Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > Technical Camaro Topics > Wheels and Tires Talk Sponsored by The Tire Rack

Wheels and Tires Talk Sponsored by The Tire Rack Discuss issues related to wheels and tires

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 03-24-2008, 05:49 PM   #1
Mythic
 
Mythic's Avatar
 
Drives: '03 Monte Carlo SS
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: VaBeach VA
Posts: 349
Air Ride?

Anyone thinking about an air ride system?

maybe lower the car but still able to clear those damn speedbumps.
Mythic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2008, 06:37 PM   #2
NOODLESgoneWILD
IS IT 2009 YET???
 
NOODLESgoneWILD's Avatar
 
Drives: '05 Z51 Black Vette & '06 H2
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Mill Creek, Washington
Posts: 409
Send a message via MSN to NOODLESgoneWILD
Without a doubt...I'd love to have something like that. It would be great to go to cruze night...roll in low and slow, and drop it on the ground...then when you ready to hit the road and lay a patch of rubber, you could bump up the ride height to do it.
__________________
Don't love me just for my FBod

Last edited by NOODLESgoneWILD; 03-24-2008 at 07:41 PM.
NOODLESgoneWILD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2008, 07:39 PM   #3
blindingillusion
 
blindingillusion's Avatar
 
Drives: 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt 2LT
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Morgantown WV
Posts: 196
heavy....
__________________
Ordered:
2010 Black 2SS/RS
-CGM Ralley Stripes
-Hurst Short Throw Shifter
-20" Polished Aluminum Wheels



Has Owned:
2008 Cobalt
1996 Monte Carlo
1988 Sierra
1979 LeSabre
blindingillusion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2008, 09:58 PM   #4
Kyle2k
LVL 50 Troll Stomper
 
Kyle2k's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Grand Forks, ND
Posts: 3,242
Hopefully this bose suspension they are eventually coming out in the future will have a feature to adjust ride height.
__________________
Kyle2k is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2008, 11:17 AM   #5
TFord
Camaro Fanatic
 
TFord's Avatar
 
Drives: 2000 Z28
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Auburn, WA
Posts: 1,812
Send a message via Yahoo to TFord
Not to Familiar with air ride. had a buddy with a chevy truck that had air ride on it. whats the pros and cons?
__________________
TFord is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-2008, 08:36 PM   #6
camarocrazy28
 
camarocrazy28's Avatar
 
Drives: 1990 Camaro RS
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Loves Park, IL
Posts: 92
Adjustable ride height, superb handling because of incredible tunability, and a comfortable ride. Those are the pros. Cons would be cost and availabilty. Nothing for 5th gen Camaros yet. I want air ride for my 3rd gen.
camarocrazy28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2008, 07:43 PM   #7
Sinister
Satan's Boss!
 
Drives: 1985 Z-28/IROC-Z
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Toronto, On.
Posts: 72
Send a message via MSN to Sinister Send a message via Yahoo to Sinister
I'll be putting an air ride system in my car over the next winter...but I do agree with the pros & cons that camarocrazy28 posted.
check out this site--->http://www.ridetech.com
__________________
Sinister is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2008, 11:11 PM   #8
Mr. Wyndham
I used to be Dragoneye...
 
Mr. Wyndham's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 Camaro 1LE
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Buffalo, NY
Posts: 25,788
Send a message via AIM to Mr. Wyndham
Could someone be a pal, and just sum up really quick what an "Air ride" is for me?
It's a type of suspension system...I got that much - but what is it? Briefly, how does it work?

__________________
"Keep the faith." - - Read Before You Post.
SIGN UP for 2014 Camaro5 HPDE @ Gingerman Raceway!
Mr. Wyndham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2008, 09:32 AM   #9
Mythic
 
Mythic's Avatar
 
Drives: '03 Monte Carlo SS
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: VaBeach VA
Posts: 349
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_suspension

The installation and configuration of these systems varies for different makes and models but the underlying principle remains the same. The metal spring (coil or leaf) is removed, and an air bag, also referred to as an air spring, is inserted or fabricated to fit in the place of the factory spring. When air pressure is supplied to the air bag, the suspension can be adjusted either up or down (lifted or lowered).

