars)
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Old 03-23-2008, 09:16 PM   #2
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Yea, 44K for, if i remember right, the turbo six cylinder at 300 hp (0-60 in 5 secs). Not that that great for that money if you ask me. You're paying for the BMW symbol.
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Old 03-23-2008, 09:17 PM   #3
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I no doubt give the 135i props, plus its lighter than the 335i and so will have better performance. It is cool that there are already chips out by vishnu and such for the 335i so it will pretty much be a week after the car is out and people could potentially have better tunes. However, BWM's regardless of their price doesn't seem to reflect in how much time it ends up spending in the shop. I believe the Camaro will be a hit, especially if GMPP is fully behind it for aftermarket support. Can't wait to get FI from them!
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Old 03-23-2008, 09:34 PM   #4
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It is a lot smaller than the 3 series, but barely lighter, and the price is just shy of the 3 series too. It had so much promise, but ultimately fell flat. Too bad.
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Old 03-23-2008, 10:14 PM   #5
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Yea, 44K for, if i remember right, the turbo six cylinder at 300 hp (0-60 in 5 secs). Not that that great for that money if you ask me. You're paying for the BMW symbol.
my same thought..for pretty much alot of the european cars..ya there r some great performers but... mostly ur paying for the symbol on the front of the car..one of the reasons y i like domestics..
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Why bother making them if they're so close to the 3-series? They need to seek lower prices for a 1-series to make it competitive with a different price bracket.
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They also need to bring the real 1 series over - the 3 and 5 door hatchbacks. They look way better and have far more useful space than the absurd and ugly coupe.
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Old 03-24-2008, 11:47 AM   #8
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Exchange rates really don't help and I don't think they're looking to sell a lot of them here. It's more of novelty than an entry level BMW, that's for sure. They could shift 1 series coupe production to SC and give us lower prices but it seems they'd rather build their super lame "S.A.V.'s" here instead because they're what sells.
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Old 03-25-2008, 06:04 PM   #9
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Good read folks!

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BMW 1-series can fly; too bad it's heavy and ugly
Dan Neil / Los Angeles Times


Let's begin with a verity, an undeniable truth that is evident from 3 feet away or from the cold distance of outer space: The new 1-series BMW is ugly. Seriously ugly. Ugly with X-wings locked in attack formation. I know an ugly car when one blows past me at 100 mph.

Ugly cars are unusual, for very good reasons. Auto companies are vast organizations, with billions of dollars invested, and tens of thousands of employees, some of whom can actually pick out their own ties. Also, in an age of computer-aided design, virtual modeling and rapid prototyping, ugly usually can be rooted out and burned at the stake before the first tooling is purchased. Usually.

The 1-series compact coupe (in 135i and 128i trim) is actually the latest in a fairly robust line of ugly cars from the Werks. The coupe model follows three- and five-door versions that have been hugely successful in Europe and the rest of the world since 2004. The styling is a vestige of what BMW then called its "flame surfacing" design vocabulary -- although it has less the incandescence of fire than the weary drape of wet canvas. Or old skin. That's it. The1-series looks like it needs a jowl lift to repair its prolapsed cheeks. With the downward bowed accent lines running along its flanks, this car looks like it has suffered a high-speed hernia. Meanwhile, I search the stars in vain for a reason the designers gave this car a notch-back design -- so that there is a discernible trunk in the back -- when it so plainly aches for a fastback.

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But I'm not so superficial that I would write off the 1-series with some subjective rant about styling. Oh, no. I have other reasons to torpedo this car.

I've always been an advocate of small, premium cars, such as the Audi A3, the Volvo C30 and the Mini Cooper S. And, over the years, as the 3-series has grown into the fully rigged gold-plated showboat it is, I have longed for a smaller, lighter, simpler BMW, something along the lines of the old 2002 or even the 318ti that sold in the U.S. from 1995 to 1999.

Who wants a poor man's BMW? A poor man, that's who.

So, what did I have in mind? I'd like a BMW a foot shorter than a 3-series, half a ton lighter and $10,000 cheaper. I'd like it to have a four-cylinder, high-pressure turbo engine, a six-speed gearbox, and I'd like the whole thing dipped, Achilles-style, in a track-ready minimalism.

And the new 1-series isn't it.

The 135i is, officially, smaller than the 3-series coupe: 8.9 inches shorter and 1.4 inches narrower. But that loss of dimension doesn't get you much except a crick in your neck. Our topped-off 135i test model weighed a portly 3,420 pounds, a mere 137 pounds less than a similarly equipped 335i Coupe.

The reason? It's basically the same car squeezed into an undersized sheet-metal Speedo. The engine -- the unspeakably smooth and ridiculously potent 3.0-liter twin-turbo -- is the same. The front strut suspension and rear multi-link suspension are the same. Ditto the level of upfit and equipment levels. Virtually every interior component, in all its premium, czars-of-Russia glory, has been lifted from the 3-series parts bin. The result is a smaller car that weighs the same. This is not, generally speaking, a good thing.

Worse yet, the 1-series really isn't much of a value proposition. Our test car priced out at $42,325, which is only $4,525 less than an identically optioned, better equipped and infinitely more attractive 335i Coupe. I suppose there are other cost-of-ownership issues such as insurance and so forth, but I think you would have to be slightly mad to choose the 1-series over the otter-sleek and beautiful 3-series. Perhaps only if you can't reach the pedals in the bigger car.

A little shopkeeping: The 1-series will come in coupe and convertible form; automatic or manual transmission; turbocharged, as our test car, or with a naturally aspirated version of the 3.0-liter in-line six cylinder putting out 230 hp and 200 pound-feet of torque. The base price for the 128i coupe is $28,600, more if you want windows and tires.

The convertible 128i starts at $33,875, and the 135 ragtop fetches $39,875.

Is the 135i fast? It's completely and utterly bonkers with acceleration. Squeeze the throttle in first, second, third gear, and it feels like a great big rubber band being launched off the world's thumb. The numerologists at Car and Driver recorded a 0-60 time of 4.7 seconds and a quarter-mile estimated time of 13.3 seconds. That means the 135i is quicker than the last-generation M3, which was clinically psychotic.

Meanwhile, the 135i's engine sound is so ferocious and bittersweet, so carnal and wicked, somebody ought to name a heavy-metal band after it: Velvet Chain Saw.

It's all about the engine: The two turbos are plumbed sequentially so that the small, low-inertia turbo is always spinning and the larger one is ready to pinwheel as rpm climbs, which means engine response is immediate and immense. Like all BMW gas engines these days, it's direct-injection for better efficiency and emissions. And it has wide-authority variable-valve timing, which is to say, the motor doesn't have "peak torque" caused by mechanical and volumetric limitations; instead, it has a mighty torque mesa, a great savanna of twist. Max torque of 300 pound-feet comes on at just 1,400 rpm and stays maxed until 5,000 rpm. Passing acceleration is comparable to, oh, a Ferrari.

Fantastic brakes, awesome steering (hydraulic, whereas most of the BMW line now has electric power steering assist), stupendous grip and dynamic balance. I love the mechanicals of this car. Well, I loved them before they got jammed into this ugly Size 8 Birkenstock.
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