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Old 01-20-2014, 09:18 PM   #51
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The REAL "Z", Dual Use, UNLIMITED, 1000 clutch dumps at the drags, 7:41 at the Ring ..... is the ANSWER to everyones plights mentioned.... IMHO.

You all know what that is. Most Capable Street/Strip/Track car ever produced with a Camaro name on it.

ZL1. "Period"

Now, Go buy one if you haven't already. You will receive all the "extras" the most "track capable" Camaro ever does not, and in many cases, if you happen to get mixed up with one, you will likely show it your taillights. In the world 98% of Camaro owners live in .. that is.
I got my SS about a year before the ZL1 came out....Thought about waiting for one, but now glad I didn't....For some reason hardly any ZL1s show up for auto-x, or even aftermarket supercharged SSs, they just can't seem to stay planted on the track without spinning out.....Only seen one ZL1 on a big track, (and it crashed)....The drags are fun, I've done it a bunch, but not worth buying a ZL-1 just for that....Just my preferences, as with anyone else's....

The Camaro world I see is more 98% SS and V-6...lol....a lot of "inexpensive" fun...
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Old 01-20-2014, 09:21 PM   #52
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I got my SS about a year before the ZL1 came out....Thought about waiting for one, but now glad I didn't....For some reason hardly any ZL1s show up for auto-x, or even aftermarket supercharged SSs, they just can't seem to stay planted on the track without spinning out.....Only seen one ZL1 on a big track, (and it crashed)....The drags are fun, I've done it a bunch, but not worth buying a ZL-1 just for that....Just my preferences, as with anyone else's....

The Camaro world I see is more 98% SS and V-6...lol....a lot of "inexpensive" fun...
...yes they are fun, and less expensive, but the WTF oh shit within an inch of your life factor isn't there with them like the ZL1...
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Old 02-04-2014, 08:13 PM   #53
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About tracking your Z28 as an OE car. Are you not limited to slower run group with a non equipped car?
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Old 02-04-2014, 09:40 PM   #54
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About tracking your Z28 as an OE car. Are you not limited to slower run group with a non equipped car?
With some (rare) exceptions, your run group assignment is purely, 100%, a factor of your tracking experience, skill (lap times) and the respect with that group that you've earned as a cooperative driver. I've run in various advanced groups with a 100% stock car (three-point belts, OE tires, no cage).

Keep your car on the track surface with no drama, show the situational awareness to get faster traffic around you quickly and safely, and you will be promoted to a more advanced run group.

SCCA seems to be the most restricted and I would say outdated of the bunch- for example they require a cage and harness in Time Trials and yet not in Club Trials. The wackiness being, some (many) cars in Club Trials run faster laps then the Time Trials group :-)
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Old 02-06-2014, 09:36 AM   #55
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Courageous, bold, gutsy move by Chevrolet. The first of its kind in the tracking community by a manufacturer.

The press release also provides additional information to those who do not understand the "track-day" concept, to help them learn what it is all about. And hopefully motivation to take their car to the track.

"Hooked on Driving Adds Chevrolet Corvette As National Sponsor

DANVILLE, CA – (Feb. 6, 2014) – Hooked on Driving announced today a new partnership with Chevrolet, to place 2014 Corvette Stingrays in high-performance driving events across the United States.

Hooked on Driving (HOD) was founded ten years ago by David Ray, who took a unique skill he had – the ability to drive a car safely at high speed on a race track – and used it to start a high-performance driving program unlike any other. These events were dedicated to building a passionate community of car lovers eager to experience skilled, high-speed driving on a closed course, and gain a deeper appreciation of their own cars' capabilities.

Hooked on Driving (HOD) aims to help make it possible for amateur drivers to capture the fun of driving on a race track in a safe, controlled environment. The group's coaches guide drivers to higher skill levels in their own cars, which typically represent a cross-section of high-performance marques from Germany, Italy, Japan and the U.S.

As part of the sponsorship, Corvette Stingrays will be available for HOD participants to experience, and if qualified, drive on the track at HOD events in its six regions – Northern California, Pacific Northwest, Great Lakes, Northeast, Southern States and Florida. Among the tracks that Hooked on Driving uses are, New Jersey Motorsports Park, Autobahn Country Club, Atlanta Motorsports Park, Homestead Miami and others.