For vehicles with leaf spring suspension such as pickup trucks, the leaf spring is sometimes eliminated and replaced with a multiple-bar linkage. These bars are typically in a trailing arm configuration and the air spring may be situated vertically between a link bar or the axle housing and a point on the vehicle's frame. In other cases, the air bag is situated on the opposite side of the axle from the main link bars on an additional cantilever member. If the main linkage bars are oriented parallel to the longitudinal (driving) axis of the car unbolt the motor mounts and the bags will hold it up and make it bounce, the axle housing may be constrained laterally with either a panhard bar or watts linkageor you could take a shaft out of a old 72 Ford and it is uncanstrable from the bags. In some cases, two of the link bars may be combined into a triangular shape which effectively constrains the vehicles axle laterally.

Often, owners may desire to lower their vehicle to such an extent that they must cut away portions of their frame for more clearance. A reinforcement member commonly referred to as a C-notch is then bolted or welded to the vehicle frame in order to maintain structural integrity. Specifically on pickup trucks, this process is termed "notching" due to the fact that a portion (notch) of the cargo bed may also be removed, along with the wheel wells, to provide maximum axle clearance. For some, it is desirable to have the vehicle so low that the frame rests on the ground when the air bags are fully deflated.
Mythic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2008, 03:20 PM   #10
fastball
White 'n Nerdy
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
Posts: 1,650
Sorry, when I see or hear "air-ride" I think of one of two things:

1. A 1980 Cadillac with it's rear end dragging (because the air shocks and/or pump are shot)

2. Any gangsta rap video and a 1963 Impala

I'll take my gas struts and coil springs, thank you.
__________________
fastball is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2008, 03:27 PM   #11
Mr. Wyndham
I used to be Dragoneye...
 
Mr. Wyndham's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 Camaro 1LE
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Buffalo, NY
Posts: 25,788
Send a message via AIM to Mr. Wyndham
Quote:
Originally Posted by fastball View Post
Sorry, when I see or hear "air-ride" I think of one of two things:

1. A 1980 Cadillac with it's rear end dragging (because the air shocks and/or pump are shot)

2. Any gangsta rap video and a 1963 Impala

I'll take my gas struts and coil springs, thank you.


I think of sleeping on a cloud.......
__________________
"Keep the faith." - - Read Before You Post.
SIGN UP for 2014 Camaro5 HPDE @ Gingerman Raceway!
Mr. Wyndham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2008, 04:13 PM   #12
Mythic
 
Mythic's Avatar
 
Drives: '03 Monte Carlo SS
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: VaBeach VA
Posts: 349
Quote:
Originally Posted by fastball View Post
Sorry, when I see or hear "air-ride" I think of one of two things:

1. A 1980 Cadillac with it's rear end dragging (because the air shocks and/or pump are shot)

2. Any gangsta rap video and a 1963 Impala

I'll take my gas struts and coil springs, thank you.

It certainly isnt cheap a set for the 67-69 Camaros is nearly $7k
Quote:
Vehicles that use air suspension today include models from Maybach, Lexus, Mercedes-Benz, Land Rover/Range Rover, SsangYong, Audi, Subaru, Volkswagen, and Lincoln, among others.
http://www.hotrod.com/howto/hrdp_070...mpressors.html
Especially read the bit about the Red 67 Chevelle vs the Blue 66
Mythic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2010, 12:29 PM   #13
reedikyaluss
 
reedikyaluss's Avatar
 
Drives: 2005 Chrysler 300C
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Erie, PA
Posts: 39
Quote:
Originally Posted by fastball View Post
Sorry, when I see or hear "air-ride" I think of one of two things:

1. A 1980 Cadillac with it's rear end dragging (because the air shocks and/or pump are shot)

2. Any gangsta rap video and a 1963 Impala

I'll take my gas struts and coil springs, thank you.
You're talking about hydraulics.
reedikyaluss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2010, 01:05 PM   #14
Cmlloveless

