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Old 01-05-2014, 09:45 PM   #631
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I think GM have executed wonderfully bringing back the 5th gen but missed a marketing opportunity and upset a loyal customer base with this otherwise awesome car. I personally enjoyed meeting you at Camaros for Heroes and talking Camaro with you. So please understand the respect I have for you and this car. All that said I am part of a large contingent of true Camaro lovers who want to see a Z/28 people will drive. For me it is not about if I can personally afford one its about being able to actually drive one or pass one on the road. I hope GM will listen and at some point bring us a Z/28 that people will want to drive. Keep this beauty around as an option just don't burn the Z/28 badge on a car that will live behind a red velvet rope and we have to experience in videos. When the Z was reintroduced in the 70s look how well it sold. In 2002 1/3 of all Camaros were Z28s. Seems like a lot of market potential to spend on a couple hundred cars. How will this car earn it's legend if no one drives it? Again, awesome car. Thanks to the team for pushing the envelope in a Camaro badge. Odd problem is that everyone wants a Z/28.....
If things follow history like we've seen with the 5th Gen then you may get your wish.

The 1st Z/28s were made for the track and in the 70's the Z28 was there for the daily driver. I can see the Z28 as a big money maker with the 6th Gen. We'll just have to wait and see what's in the cards but I can bet you we'll see more of the Z28 in the future.
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Old 01-05-2014, 09:52 PM   #632
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Lowdown, I am not carrying anyone else's water. I am simply an enthusiast who grew up with pony and muscle car madness during the 60s and I still enjoy these cars....all brands.....although my personal preference and experience is with Mustangs. I have tried to be respectful to Camaro fans on this forum, and I have appreciated the comments by those that found the information I brought to the forum as useful.

Of particular interest to me is listening to arguments by respectful and mature people about the strengths and weaknesses of the various ponies. I learn from other's opinions, as long as they are open and honest, and I dislike seeing conversations being cut off by rudeness or censorship.

I don't know much about The Pill, but I believe he is like me but with a lot more technical and racing knowledge. I would enjoy seeing the discussion between The Pill and others on Camaro6, but since he was censored from this forum, that cannot happen here. I would encourage a conversation about his views continue on the Mustang6G website, where all legitimate opinions are respected.
As is typical for people who have found the wrong outlet for their hostilities, you seem to have found yourself on a Camaro website advertising for Ford. While I respect that the Mustang is in fact a worthy direct competitor, your comments have been notably non-Camaro, and so is the case with many of your friends who have been repeatedly warned in accordance with our private site's rules.

For anyone from your preferred community still wondering, this is Camaro5. We are a Chevrolet enthusiast forum. While anyone is welcome to join, those who respect our members and follow the rules will be welcome to stay.
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Old 01-05-2014, 09:53 PM   #633
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I think GM have executed wonderfully bringing back the 5th gen but missed a marketing opportunity and upset a loyal customer base with this otherwise awesome car. I personally enjoyed meeting you at Camaros for Heroes and talking Camaro with you. So please understand the respect I have for you and this car. All that said I am part of a large contingent of true Camaro lovers who want to see a Z/28 people will drive. For me it is not about if I can personally afford one its about being able to actually drive one or pass one on the road. I hope GM will listen and at some point bring us a Z/28 that people will want to drive. Keep this beauty around as an option just don't burn the Z/28 badge on a car that will live behind a red velvet rope and we have to experience in videos. When the Z was reintroduced in the 70s look how well it sold. In 2002 1/3 of all Camaros were Z28s. Seems like a lot of market potential to spend on a couple hundred cars. How will this car earn it's legend if no one drives it? Again, awesome car. Thanks to the team for pushing the envelope in a Camaro badge. Odd problem is that everyone wants a Z/28.....
Now this is how you voice a opinion. Thank you for acting like a adult and voicing your opinion like a adult..... That hasn't happened much around here lately!

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Old 01-05-2014, 09:59 PM   #634
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I sure hope they build a bunch.
I may be wrong but I thought the number was going to be limited based on the number of left over LS7 engines after the Z06 production ended and the plant that was building them closed. I don't know if they have completely stopped making them yet but they will have to keep enough set back for warranty issues and GM performance parts to sell.
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Old 01-05-2014, 10:09 PM   #635
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Looks cool!