“Partnering with Hooked on Driving provides two exciting opportunities for Chevrolet,” said Russ Clark, Corvette Marketing Director. “For our customers, it offers the chance to help them experience the full capabilities of their Chevrolets; for owners of competitive makes, it provides an opportunity to introduce them to the performance, design, and technology of the all-new Stingray.”

In a typical first session, a coach will ride in the passenger seat and teach the driver high-performance driving techniques in their own car. As is HOD's philosophy, all marques will continue to be welcome at its events.

"I see this as a big thumbs up to the enthusiast community from Chevrolet," said Ray, HOD founder and group leader. "They're willing to put the Corvette in front of savvy, well-informed car people. Corvette is an American icon and its seventh-generation model is the perfect example of a car that’s great fun on the track but can be driven every day around town."

HOD drivers can progress from the very basic Beginner group, where classroom theory and protocols are taught, through Intermediate to Advanced level driving skills. A driver can stay in a Beginner or intermediate group as long as they want, as long as they’re safe and having a good time. Coaches are vetted, trained volunteers that help keep the cost of programs down. HOD programs can be corporate events, client entertainment or a reward to employees.

Most cars are fine for HOD – all the owner needs to do is be certain it is in good working order. The rest is up to them, but the results show that many develop very good track skills. Some move on to serious competition in other venues. Ray is proud to acknowledge that HOD has spawned many top level competition drivers – many of whom have come back to coach.

About the Chevrolet

Founded in 1911 in Detroit, Chevrolet is now one of the world's largest car brands, doing business in more than 140 countries and selling more than 4.5 million cars and trucks a year. Chevrolet provides customers with fuel-efficient vehicles that feature spirited performance, expressive design, and high quality. More information on Chevrolet models can be found at www.chevrolet.com.

About Hooked on Driving

Hooked on Driving is a community of individuals who share a passion for driving their cars. Founded in 2004, HOD is meeting its goal of being the first true, trusted national brand of performance driving programs. Hooked on Driving currently operates in six key regions of the U.S. including: Northern California/Reno, Northeast U.S., Florida, Great Lakes, Southern States and the Pacific Northwest. The school is focused primarily on providing high performance driver training for those with capable cars, in the controlled environment of a race course – without the pressure of competition. More information on Hooked on Driving can be found at www.hookedondriving.com."
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Old 02-06-2014, 11:13 AM   #56
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There seems to be a lot of confusion (and intentional misdirection by some) about the Z/28's purpose in life.

It was born and lives to do "Track Days".

*Period*

It's obvious by 95% of the posts on here though that people have no idea what that means! I created a new thread in the Camaro "Tracking" forum (yes, there is such a thing!) explaining simply and clearly what "Tracking" is all about, links to cool videos, and telling a little bit about myself and my involvement as a credentialed SCCA driving instructor for many years with this insanely fun activity.

This is the direct link to that thread: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=335710

I personally invite you to give it a visit and learn about this "hidden" fraternity of track-crack addicted nuts. The Z/28's pure mission in life is track days, and if you buy one you'll own one of the most supremely capable turn-key trackday cars ever made. I make that statement from experience in the paddocks and on tracks :-)

What non-track experienced people don't understand is the concept of taking a car to the track, that you can drive all day on track, for several days if you like, and not have it break. Steilow and teams goal was to build a car that is both fast and durable for lap after lap after lap. Any car has the possibility to be a one-lap wonder, but maybe you've never seen the dog-faced owners of cars that break down, overheat, lose the brakes, throw CEL's etc after that wonder lap.

I want to drive there, get my laps on, and drive home. Not sit around making excuses about why my car broke. Anyone here who has trackday experience knows exactly what I am taking about. Mustangs with failed brakes, overheating Nissan GT-R's, GT3's with broken clutches or coolant leaks. On and on.

The development team has directly stated the Z/28 was engineered to provide dependable, durable and fast laps. Value? Priceless!

Click the link, learn what tracking the Z/28 is really about, and I hope to see you at the track!