 
Drives: 2010 2SS RS
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Winchester, Ca
Posts: 905
So any idea if any company has a Camaro specific kit in the works?
Cmlloveless is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2010, 01:06 PM   #15
Cmlloveless

 
Drives: 2010 2SS RS
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Winchester, Ca
Posts: 905
watching
Cmlloveless is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2010, 01:09 PM   #16
ajjones44
 
ajjones44's Avatar
 
Drives: Fast
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Stuttgart Germany tearing up the Autobahn!
Posts: 76
I have been waiting for this also. I checked their site and in a thread one of the Ridetech guys mentioned they are releasing a kit sometime this month or next month.
ajjones44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-27-2010, 04:48 AM   #17
leandrebean
 
Drives: 2000 mits eclipse (2010 Camao soon)
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Cali
Posts: 2
Check out this Link
http://www.jadecrew.com/2010-camaro-...by-air-runner/


I also know any good Mechanic can set up a system using strut style airbags
leandrebean is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-04-2010, 08:02 PM   #18
JadeWBJ
 
Drives: 2003 Infiniti M45
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Orlando FL
Posts: 9
I am the guy who wrote the article on the air runner suspension for the New Camaro. I am set to install a set in my 03 Infiniti M45 in the next month.

I have been falling in love with the new Camaro since it came out, I think Chevy hit it out of the park with that car.

A lot of people confuse Air Suspensions with Hydrolics. Hydos weld a fixed cylinder in place of the shock/strut resulting in a horrible ride.

The Air Runners actually take a set of KYB performance struts and place a "bag" where the spring would go. The new technology is so good that the Mercedes Benz CL63 AMG is running the same style setup.

They allow you maximum tunability with push button control. I love coilovers but they are a pain in the ass to adjust.

Check the site for a full review of the Air Runners once they go in.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

“A turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.”
Jeremy Clarkson

http://www.jadecrew.com
JadeWBJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2010, 05:34 AM   #19
SikMaro
 
SikMaro's Avatar
 
Drives: 2004 CTS, Arrived! 2ss/rs ABM!
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Peoria, AZ
Posts: 203
will be getting an air ride performance suspension tester. will post pics when done
__________________
2010 Camaro 2SS / A6 / Aqua Blue Metallic / Gray Int. / Sunroof / NPGB4Q / 2G1FK1EJ6A9160475

1100 - 09-24-09 1st Step
3800 - Born 10-27-09
6000 - 11-11-09
SikMaro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2010, 12:26 PM   #20
youngoliver
 
youngoliver's Avatar
 
Drives: 2SS/RS SIM -- Lifted 99' GMC
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: California
Posts: 558
Bags on a camaro
Bags are for lowered trucks not for cars and camaros especially IMO.

Please dont be hitting switches on your camaro..
1. no matter what system you get you WILL have problems with it (leaks etc.) it's gona cost you way more than what it's worth.
2. It's a HUGE ticket of cought by a cop hitn switches, modified suspension and considered a moving violatoion. After all that you got to go get it removed for the fix it ticket he gave you as well.
3. Camaro's aren't ment to be ghetofied.

my 2 cents
youngoliver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2010, 12:35 PM   #21
2010SLVRBULIT


 
2010SLVRBULIT's Avatar
 
Drives: G5 & C6
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: MARS
Posts: 7,049
..a 5th riding on 3 wheels?
..like the 'slammed' look, though
2010SLVRBULIT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2011, 10:07 AM   #22
XclusivEric
 