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Old 01-05-2014, 10:24 PM   #636
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In California the dealers will add $20,000 to this.
Same in dc, if not more. About a month ago I was a a dealer a couple miles from me and they still nada. 10k markup on a c7
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Old 01-05-2014, 10:43 PM   #637
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I may be wrong but I thought the number was going to be limited based on the number of left over LS7 engines after the Z06 production ended and the plant that was building them closed. I don't know if they have completely stopped making them yet but they will have to keep enough set back for warranty issues and GM performance parts to sell.
I don't think they can use leftover LS7s because the one in the Z/28 has been upgraded a little.
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I don't think they can use leftover LS7s because the one in the Z/28 has been upgraded a little.
I know they continued building them after the Z06 went out of production, maybe those were upgraded. Does anyone know when the plant was closing?
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They will build around 3000-4000
that isn't a true statement because we have not announced anything in terms of volume. It will be limited.
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Old 01-05-2014, 10:59 PM   #640
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It was stated 500 the first year, 1500 the 2nd So the 6G will hold more surprises.
Didn't Leno day 1500 a year and then later this was a 2 year model.

I really hope 3000 units. Then we should all be able to see them and hopefully I can still get my hands on one.
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I had a feeling it would be that high, no way I would buy one.
The 1Le is what the z28 was. A within reach sports car with the base corvette
engine. Actually it's more car than any previous gen z28 and I have had a couple.
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we have not announced anything in terms of volume. It will be limited.
There's your answer motorhead!
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I think GM have executed wonderfully bringing back the 5th gen but missed a marketing opportunity and upset a loyal customer base with this otherwise awesome car. I personally enjoyed meeting you at Camaros for Heroes and talking Camaro with you. So please understand the respect I have for you and this car. All that said I am part of a large contingent of true Camaro lovers who want to see a Z/28 people will drive. For me it is not about if I can personally afford one its about being able to actually drive one or pass one on the road. I hope GM will listen and at some point bring us a Z/28 that people will want to drive. Keep this beauty around as an option just don't burn the Z/28 badge on a car that will live behind a red velvet rope and we have to experience in videos. When the Z was reintroduced in the 70s look how well it sold. In 2002 1/3 of all Camaros were Z28s. Seems like a lot of market potential to spend on a couple hundred cars. How will this car earn it's legend if no one drives it? Again, awesome car. Thanks to the team for pushing the envelope in a Camaro badge. Odd problem is that everyone wants a Z/28.....
Greg -- thank you for your kind words -- and for your thoughtfulness.

I - and the team - DO get your point.

What I think we're trying to do is to bring the Z/28 back to it's original purpose - and that is to find mustangs on a road course and eat them. No - I'm not saying that this car is set for SCCA rules - what I AM saying is that this car is an amazing driving machine - and on a road course it will blow cars costing many times more to kingdom-come.

NOW - that said -- and I've mentioned this before:

no matter WHAT we do with the Z28 or Z/28 moniker - we alienate some people. For too many years we've alienated the original Z/28 enthusiasts by using the nameplate on a much more mainstream Camaro. To some that's a good thing.......and for a lot of years, they were happy. The reality is that it's time to honor the nameplate by taking it back to its roots.

Yes-- it's expensive - but I invite you to drive a new 1LE or an SS or a ZL1 - and you'll see that we've built a Camaro for 'every purse and purpose" (to use a quote from one of our founders - Alfred Sloan.......

I DO hear what you're saying - but when the final numbers from Nurburgring are published - and the final production numbers are announced - I think - or hope - that you'll see where we're coming from - and that the decisions we make are never easy ones --

We sweat EVERY DECISION because we know we'll get blistered no matter what.

Hope to see you again this year!
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Greg -- thank you for your kind words -- and for your thoughtfulness.

I - and the team - DO get your point.

What I think we're trying to do is to bring the Z/28 back to it's original purpose - and that is to find mustangs on a road course and eat them. No - I'm not saying that this car is set for SCCA rules - what I AM saying is that this car is an amazing driving machine - and on a road course it will blow cars costing many times more to kingdom-come.

NOW - that said -- and I've mentioned this before:

no matter WHAT we do with the Z28 or Z/28 moniker - we alienate some people. For too many years we've alienated the original Z/28 enthusiasts by using the nameplate on a much more mainstream Camaro. To some that's a good thing.......and for a lot of years, they were happy. The reality is that it's time to honor the nameplate by taking it back to its roots.

Yes-- it's expensive - but I invite you to drive a new 1LE or an SS or a ZL1 - and you'll see that we've built a Camaro for 'every purse and purpose" (to use a quote from one of our founders - Alfred Sloan.......

I DO hear what you're saying - but when the final numbers from Nurburgring are published - and the final production numbers are announced - I think - or hope - that you'll see where we're coming from - and that the decisions we make are never easy ones --

We sweat EVERY DECISION because we know we'll get blistered no matter what.

Hope to see you again this year!
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