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Old 12-24-2013, 09:50 PM   #1
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Rear subframe bushing inserts

For those who have used the inserts, whose do you have? I can get a decent deal on the BMR ones but I don't know if I want the BMR ones after seeing caverman's review. Anyone else make some that are a little more stout?
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Old 12-24-2013, 09:59 PM   #2
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Inserts or full bushings. If I was to go through the trouble of unbolting the cradle I would just heat the cradle up and push the whole factory bushings out and be done with it.
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Old 12-24-2013, 10:00 PM   #3
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I installed the Pedder's inserts and am very pleased with them. Car feels more planted and predictable.
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Old 12-24-2013, 11:03 PM   #4
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Inserts or full bushings. If I was to go through the trouble of unbolting the cradle I would just heat the cradle up and push the whole factory bushings out and be done with it.
I'm really only looking to do inserts. I'll never make enough power to benefit from a full so would rather not deal with the full bushing replacement.

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I installed the Pedder's inserts and am very pleased with them. Car feels more planted and predictable.
I definitely want pedders inserts but with the current issues their having, I want to have another option in case I can't get theirs
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I've got some used ones. PM me if you're interested.
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Old 12-24-2013, 11:27 PM   #6
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Wonder how you heard about the deal on the BMR ones lol

I am leaning towards inserts since our v6 don't make enough power to reap the full benefits of the actual bushings. What was cavemans review of them?
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I have whiteline. They make pedders, durameter is about as stiff and half the cost. I have the upper rear arm bushes as well and they all seem to work fine.
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Old 12-24-2013, 11:51 PM   #8
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Wonder how you heard about the deal on the BMR ones lol

I am leaning towards inserts since our v6 don't make enough power to reap the full benefits of the actual bushings. What was cavemans review of them?
Bmr and energy are the same. Soft durameter also.
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Inserts or full bushings. If I was to go through the trouble of unbolting the cradle I would just heat the cradle up and push the whole factory bushings out and be done with it.


despite some saying its not worth it because of their power level. Imo the inserts are like a band aid, but I understand why people get them bc they do work. I just believe if you're going to spend the $ to do this particular mod, just get the full bushings and be done with it, never have to worry about it again.

After seeing cavermans review, I'd definitely go with Pfadt or ADM's bushings.
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I deleted my previous post because I found my receipt and I have the Whiteline inserts… Which probably explains why they look like they don't have any wear.
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Old 12-25-2013, 12:34 AM   #12
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Wonder how you heard about the deal on the BMR ones lol

I am leaning towards inserts since our v6 don't make enough power to reap the full benefits of the actual bushings. What was cavemans review of them?
That's not the deal I'm talking about lol. Found a way better one
Caverman took the energy suspension ones out and put in the pedders and states the pedders are way better because they are way stiffer. I believe the thread is titled "Out with Energy... In with Pedders"

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I have whiteline. They make pedders, durameter is about as stiff and half the cost. I have the upper rear arm bushes as well and they all seem to work fine.
That's what I've been hearing as well. Don't know how true it is but if it's nearly as stiff as the pedders bushings, I'll take it.

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despite some saying its not worth it because of their power level. Imo the inserts are like a band aid, but I understand why people get them bc they do work. I just believe if you're going to spend the $ to do this particular mod, just get the full bushings and be done with it, never have to worry about it again.

After seeing cavermans review, I'd definitely go with Pfadt or ADM's bushings.
I too believe the "just spend what u need and be done" but the fact that I'll never touch power levels to even need full poly bushings yet alone full aluminum ones is the reason I don't want the full replacements. Not even supercharged will we ever need them so I don't want to spend 2-3 times more than I need to. I also don't autocross, might in the future but not at this time so I just want something that'll help in drag racing and good for a daily driver too.

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I believe the thread is titled "Out with Energy... In with Pedders"
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^ For what it's worth, I'm over 500 wheel, and the inserts made the biggest improvement. That is, I'm now running Pedders EP1201's, and if the inserts made a 70% improvement, I'd say the EP1201's added another 20%. Even with 500+ WHP, the inserts were impressive. I got the EP1201's for 1/2 price, and to be honest, though they made an improvement, knowing what I know now, and if I had to pay full price, I'd just spend a little more and go solid mount instead.
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^ For what it's worth, I'm over 500 wheel, and the inserts made the biggest improvement. That is, I'm now running Pedders EP1201's, and if the inserts made a 70% improvement, I'd say the EP1201's added another 20%. Even with 500+ WHP, the inserts were impressive. I got the EP1201's for 1/2 price, and to be honest, though they made an improvement, knowing what I know now, and if I had to pay full price, I'd just spend a little more and go solid mount instead.
I completely understand where you're coming from. But current supercharged v6s are making maybe 400 rwhp at best. Hopefully that changes with future better tuning but right now it's what it's at. The inserts are probably good enough for that power. Then I'm NA so I'm making maybe 250 being hopeful right now.
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Yeah, I've got a supercharged SS and the inserts were actually very good. The rear cradle bushings are the same for the LS.
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That's what I've been hearing as well. Don't know how true it is but if it's nearly as stiff as the pedders bushings, I'll take it.
Check with JDP as they told me what the numbers were. I think whiteline was 4 to 5 points less in durameter as Pedders, though for now pedders may be a moot point
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That's what I've been hearing as well. Don't know how true it is but if it's nearly as stiff as the pedders bushings, I'll take it.
Check with JDP as they told me what the numbers were. I think whiteline was 4 to 5 points less in durameter as Pedders, though for now pedders may be a moot point
Interesting. Thanks for sharing that. Yea if they're close, that'll be perfect for me considering where Pedders is at now.
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I had BMR inserts. Don't waste your money! I ended up replacing with Pedders full poly bushings.
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I had BMR inserts. Don't waste your money! I ended up replacing with Pedders full poly bushings.
This is what I've been hearing about the BMR inserts.
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I definitely want pedders inserts but with the current issues their having, I want to have another option in case I can't get theirs
I must have been snoozing. What's the issue with Pedder's?
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Old 12-25-2013, 06:56 PM   #21
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Bought Energy Suspension bushings and returned them due to obvious low quality. Installed Pedders inserts and I am very satisfied with the results. Stock the car would get a "oh Sh*t" loose feeling when pushing the car to 8 tenths on high speed corners. The Pedders inserts keep everything firmly planted.
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I had BMR inserts. Don't waste your money! I ended up replacing with Pedders full poly bushings.
This is why I went with BMR full bushings. 580+ at the wheels I would have just been throwing time and money away with anything less.
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Inserts don't seem to hold up well, especially on the higher H.P. cars that are tracked or driven very aggressively on the street. I stopped installing them after seeing them being squeezed out from hard use.
If you are considering it go for the full bushing replacement, its worth the extra money.
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Inserts don't seem to hold up well, especially on the higher H.P. cars that are tracked or driven very aggressively on the street. I stopped installing them after seeing them being squeezed out from hard use.
If you are considering it go for the full bushing replacement, its worth the extra money.
Beg to differ. BMR & Energy suspension are a much softer durometer than Pedders & Whiteline.

I recently pulled Whiteline inserts out of a 500+WHP car that's been driven pretty hard for 2 years, and they look brand new. No signs of wear, AT ALL.

I'm guessing the ones you see getting squeezed out are BMR or Energy suspension...
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