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Old 01-03-2014, 04:29 PM   #501
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Were the keys in a lock box with only owner access?

Case closed.
Right. With great power comes great responsibility.

I doubt it matters. I'm sure even in that scenario you'd still feel the same.
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THOSE F STICKS....GO TO THE NATIONAL NEWS....THEY MIGHT EAT THIS ONE UP...GIVE 24 HRS NO ***** FOOTIN AND THE GO...WHAT ON EARTH DO YOU HAVE TO LOOOOOSE
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I HATE DEALER'S PERIOD......when its time to get my car in...i become crazy and wanna kill everybody...,I DON'T TRUST THEM...... They are bunch of liar and they take you for a ignorant...So im not really surprise about what happening in this tread,, the eternal war Customer vs Dealer.
I'm really piss off reading this tread.
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It comes down to the overall operation of the business. I have spoken to owners in our auto mall and brought this story to their attention all have told me they have insurance for this sort of thing and would make sure the owner is taken care of. Seems to me like some said this particular dealership didnt have good management nor an actual system to prevent this
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Another reason why anyone with a Camaro and it's not your daily driver should carry Collector Car Insurance. At the very least you have an agreed value NOT market value. This way if the OP valued the car at $70k his collector insurance would have cut him a check for $70k w/in a few days and he would be searching for a New ZL1 or wanting for a Z/28.
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It comes down to the overall operation of the business. I have spoken to owners in our auto mall and brought this story to their attention all have told me they have insurance for this sort of thing and would make sure the owner is taken care of. Seems to me like some said this particular dealership didnt have good management nor an actual system to prevent this
What else do you really expected them to say
But if the ,,,,,hit the fan , i bet my horse that the story will be very similar to the one we have on hand

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Some went on and finish it , and others dropped off
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It comes down to the overall operation of the business. I have spoken to owners in our auto mall and brought this story to their attention all have told me they have insurance for this sort of thing and would make sure the owner is taken care of. Seems to me like some said this particular dealership didnt have good management nor an actual system to prevent this


Insurance is a necessary evil.

99% of businesses would do right in a case like this. And yes most have insurance. Insurance makes it easier for them to do right. Sometimes, as I suspect here, they want to make sure the insurance will cover before they commit to the customer. Bad decision for sure. (of course we don't have all the facts in this case)

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Another reason why anyone with a Camaro and it's not your daily driver should carry Collector Car Insurance. At the very least you have an agreed value NOT market value. This way if the OP valued the car at $70k his collector insurance would have cut him a check for $70k w/in a few days and he would be searching for a New ZL1 or wanting for a Z/28.
GAP INSURANCE is a must. If I were the owner of this car in this case I'd call my insurance company (I'm sure the OP did) and let them fight with the dealer or the dealers insurance. I freaking paid a ton for insurance over the years and by God I'll use it. I haven't had a claim on any insurance policy since Hurricane Ivan (2300.00 worth) and before that a wreck from Bonnie back in 1994. (can't remember the cost but replaced a car door) Insurance sucks to pay and think of all the money we could have saved not having it.

Right now I pay $20,340.00 PER YEAR in insurance NOT counting business.

Home owners (Farmers): 4200.00 - South of I-10 in Alabama.
Obamacare (BxBs): 9432.00 - Extortion
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Insane. I could buy my new engine with just 6 months insurance payments.
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I think this thread has been beat to death with everyone's thoughts. We have not heard an update from the OP. Before this goes any further we should wait and see what has happened. OP please update us as we all want to know how this has turned out for you.
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I think this thread has been beat to death with everyone's thoughts. We have not heard an update from the OP. Before this goes any further we should wait and see what has happened. OP please update us as we all want to know how this has turned out for you.
Go to post 463 he updated us 4 days ago.
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Yup. The OP wants to back off of the public bashing while the dealer makes good.

