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Old 01-10-2014, 12:08 PM   #1
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Is your car spying on you?



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There has been a lot of talk at the Consumer Electronics Show this week about Ford's Vice President saying “We know everyone who breaks the law, we know when you’re doing it. We have GPS in your car, so we know what you’re doing.”

Just curious what y'all think about this plus the black boxes the insurance companies are using...
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Sorry guys, didn't see that link. Thanks!
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I hate the "do a search" blasting sometimes. hahaha!
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Simple:
- Street racing is illegal and dangerous to more than yourself. If the box can detect it, catch them.
- Track racing is going to let your insurance company off the hook if you wreck it. If you tow the car somewhere and say it was hit, that is fraud...book um Dan O!
- Nobody is reporting you for cruising (or speeding) at this point...if you want to do the typical 10 mph over, do it....the little black box will not get you the ticket, the nice Police Officer will.

This is so much like the people posting threats to Facebook if their information they post on social media gets leaked on social media...if you don't want to get caught, don't do it.

Everyone acts like they are living a life in the CIA and every part of it should be secret, yet they post every bit of it on social media! If you want to live the super-secret squirrel life, that is cool…give up your iPhone, computer, satellite TV (with the Smart TV functions), etc…but (or build so no one else knows where it is) a house in the mountains somewhere. Grow your own food so the frequent buyer cards you use at Food Lion does not let anyone know what items you are eating…and live the quite life.

Now, am I one of those CIA spies that are looking into your every move? Nope…Do I want the government knowing every time I have sex? Nope…So, if I put it on social media, I expect others to know about it. If I speed on the roads, I expect that someone could find out. If tracking an idiot driving over 100 mph on the street saves my daughter’s life because he/she was busted before running a red light and T-Boning her car, would I be happy? You dang skippy!
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Old 01-10-2014, 12:43 PM   #7
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I hate the "do a search" blasting sometimes. hahaha!
Yeah, because the search function sucks. If I need to look for something I use google with Camaro 5 and whatever I need.

I don't care if someone reposts something like this. It's not intentional. People are always blasting others for something like that, read the rules, they say we're supposed to be helpful and instead people want to be rude sometimes.



On the subject. Gosh I don't know. A little spooky. I've often though maybe I should restrict myself to cars that originally didn't come catalytic converters.

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Everyone acts like they are living a life in the CIA and every part of it should be secret, yet they post every bit of it on social media! If you want to live the super-secret squirrel life, that is cool…give up your iPhone, computer, satellite TV (with the Smart TV functions), etc…but (or build so no one else knows where it is) a house in the mountains somewhere. Grow your own food so the frequent buyer cards you use at Food Lion does not let anyone know what items you are eating…and live the quite life.
Well, it's not exactly all or nothing. I won't live in an America where you cuss and the box on the wall prints out a ticket saying you've automatically been fined(Demolition Man) and that may sound extreme but with the Audi that drives it self and these GPS's in cars I can see where some will eventually want to move that way with traffic violations.

Really what I'm getting at there is you have described either a situation where you are completely plugged in or your a fringe nut living on Ruby Ridge. I think most people are in the middle somewhere. Currently this is about as far as I go with social media. Flat screen, but no smart tv. I have a very small electronic foot print. I will say that is rapidly, and most unfortunately, changing as I will be entering the "normal" workforce where I'm supposed to be on Linkedin and what not. Sucks a little.
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I hate to say it but I bet OnStar is doing the same damn thing in GM cars, they're just not dumb enough to say it to the press.
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Old 01-10-2014, 01:30 PM   #9
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Old 01-10-2014, 01:38 PM   #10
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I say if they have the technology to know if you are speeding and are able to have the ability to inform law enforcement, the are liable as an accessory for building a car that allows you to exceed the speed limit in that particular area. Works both ways, and in addition if it is not disclosed, it would be considered entrapment.
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Yeah, because the search function sucks. If I need to look for something I use google with Camaro 5 and whatever I need.

I don't care if someone reposts something like this. It's not intentional. People are always blasting others for something like that, read the rules, they say we're supposed to be helpful and instead people want to be rude sometimes.