You forgot to mention that the warrantly covers failures during track use.
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I've met a few new Corvette owners at weekend auto-x, etc.....First time at a track ever with a new 'Vette to boot, and they are having a ball....I'm sure the driving school for new Vette owners will have a lot of takers....Good luck to them all...
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The REAL "Z", Dual Use, UNLIMITED, 1000 clutch dumps at the drags, 7:41 at the Ring ..... is the ANSWER to everyones plights mentioned.... IMHO.

You all know what that is. Most Capable Street/Strip/Track car ever produced with a Camaro name on it.

ZL1. "Period"

Now, Go buy one if you haven't already. You will receive all the "extras" the most "track capable" Camaro ever does not, and in many cases, if you happen to get mixed up with one, you will likely show it your taillights. In the world 98% of Camaro owners live in .. that is.
<sigh> . . . some people still don't get what this kind of track car is all about.

Most Capable Street = irrelevant

Most Capable Strip = minimal interest at best

What it doesn't have is a substantial part of its appeal. But like the Harley riders say, if this has to be explained to you, you aren't going to understand it anyway.

Yes, the ZL1 is your "right Camaro". And that's fine (coming from a Mustang owner, no less).


Zfatuated - More to topic, thanks for posting the HOD/Corvette partnership along with specific mention of NJMP, which is only a little over an hour's drive for me. Do you have even a rough idea what might constitute "if qualified" in the following excerpt? Is it as simple as making a favorable impression on an instructor during the first session?

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Zfatuated - More to topic, thanks for posting the HOD/Corvette partnership along with specific mention of NJMP, which is only a little over an hour's drive for me. Do you have even a rough idea what might constitute "if qualified" in the following excerpt? Is it as simple as making a favorable impression on an instructor during the first session?

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You are welcome, of course. I would suggest contacting your local HOD folks to clarify. You've always struck me as a level-headed responsible fellow, I'm sure you can get "hooked up" quickly and easily.

I've run with HOD (N. CA) many times, I cannot speak highly enough about them. It's a great organization.
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Old 02-06-2014, 06:36 PM   #61
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Nice announcement, Zfatuated, about HOD and the Corvette. I am really glad to see Autobahn listed since that is my home track. They are one of the groups I track with and are a very well organized group.

Because of pricing I am on the fence between the Z28 and the Z06, but that is for another thread. But at least by hopefully tracking the base Corvette one could get an idea how good the Z might be.

Norm, no matter how many times it is explained, these folks will just not get it.

BTW, I do not know if you guys have seen this yet but I am trying to separate the Dragstrip and HPDE sections. Maybe is we separate out from those folks that do not get it we will not have to put up with them as much.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...=339002&page=2

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<sigh> . . . some people still don't get what this kind of track car is all about.

Most Capable Street = irrelevant

Most Capable Strip = minimal interest at best

What it doesn't have is a substantial part of its appeal. But like the Harley riders say, if this has to be explained to you, you aren't going to understand it anyway.

Yes, the ZL1 is your "right Camaro". And that's fine (coming from a Mustang owner, no less).


Zfatuated - More to topic, thanks for posting the HOD/Corvette partnership along with specific mention of NJMP, which is only a little over an hour's drive for me. Do you have even a rough idea what might constitute "if qualified" in the following excerpt? Is it as simple as making a favorable impression on an instructor during the first session?

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May I add 1-2-3 more things the ZL1 also offers that I don't want and will not hear/experience in my Z/28:

The eventually gets old (to me) whine of a supercharger, the possibility of an infernal/internal clacking supercharger coupling (Service Manager: "Clacking? What clacking? I don't hear any clacking. That's normal."), and heat soak.
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May I add 1-2-3 more things the ZL1 also offers that I don't want and will not hear/experience in my Z/28:

The eventually gets old (to me) whine of a supercharger, the possibility of an infernal/internal clacking supercharger coupling (Service Manager: "Clacking? What clacking? I don't hear any clacking. That's normal."), and heat soak.
lol....and the one thing I never get tired of.....600+hp when I want it. Funny how the whine and clacking seems to fade from my consciousness. just playing with ya!!!
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