Essentially it's just an interesting topic now.
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This is what really scared me about servicing my vehicle anywhere. My zl1 came with 54 miles on it, and only God knows what kind of miles those were. Best of luck to op on resolution of this insidious matter.
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Go to post 463 he updated us 4 days ago.
Sorry,I went back but not far enough I guess!
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54 miles on a new car when you pick it up is not unusual. A new Camaro would pick up miles going through roll test on the Flex Line in Oshawa, then the drive to the Care Line, then the drive to the Lot they are held at before the drive from the plant over to the Transport Carrier. Then the drive to either on to the Train or Transport. Even if it goes on to the Train it will be loaded later on a Transport Carrier to go to the Dealership. The number of miles is written on the PDI at the Dealership. The PDI (Predelivery Inspection) at the Dealership would include a test drive. You could always ask for the PDI miles and compare them to the Mileage when you picked up the car.

I put these things on the order form when purchasing a Vehicle. Purchaser must be present when PDI is done. I also usually take the ride with the Mech. also during the PDI. I also tell the salesman that I want every piece of paper off the car and given to me. I also tell them to leave certain things on the car such as the Air Bag and other Instructions. I also get the salesman to get the assigned build date and keep checking every week as to if this has changed. Once it is built you can drive by the Dealership every day to make sure when it comes to it or constantly call the salesman for updates when it will be at the Dealership.

My son works as a Mech. at a GM Dealership. He is in his early 20s and his Dealership has sent him on all the training for both the New 2014 Corvette and Camaro, he is the only one to do this at his Dealership. He loves seeing the owners of these cars faces when he does all the work on these cars, but once they talk to him they know he knows more than they will ever know about these cars and are quite relaxed with him driving their cars. He never takes advantage of a road test, it his livelihood and he already has many fast cars to drive at home.

I just hope the OP comes away satisfied with the conclusion of this mess. How angry would any one be and how alone the OP would be with being told by the Dealership what he was told. You drop you car off one day and then its gone the next. Many Camaros become personal with the owners and they take pride in ownership.
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I doubt it matters. I'm sure even in that scenario you'd still feel the same.
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Hoop sorry for your loss man. Your right giving the dealer a chance to make good on this. But ultimately he is responsible. The employee entered a locked building took the keys to your car, drove away from the dealership and they made no effort to call the police and have him arrested? Has he since been charged with GTA? Has the dealership given you any information on their course of action with the police?

I am sure the new ZL1 will be as much fun as the lost one. Hopefully all is resolved sooner rather than later.
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Case closed.


..or service manager access?
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54 miles on a new car when you pick it up is not unusual. A new Camaro would pick up miles going through roll test on the Flex Line in Oshawa, then the drive to the Care Line, then the drive to the Lot they are held at before the drive from the plant over to the Transport Carrier. Then the drive to either on to the Train or Transport. Even if it goes on to the Train it will be loaded later on a Transport Carrier to go to the Dealership. The number of miles is written on the PDI at the Dealership. The PDI (Predelivery Inspection) at the Dealership would include a test drive. You could always ask for the PDI miles and compare them to the Mileage when you picked up the car.

I put these things on the order form when purchasing a Vehicle. Purchaser must be present when PDI is done. I also usually take the ride with the Mech. also during the PDI. I also tell the salesman that I want every piece of paper off the car and given to me. I also tell them to leave certain things on the car such as the Air Bag and other Instructions. I also get the salesman to get the assigned build date and keep checking every week as to if this has changed. Once it is built you can drive by the Dealership every day to make sure when it comes to it or constantly call the salesman for updates when it will be at the Dealership.

My son works as a Mech. at a GM Dealership. He is in his early 20s and his Dealership has sent him on all the training for both the New 2014 Corvette and Camaro, he is the only one to do this at his Dealership. He loves seeing the owners of these cars faces when he does all the work on these cars, but once they talk to him they know he knows more than they will ever know about these cars and are quite relaxed with him driving their cars. He never takes advantage of a road test, it his livelihood and he already has many fast cars to drive at home.

I just hope the OP comes away satisfied with the conclusion of this mess. How angry would any one be and how alone the OP would be with being told by the Dealership what he was told. You drop you car off one day and then its gone the next. Many Camaros become personal with the owners and they take pride in ownership.

