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Old 01-06-2014, 09:08 AM   #1
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650rwhp.... That's the goal

So the parts are piling up in the garage and I'm getting anxious start the install. The goal was 650rwhp but keep reliability and durability, that's not asking too much right? Here's what I'm going with:

Whipple 2.9 hopefully on a modest 9 or 10lb boost (4" or 3.875" pulley)
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Both my tuner and Chad from CBI said 650 shouldn't be an issue. Can't wait to get stupid!
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Old 01-06-2014, 09:24 AM   #2
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With that list of parts and DSX behind thr keyboard...650 shouldn't be a problem at all.
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I can't wait to get my car sorted out so I can join the blower club too! Dang blower just sitting on the shop floor. 650 rwhp is a little high for 1-3/4 headers, they are probably going to cost you a little bit at the peak, just making it a little more difficult, but not impossible.
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While your at it have DSX put in his E85 flex fuel kit.
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With that list of parts and DSX behind thr keyboard...650 shouldn't be a problem at all.
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Old 01-06-2014, 01:55 PM   #6
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Yea you will be over that 650 mark with the whipple. Like others said a 1 7/8th or 2" header would of been better with forced induction but your goal will be met regardless.

My guess 685rwhp
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After the install and tune, a clutch and maybe axles will probably be the next thing addressed. But after that the E85 or any Alky meth kit.
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If the headers cause any problems, they could always be swapped for larger, but from some of the reading I did when I was still N/A sometimes bigger wasn't always better. Not sure if this will be the same with Whipple, if it is I can work on that. With everything else in the exhaust being pretty much wide open, I'm hoping an 1/8 or 1/4" on the headers don't hurt me to bad.
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I can't wait to get my car sorted out so I can join the blower club too! Dang blower just sitting on the shop floor. 650 rwhp is a little high for 1-3/4 headers, they are probably going to cost you a little bit at the peak, just making it a little more difficult, but not impossible.
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I'm sure they won't choke it off so much that you'll miss your goal, but at that power level there will probably be a pretty good bit of power left on the table, especially compared to running a 2" header with the same mods. I'd wager on 20-30 HP at peak.
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Im at 610 with a Whipple on my Automatic with similar list above if that gives you an idea. Yours will be much more with standard
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We have made 750+rwhp on 1.750" headers. It just gives up a little tq on the low end. You'll be fine!
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I'm sure they won't choke it off so much that you'll miss your goal, but at that power level there will probably be a pretty good bit of power left on the table, especially compared to running a 2" header with the same mods. I'd wager on 20-30 HP at peak.
Id take that bet lol..Nascar runs 1 5/8 headers and make over 950hp.Id say at 650rwhp you MAY pick up an extra 10 with the 2 inch
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Ive been talking to chad about doing all my bushings and possibly either 150 shot of juice or just ponying up and getting an ECS kit with Meth. He does awesome work and DSX is amazing with tuning
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Without hesitation, I'd recommend Chad at CBI for any LSx work. He really is one of the good guys, no drama, no ego, and a lot of knowledge. Dave is a wizard with tuning, very good team.
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Without hesitation, I'd recommend Chad at CBI for any LSx work. He really is one of the good guys, no drama, no ego, and a lot of knowledge. Dave is a wizard with tuning, very good team.
He did the install of the work in my sig and DSX did the tuning. Was kinda of an experience dropping the car off at his shop with out him there. Little worried about my baby with no supervision in the back hills of MO. He was a great guy to work with and had my car back to me in a week. Cant wait for him to build it bigger and badder.
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Id take that bet lol..Nascar runs 1 5/8 headers and make over 950hp.Id say at 650rwhp you MAY pick up an extra 10 with the 2 inch
I'm just going off my experience on the Vettes I've put blowers on. NASCAR headers are definitely not LS based car headers. Apex showed a 15 HP gain on an otherwise stock, 370 HP camaro. So less than that at 650?
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I'm just going off my experience on the Vettes I've put blowers on. NASCAR headers are definitely not LS based car headers. Apex showed a 15 HP gain on an otherwise stock, 370 HP camaro. So less than that at 650?
I made the swap many times ,most times no gain at all. ARH told me not to waste my time and money and they were right.
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I made the swap many times ,most times no gain at all. ARH told me not to waste my time and money and they were right.
I guess different experiences in different situations I've done Maggies and Whipples on over a dozen cars/trucks and have gotten better results from the 1-7/8" and 2" headers over the 1-3/4. Mine will be the first Camaro I've done. I usually am running modified Maggie TVS2300s (phenolic spacers, porting, modified for boost control). I may try a dyno comparison myself.
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I know how the HP bug can bite you. I'm right at 100whp over stock now. It used to feel quick, now it just feels normal. I'm pretty sure the 650 (or close) won't be an issue with this setup. I'm also realistic to admit it will also suffer the same fate and start to feel "normal" after awhile. Larger headers may come into play if/when I decide 650 isn't enough. I know that going to the next level properly will require fully building the motor, ie forged internals, ect. To maintain any type of durability and longevity. I'm not sure if I could ever justify the cost to myself for a car that I want to drive anywhere at anytime. If this was a track car it'd be different, but we (my wife and I) use the car, groceries, taking the kiddos places ect. I know I'm leaving hp on the table, the Whipple has a 3.5" pulley on it now, and I'm going bigger because I know the engine isn't built the way I want it to handle 13-14lb of boost and over 800hp. Hopefully in a couple weeks to a month I can provide some feedback on how it went. I really would like to start wrenching soon!
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i dunno if 650+ will ever feel normal for me lol...we'll see this summer. i have the same goals as you.
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So the parts are piling up in the garage and I'm getting anxious start the install. The goal was 650rwhp but keep reliability and durability, that's not asking too much right? Here's what I'm going with:

Whipple 2.9 hopefully on a modest 9 or 10lb boost (4" or 3.875" pulley)
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CAI w/Whipple tube
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Tune from DSX

Both my tuner and Chad from CBI said 650 shouldn't be an issue. Can't wait to get stupid!
LOL, you are looking at 700 rwhp . . . Go for it and keep us informed
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I'd bet from 1 7/8" to a 2" header is only another 5-10whp. I only saw a 4% gain on headers with my car. True apples to apples type test.
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I'd bet from 1 7/8" to a 2" header is only another 5-10whp. I only saw a 4% gain on headers with my car. True apples to apples type test.
You meant 4Hp? as 4% would be about 26Hp at your power level. He has 1-3/4 SLPs, so going it a 2" at his power level might be worth it in the future, is all I was getting at. The 1-3/4 SLPs I took off a c5 and swapped for 2" Kooks were worth 27 HP after tuning, taking total power to 684.
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I'm not saying that larger headers wouldn't gain me some hp. I'm just thinking with this setup, my goal of 650 should be pretty attainable.
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I'm not saying that larger headers wouldn't gain me some hp. I'm just thinking with this setup, my goal of 650 should be pretty attainable.
Oh, I'm not saying you won't get there with your setup, I'm 99% sure you will pass 650 by quote a few HP. I was only saying a better headerfor your application would help you out more than just a few HP.
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