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Old 07-20-2009, 02:33 PM   #1
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Detroit Speed vs. Pedders

I have been reading everything I can find online about after market suspensions. I am interested in a daily driver that handles very well without sacrificing a lot of ride quality. I have prior experience working with Jeep suspensions, but this is my first sports car.

I am seriously considering either Detroit Speed or a Pedder's set up. I spoke with DSE today and they were very helpful. Their current package $975 will include 4 coils (1.5 inch lower ride height) and front and rear sway bars. The end links have been dropped because they determined the factory end links allowed for a lot of rotation, which was necessary for proper suspension travel. I asked if they intended to offer more parts but they have determined that to alter the suspension more would be a detriment to ride quality.

I have been following Pedder's threads here. I have not been able to reach anyone at their company through email or phone. I did speak with Ron at vengeance racing, very nice guy to work with. Pedder's offers a lot more components. They really seem to be performance oriented.

Has any member had experience with these companies? How would you rate these suspension packages? I know every setup has trade offs. Is the pedders setup more of a track style suspension?

Like I said no personal experience with either. I would like to hear an honest critique from people who have. Thanks for taking the time.
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Old 07-20-2009, 02:47 PM   #2
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Hey JLP,
I hear what your saying. I don't know anyone else doing any suspension products. I am looking for just a lowering kit to get the car down and take out the 2 to 3 inches between the tires and the upper wheel wells.
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Old 07-20-2009, 03:11 PM   #3
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Simper Fi I can foward the emails I have exchanged with a pedders guy in CA, I'm hanging out in the sandbox so no experince yet but I can send you what I got
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Old 07-20-2009, 03:17 PM   #4
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Glad I could be of some help. I dont have any experience with Detroit Speed, but if you decide to go with Pedders I would be more than happy to help you out!!!!
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Old 07-20-2009, 04:32 PM   #5
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I know Eibach is already bringing out a line of products and Hotchkis as well. They have threads here, 5thgen.org, and on you tube. I focused on these 2 companies because they seem more like specialists. I know, when it comes to suspension, one size doesn't fit all.

Detroit Speed Inc. has a very strong reputation among Camaro fans. They are actually former GM suspension engineers who left to start their own company.
I know pedders is very big down under and has a long history with Holden.

Ron, you will be getting my business for several other mods. Is your camaro still in QC?

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Old 07-20-2009, 05:56 PM   #6
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i have a Xa kit ordered for my camaro though pedders. the kit is amazing. nothing outthere compares to it now. thier setup is a coilover andjustable and dampening system. you can lower the car about 3" and change the dampening and still get an stock cushiony feel. now it isnt 900 something dollars like the other kit. but it is a performance kit. not just for looks. thats why i went with them. even though the wait is killing me. its gonna be worth it.
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Old 07-20-2009, 06:03 PM   #7
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I called Mike at DMS - Pedders and I can tell you he not only picked up the phone everytime but spoke to me over an hour the phone once.

They are INSANE Knowledgeable and I feel 100% trust with this company.

Not many companies can say they have over 4000 hours testing there products. You will get what you pay for with them...

This is why I have a set coming once they are done.

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This car was done with by DES and personally think it is awesome



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Old 07-20-2009, 06:15 PM   #8
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So Detroit Speed put Pedders on this car?
http://www.detroitspeed.com/projectp...amaro-main.htm
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pedders doesnt make those sway bars they installed on that, do they? the exhaust looks janky on that.
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Old 07-20-2009, 06:20 PM   #10
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I called Mike at DMS - Pedders and I can tell you he not only picked up the phone everytime but spoke to me over an hour the phone once.

They are INSANE Knowledgeable and I feel 100% trust with this company.

Not many companies can say they have over 4000 hours testing there products. You will get what you pay for with them...

This is why I have a set coming once they are done.

This car was done with Pedders springs and personally think it is perfect.


but DSE did that car i believe....
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Old 07-20-2009, 06:50 PM   #11
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but DSE did that car i believe....
That is true Indpower. I have seen many good posts from you, but that camaro belongs to Stacey, one of the owners of Detroit Speed. I think it was listed on a thread that started off about DSE and became suspension discussion.

I know Pedders has a long history. I have spent a few months in Australia so I have seen their market there. Australia loves rear wheel drive vehicles. I wasn't doubting the company. I was hoping someone had actually driven their setup. Ron at vengeance racing had a lot of experience with their G8 setup. I have seen people making passing remarks about their G8s here. I was hoping they would comment on likes or dislikes. Things they would do differently, did everything live up to expectation, any unforseen issues, etc.
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That is true Indpower. I have seen many good posts from you, but that camaro belongs to Stacey, one of the owners of Detroit Speed. I think it was listed on a thread that started off about DSE and became suspension discussion.

I know Pedders has a long history. I have spent a few months in Australia so I have seen their market there. Australia loves rear wheel drive vehicles. I wasn't doubting the company. I was hoping someone had actually driven their setup. Ron at vengeance racing had a lot of experience with their G8 setup. I have seen people making passing remarks about their G8s here. I was hoping they would comment on likes or dislikes. Things they would do differently, did everything live up to expectation, any unforseen issues, etc.
Did not know...Still a sick looking ride...but will go with Pedders because of there vast knowledge.