54 miles is not normal on an ordered vehicle. When the ZL1s first came out there was thread regarding how many miles they had on them on delivery. 6 to 12 miles was about average. Mine had 8.
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54 miles is not normal on an ordered vehicle. When the ZL1s first came out there was thread regarding how many miles they had on them on delivery. 6 to 12 miles was about average. Mine had 8.
I've never bought a brand new car with more than about 8 miles. Most were even under 5. If I recall my Camaro had some miles. I think if you ordered the factory installed stripes you had around 3 miles put on your car to go to the place they installed the stripes at. hahahaha

I may be wrong but it seems like I remember something like that.
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54 miles is not normal on an ordered vehicle. When the ZL1s first came out there was thread regarding how many miles they had on them on delivery. 6 to 12 miles was about average. Mine had 8.
Yeah 54 miles means it's been test driven or someone had fun with it. My first car had 13 miles on it and I put about half of those on there on the test drive.

My ZL1 had 29 miles on it and they told me/I figured out that the dealership owner's grandson felt it necessary to go rag it out one time. What can you do though, I didn't order it, I found it on the lot like that.




Oh, and great news, this thread got posted on the general discussions area, so we should have a whole bunch more people chiming in spouting off crap just like the rest of us.

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Yeah 54 miles means it's been test driven or someone had fun with it. My first car had 13 miles on it and I put about half of those on there on the test drive.
Assuming it was not a direct order, mileage could also indicate a transfer from another dealership. My Camaro came with over 200 miles on it, but that is because they drove it from NJ to Virginia to get me the vehicle I wanted versus one they had on their lot (this was after direct orders from the factory had ended for the year).

But on a vehicle you ordered from the factory, I think 54 miles would be pretty excessive.
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54 miles on a new car when you pick it up is not unusual. A new Camaro would pick up miles going through roll test on the Flex Line in Oshawa, then the drive to the Care Line, then the drive to the Lot they are held at before the drive from the plant over to the Transport Carrier. Then the drive to either on to the Train or Transport. Even if it goes on to the Train it will be loaded later on a Transport Carrier to go to the Dealership. The number of miles is written on the PDI at the Dealership. The PDI (Predelivery Inspection) at the Dealership would include a test drive. You could always ask for the PDI miles and compare them to the Mileage when you picked up the car.

I put these things on the order form when purchasing a Vehicle. Purchaser must be present when PDI is done. I also usually take the ride with the Mech. also during the PDI. I also tell the salesman that I want every piece of paper off the car and given to me. I also tell them to leave certain things on the car such as the Air Bag and other Instructions. I also get the salesman to get the assigned build date and keep checking every week as to if this has changed. Once it is built you can drive by the Dealership every day to make sure when it comes to it or constantly call the salesman for updates when it will be at the Dealership.

My son works as a Mech. at a GM Dealership. He is in his early 20s and his Dealership has sent him on all the training for both the New 2014 Corvette and Camaro, he is the only one to do this at his Dealership. He loves seeing the owners of these cars faces when he does all the work on these cars, but once they talk to him they know he knows more than they will ever know about these cars and are quite relaxed with him driving their cars. He never takes advantage of a road test, it his livelihood and he already has many fast cars to drive at home.

I just hope the OP comes away satisfied with the conclusion of this mess. How angry would any one be and how alone the OP would be with being told by the Dealership what he was told. You drop you car off one day and then its gone the next. Many Camaros become personal with the owners and they take pride in ownership.
about that 54 miles... when my father used to work at gm plant,-35 years- doing the f models one day he arrived with a shiny new red 1997 trans am ws6 convertible. he had the choice chevy or pontiac.he was told that he only could do 50 miles --on the odometer- with it--the car was heading to colorado-- or 80km if it was a canadian car..
well ,when he left me the wheel, i had a little fun me and my brother rack up some miles on it but did respect the limit we did 48on it..-
also few of them were doing road test on the highway about 18km, so about 10 miles or so... it's normal when the cars are new some have lower mileage than others...
we have a paccar plant close by they do peterbilt and kenworth the do road test..too

sorry off topic but your comments brought some good memories..

the best road test that i had.
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54 miles is not normal on an ordered vehicle. When the ZL1s first came out there was thread regarding how many miles they had on them on delivery. 6 to 12 miles was about average. Mine had 8.
I didn't ordered my Camaro SS, Challenger SRT8 or Mustang GT but they all had less than 10 miles on them when I bought them & that was after I took them for a test drive.

My son used to do all the PDIs on the Camaros & Corvettes when they would come in the dealership he was working at. The dealer really watched the mileage on those cars to keep them low.
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