XclusivEric's Avatar
 
Drives: '10 Camaro 2SS/RS M6
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Columbus, GA
Posts: 45
Send a message via Yahoo to XclusivEric
Ok air suspension is not ghetto, maybe on hoopty cars ie... 80's Monte Carlos, Impala's, etc.. etc. Air suspension is used in many variety of vehicles despite the ignorant assumption that they are used on "ghetto" vehicles. Actually semi trucks and tractor trailers use air suspension, Land Rover, Mercedes-Benz are just another few. They aren't hydraulics... which offer no ride quality. Pro's? Anyone who isn't ignorant about air suspension and did research know what they are. Con's? Well I'd have to add to that list. To include cost and availability. You also have possibilities of your bags leaking, getting pin holes in them. Not too mention for all you racers out there, the added amount of wieght especially for the air tank and compressor. Also there is a wait time when you start up your vehicle for air pressure to build up in your tank to fill your bags. So if you want to ride around town comfortably just on a cruise and have the money to spend then sure.... get air suspension. But if you want to take your vehicle to the track and use it for what it was made to be then... go with coilovers. You know what would be sweet?? If they made coilovers that were electronically height adjustable. That would eliminate airbags all together. There would be absolutely no use for them. You'd have all the pro's that airbags give you with none of their con's! Maybe the engineers reading this thread should get on top of that. You'd almost have a monopoly on the suspension market.
__________________
2010 Chevrolet Camaro 2SS/RS 6.2L 6 Speed Manual Black/Inferno Orange Stripes/Inferno Orange Interior Trim, Sunroof, Polished Aluminum Rims
XclusivEric is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2011, 11:19 AM   #23
Brian@AirLift
 
Drives: AirLifted Camaro
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Lansing, MI
Posts: 56
Your opinion on Air Suspension is not uncommon, but, unfortunately, outdated. Air Lift in particular has gone out and proven the performance capability of this type of suspension when properly engineered and tuned. Weight gain is minimal, usually around 25# (check the weight of those big wheels or stereo systems..). Leaks are almost non-existent with proper installation and "pinholes" in the bags are not something I have ever seen after working on these systems for 10 years.

Please read the links below starting with the first where our very first prototype build competed in the Silver State Challenge at an average speed of 150mph!! Not to mention driving from Michigan to Nevada and back again to compete.

And this week we will be at Camaro5fest giving track rides to people in a 600hp supercharged car with our Performance Air Suspension.

Not trying to dig on you, just trying to educate as many people as possible on the real benefits and flexibility that air suspension can have when properly done.


http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...t=64867&page=6


http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...%22air+lift%22



http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...%22air+lift%22

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...%22air+lift%22

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...%22air+lift%22

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123108




Quote:
Originally Posted by XclusivEric View Post
Ok air suspension is not ghetto, maybe on hoopty cars ie... 80's Monte Carlos, Impala's, etc.. etc. Air suspension is used in many variety of vehicles despite the ignorant assumption that they are used on "ghetto" vehicles. Actually semi trucks and tractor trailers use air suspension, Land Rover, Mercedes-Benz are just another few. They aren't hydraulics... which offer no ride quality. Pro's? Anyone who isn't ignorant about air suspension and did research know what they are. Con's? Well I'd have to add to that list. To include cost and availability. You also have possibilities of your bags leaking, getting pin holes in them. Not too mention for all you racers out there, the added amount of wieght especially for the air tank and compressor. Also there is a wait time when you start up your vehicle for air pressure to build up in your tank to fill your bags. So if you want to ride around town comfortably just on a cruise and have the money to spend then sure.... get air suspension. But if you want to take your vehicle to the track and use it for what it was made to be then... go with coilovers. You know what would be sweet?? If they made coilovers that were electronically height adjustable. That would eliminate airbags all together. There would be absolutely no use for them. You'd have all the pro's that airbags give you with none of their con's! Maybe the engineers reading this thread should get on top of that. You'd almost have a monopoly on the suspension market.
Brian@AirLift is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Bee-otch. air freshener byebyeImports Off-topic Discussions 17 08-10-2009 04:52 PM
Transformers: The Ride? BumbleBee 5th Gen Camaro SS LS LT General Discussions 5 01-30-2008 11:23 PM
United States Air Force PureEvil Off-topic Discussions 6 12-16-2007 12:46 AM
Cobalt's air tests cleanest KILLER74Z28 General Automotive + Other Cars Discussion 0 03-20-2007 07:08 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:24 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.