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Old 07-20-2009, 06:36 PM   #1
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UNOFFICIAL CAUSE OF TRANNY OUT PUT SHAFT ISSUE

i just came from my chevy dealer today,i talked with the master

mecanic ,who change my deffect tranny 2 weeks ago!

he said that the tremec tranny need a ball bearing at the end of the tail

of the tranny out put shaft,he sayed ;

THE PLACE IS THERE TO PUT A BEARING

AT THE END ,BUT GM DID NOT PUT THE BEARING

manny other tranny got those bearing,but not the camaro tremec tr6060


IS THERE SOME GM REPRESENTATIVE OR TRANNY

EXPERTS COULD CONFIRM WHAT I SPECULATE ABOUTBALL BEARING

SUPPORTING THE OUT PUT SHAFT + THE METALURGIC PROBLEM OF THE

SHAFT
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Old 07-20-2009, 06:41 PM   #2
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Here's a translation of the above post for everyone else...

I just came from my Chevy dealer today. I spoke with the master mechanic who changed my deffective tranny 2 weeks ago. He said that the Tremec needs a ball bearing at the end of the tail of the output shaft. He said that there’s already a place there to put a bearing at the end but GM did not put one there. Many other transmissions have it but not the Tremec TR6060 in the Camaro. Is there some GM representative or transmission expert that could confirm this speculation about the ball bearing being related to the metalurginc problem with the output shaft?
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:51 PM   #3
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He is wrong, your tech needs to stick to R&R and leave the engineering to those with the qualifications.

While some race inspired transmissions have a torrington needle bearing in the tailshaft 99% of race and oem transmissions have a bushing.

My 1350 Horsepower LSX Nova has a Liberty clutchless transmission. It also has a bushing in the tailhousing for the tailshaft.

I have run high 11's with my 2010 Camaro. No shaft probelms


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Old 07-20-2009, 08:19 PM   #4
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GM didn't forget to put a bearing anywhere in that transmission because they didn't build it! My guess is a bad batch of tail shafts due to improper heat treating process.
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Old 07-20-2009, 08:57 PM   #5
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Thank you for the translation.... you could earn a living on here doing that.
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Old 07-20-2009, 10:09 PM   #7
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What symptoms are owners reporting related to this problem? I am getting some driveline noise when shifting between gears (knocking sound). There is also a rattling/knocking sound when pushing in the clutch pedal when pulling up to a stop in first gear. I assumed this was backlash in the rear end gears but now becoming concerned with these latest announcements. It has made these noises since day one.
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Old 07-21-2009, 02:19 PM   #8
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Thank you for the translation.... you could earn a living on here doing that.
ha ha ha

by the way ,is there a chance that your pontiac dealer become a chevy

dealer,if the nearest one is at 50 miles
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Old 07-21-2009, 02:24 PM   #9
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He is wrong, your tech needs to stick to R&R and leave the engineering to those with the qualifications.

While some race inspired transmissions have a torrington needle bearing in the tailshaft 99% of race and oem transmissions have a bushing.

My 1350 Horsepower LSX Nova has a Liberty clutchless transmission. It also has a bushing in the tailhousing for the tailshaft.

I have run high 11's with my 2010 Camaro. No shaft probelms


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OK Robin, what is the problem?
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You have no idea how funny that is to us English Canadians....
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He is wrong, your tech needs to stick to R&R and leave the engineering to those with the qualifications.

While some race inspired transmissions have a torrington needle bearing in the tailshaft 99% of race and oem transmissions have a bushing.

My 1350 Horsepower LSX Nova has a Liberty clutchless transmission. It also has a bushing in the tailhousing for the tailshaft.

I have run high 11's with my 2010 Camaro. No shaft probelms


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Now you have started it, you have to tell us what you have done to your car so far.
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Old 07-21-2009, 03:37 PM   #13
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OK Robin, what is the problem?

In my personal opinion.......

I don't know

And not knowing I don't know if there is a problem.

There will always be isolated cases of parts failure. No matter who is making the part if you make enough of them your going to have a few that are out of spec.

Human nature being what it is I would guess that there are people out there that test the limits of any car or component that they have. I myself fit into this category.

I accept that and stand ready to make the repairs. On the other hand I drive my Duramax Dually with tender loving care because I don't want it the break.

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Old 07-21-2009, 04:12 PM   #14
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In my personal opinion.......

I don't know

And not knowing I don't know if there is a problem.

There will always be isolated cases of parts failure. No matter who is making the part if you make enough of them your going to have a few that are out of spec.

Human nature being what it is I would guess that there are people out there that test the limits of any car or component that they have. I myself fit into this category.

I accept that and stand ready to make the repairs. On the other hand I drive my Duramax Dually with tender loving care because I don't want it the break.

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i dont agree at all with you my friend ,you mist many treads and gm send a notice about that ,so i understand that you works for and by gm,so you have to be friendly in your comments against gm,AND BANALIZED and says something like;

some guys abuse of cars bla bla bla !!!!
BUT BRO WE DID NOT ABUSE OF OUR CARS ,AND OURS CARS WAS AND ARE STILL ENJOYABLE AT 100 %
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Old 07-21-2009, 04:16 PM   #15
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OURS CARS ARE'NT STILL NOT ENJOABLE AT 100%
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Old 07-21-2009, 04:20 PM   #16
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You have no idea how funny that is to us English Canadians....
I WILL Pays to read you in french,

be my guess practice your french ,like i practice my english
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bushing !