Thanks for setting me straight...
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:19 PM   #13
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I am having a hard time figuring out from pedder's website the exact details of their individual packages. I see the track extreme, which is their full up package. I'm not sure if I need that level of suspension. I see they have a bushing only kit and they list street, sport and track coils. Are these separate coils or different coilovers?

The pedders can be done in stages right? By going with the harder bushings, how does their system compensate for vibration and road noise? I don't want a lot of rattling in a street driven vehicle.
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I am having a hard time figuring out from pedder's website the exact details of their individual packages. I see the track extreme, which is their full up package. I'm not sure if I need that level of suspension. I see they have a bushing only kit and they list street, sport and track coils. Are these separate coils or different coilovers?

The pedders can be done in stages right? By going with the harder bushings, how does their system compensate for vibration and road noise? I don't want a lot of rattling in a street driven vehicle.
Maybe this will help some.
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Pete did a mutliple test fit of our Pedders coils only on a 6 cylinder Camaro with 20 inch wheels. the OE heights were at:
Front 690mm
Rear 700mm

We installed our front coils to a final height of 667mm. Rears are different. We know the extra weight of the Camaro and the shorter wheel base. Spring rates on these coils will be proprietary but will be in the 30-50% higher than OE rates. We know there will be a large amount of Camaros that owners will want to install larger, oversized wheels that may not have the most efficient offsets. and oversized rear wheels will add to the Camaro's aggressive understeer. These Camaro owners may elect to go with a drop that will lower the vehicles slightly to allow a larger wheel and tire. For those customers then our first level rear coil will be perfect for you. The first level rear coils will drop the rear to 675mm from 700mm OE height.

Then we will have the Camaro owners that want the looks and want to max out on handling with the our upgraded coils. This is accomplished by our second set of rear coils, that will drop the back end to 660mm. this is a 15mm drop lower than our first set of rear coils and is a engineered, specific goal. The 15mm drop will really help on the aggressive understeer that seriously plagues the Camaro and will add to the aggressive stance of the Camaro as well. Wheel fitment may become more of an important influence over the first set of coils

Pictures are coming.

Now here are the assigned part numbers for our new Camaros:
220032 Ride Height with 20" Wheels 667mm

220035 Ride Height with 20" Wheels 675mm
220033 Ride height with 20" Wheels 660mm

We now have 2 coil drop kits for your selection. The pricing is preliminary, and orders were placed last week. Here are the 2 coil only drop kits:

Camaro Drop Spring Kit 1 By Pedders
Merlin Store P/N is ______________________
This kit is for the enthusiast that is looking for that aggressive look over performance and may need a slightly higher rear stance due to oversized wheels and tires. This kit offers a 20-25mm drop in ride height. With higher coil ratinings and a lower vehicle stance, performance iimprovements is a real plus

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Part # Pedders Compnent Price
220032 "Camaro 2009 Front drop Coils & Ride Height with 20"" Wheels at 667mm
" $89.62
220032 "Camaro 2009 Front drop Coils & Ride Height with 20"" Wheels at 667mm
" $89.62
220035 Camaro Zeta Rear Coil Ride Height with 20" Wheels 675mm $89.62
220035 Camaro Zeta Rear Coil Ride Height with 20" Wheels 675mm $89.62
Pedders Drop Coils Only Parts Total $358.48
Menu System Discount $38.49

Menu System Discount Adjusted Parts Total $319.99

Camaro Performance Drop Spring Kit 2
Merlin Store P/N is ______________________
This kit is for the enthusiast that is looking for that aggressive look with with a more performance oriented handling experience. The fronts are a 20mm drop and the rears are a 40mm drop. This look is a European look, and will seriously reduce the significant amount of understeer the new Camaro offers.
Part # Pedders Compnent Price

220032 "Camaro 2009 Front drop Coils & Ride Height with 20"" Wheels at 667mm
" $89.62
220032 "Camaro 2009 Front drop Coils & Ride Height with 20"" Wheels at 667mm
" $89.62
220033 Camaro 2009 Rear Drop Coils & Ride Height with 20" Wheels at 660mm $89.62
220033 Camaro 2009 Rear Drop Coils & Ride Height with 20" Wheels at 660mm $89.62
Pedders Drop Coils Only Parts Total $358.48
Menu System Discount $38.49

Menu System Discount Adjusted Parts Total $319.99



Coil orders were placed last week. You can be the first to get yours by contacting us and getting the orders advance. Our Merlin store is not yet set up for these kits. So contact any of your Pedders dealers that are sponsors here on this great forum and we can assist you. If we have a price difference, you will get the lower price. If the price is not at this level, then you will get this price until it is posted about the change.

It has not been confirmed an ETA for these coils. This information will be given out the moment we have a date.

thanks to all for you patience.
If you need assistance or have any questions, just ask

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