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He is wrong, your tech needs to stick to R&R and leave the engineering to those with the qualifications.

While some race inspired transmissions have a torrington needle bearing in the tailshaft 99% of race and oem transmissions have a bushing.

My 1350 Horsepower LSX Nova has a Liberty clutchless transmission. It also has a bushing in the tailhousing for the tailshaft.

I have run high 11's with my 2010 Camaro. No shaft probelms


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your car runs at the most 2 miles at a time ! There should be a bearing on the tail shaft .After breaking the news about the traney problem I have done a lot of research . The tech has this one wone. People should stop protecting chevrolet . when you cut corners you will have a crapy product A lot of people were lead to beleave that the camaro would have the c6 traney .
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your car runs at the most 2 miles at a time ! There should be a bearing on the tail shaft .After breaking the news about the traney problem I have done a lot of research . The tech has this one wone. People should stop protecting chevrolet . when you cut corners you will have a crapy product A lot of people were lead to beleave that the camaro would have the c6 traney .
my friend i agree, you talk with a very good sens of objectivity

chrevrolet must not cut corner
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your car runs at the most 2 miles at a time ! There should be a bearing on the tail shaft .After breaking the news about the traney problem I have done a lot of research . The tech has this one wone. People should stop protecting chevrolet . when you cut corners you will have a crapy product A lot of people were lead to beleave that the camaro would have the c6 traney .
Are we talking about hard launch loads or are we talking about distance?

Hmmm, My point is that in an OEM and many racing applications a bushing in the tail housing at the slip yoke is been the norm for long before you and I were born.

The Camaro transmision would never ever get the Corvette transmission. That is because the transmisson in the Corvette is in the rear attached to the trans axle. THey share a design and are based off the same series.

Just like the Tremec 6060 in the GT500 and the Challanger. It won't bolt up, it's a different configuration.

Sorry I will defend anyone that I choose. It's a free country.

I do not work FOR GM or Chevrolet. I do work WITH them

I have worked WITH the guys at Tremec for a number of years.

Lets not throw away the baby with the bathwater, we have a great car here and I am very happy that GM and Chevrolet were able to get it out.

Oh, BTW, the transmission in the Camaro is close to 170 pounds. The gears and shafts are heavier and stronger than any previous 6 speed offered in a Camaro. It's a very stout trans.

My 2010 Camaro has 2016 miles on the clock. Most are at the track and beating it up on the back roads. It gets driven hard.

I enjoy my Camaro 100% of the time!

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ours cars are not 100% enjoyable yet is it better?
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Now you have started it, you have to tell us what you have done to your car so far.
First Phase

GMPP Shorty Headers
GMPP Off Road Mufflers
Fidanza Aluminum Flywheel
Clutchmasters Stage I Clutch
Anderson Motorsports Cold Air
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NOS LS2 Nitrous KIt .063 Nitrous .033 Fuel
NOS Launcher Controller set at 40% (about 120 shot)
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516 Horsepower at the wheels
580 Foot Pounds of Torque
Best time 11.96 at 118

2nd Phase

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Best time 11.95 at 118

All will be covered in Hot Rod Magazine as well as the GM Performance Parts Web Site


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your car runs at the most 2 miles at a time ! There should be a bearing on the tail shaft .After breaking the news about the traney problem I have done a lot of research . The tech has this one wone. People should stop protecting chevrolet . when you cut corners you will have a crapy product A lot of people were lead to beleave that the camaro would have the c6 traney .
GM didn't design the Tremec transmission, and I assure you there are plenty of bearings supporting the output shaft. The tailshaft at the very end most likely has a bronze bushing due to most of the load taken by the other bearings in the transmission. The TR6060 has multiple versions, but I promise you they all have the same amount of bearings, the only one that would be signficantly different is the corvette unit due to the transaxle configuration.
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First Phase

GMPP Shorty Headers
GMPP Off Road Mufflers
Fidanza Aluminum Flywheel
Clutchmasters Stage I Clutch
Anderson Motorsports Cold Air
Abaco Digital Mass Air Meter
NOS LS2 Nitrous KIt .063 Nitrous .033 Fuel
NOS Launcher Controller set at 40% (about 120 shot)
Lingenfelter Timing Retard and 2 Step Box
Nitto 305/40/20 Drag Radials


516 Horsepower at the wheels
580 Foot Pounds of Torque
Best time 11.96 at 118

2nd Phase

Added
GMPP CNC Ported LS3 Heads
Installed Test Pipes
NOS jetting .044 N .020 Fuel Controller set at 60% (about 50 shot)
Best time 11.95 at 118

All will be covered in Hot Rod Magazine as well as the GM Performance Parts Web Site


Robin

Nice, thanks for the results. So you picked up about 70 fwhp with the "test pipes"-whatever that means- and the ported heads? It is a little confusing with the nitrous used, but the times are almost identical. Either way, it sounds good. Looking forward to the article.
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