On the subject. Gosh I don't know. A little spooky. I've often though maybe I should restrict myself to cars that originally didn't come catalytic converters.



Well, it's not exactly all or nothing. I won't live in an America where you cuss and the box on the wall prints out a ticket saying you've automatically been fined(Demolition Man) and that may sound extreme but with the Audi that drives it self and these GPS's in cars I can see where some will eventually want to move that way with traffic violations.

Really what I'm getting at there is you have described either a situation where you are completely plugged in or your a fringe nut living on Ruby Ridge. I think most people are in the middle somewhere. Currently this is about as far as I go with social media. Flat screen, but no smart tv. I have a very small electronic foot print. I will say that is rapidly, and most unfortunately, changing as I will be entering the "normal" workforce where I'm supposed to be on Linkedin and what not. Sucks a little.
When I read Camaro5 its all about what is being posted on right now. I don't search for things just because? How would I even know I wanted to read them. Some dudes sit on here all day and search about what people post to see if anyone has ever posted about it before ever. You are right too the search isn't really that great. I do the same google search you do!
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Old 01-10-2014, 02:16 PM   #13
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Yeah, because the search function sucks. If I need to look for something I use google with Camaro 5 and whatever I need.

I don't care if someone reposts something like this. It's not intentional. People are always blasting others for something like that, read the rules, they say we're supposed to be helpful and instead people want to be rude sometimes.



On the subject. Gosh I don't know. A little spooky. I've often though maybe I should restrict myself to cars that originally didn't come catalytic converters.



Well, it's not exactly all or nothing. I won't live in an America where you cuss and the box on the wall prints out a ticket saying you've automatically been fined(Demolition Man) and that may sound extreme but with the Audi that drives it self and these GPS's in cars I can see where some will eventually want to move that way with traffic violations.

Really what I'm getting at there is you have described either a situation where you are completely plugged in or your a fringe nut living on Ruby Ridge. I think most people are in the middle somewhere. Currently this is about as far as I go with social media. Flat screen, but no smart tv. I have a very small electronic foot print. I will say that is rapidly, and most unfortunately, changing as I will be entering the "normal" workforce where I'm supposed to be on Linkedin and what not. Sucks a little.
Great Demolition Man reference
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Old 01-10-2014, 02:21 PM   #14
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Well I'm glad onstar doesn't call the cops I would have been turned in along time ago yea I street race what about it lol.
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Old 01-10-2014, 02:24 PM   #15
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I hate to say it but I bet OnStar is doing the same damn thing in GM cars, they're just not dumb enough to say it to the press.
I wonder about this too. Last week I was t-boned at an intersection in my SS. Air bags deployed. I've heard other C5 members say ON-Star called them to say they detected an accident. I didn't hear a word from them, but my subscription expired 3 1/2 years ago. Would that be the reason they didn't follow up on my collision?
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I think that's a safe bet, the crash response is a big selling point and part of the base package.
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I think its almost a guarantee new cars are spying on you, in the same manner smart phones are.
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Not sure how I feel on this one! I agree that keeping someone from causing someone or themselves serious harm or death is a good thing but the thought that Im being "watched" all the time bothers me. A very large majority of this site is made up of people that like cars and especially performance cars. We do our mods, some race etc... If I feel like hammering it for a few seconds "in a safe place" then I don't want to feel like my dad is driving with me and going to hear about it soon.
I would like to see how some ion here who say hell yes would feel that a ticket was mailed to them every time they did a burnout "illegal start" or it could tell them that your car did not come to a fully complete stop at some stop sign. It could get crazy. Give an inch!

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Funny, when I worked in airbag system design, we were able to collect all that data. When we first started working with Ford in the early-mid '90s they made us remove the function from their systems. Their reasoning was if we can see it, so can someone's lawyer. Of course all this was before govt interference.
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Let's say every car got surveillance. Someone would have to observe all those cars, so a whole lot of people would suddenly have low-paying jobs where all they do is see if someone is speeding or driving against the rules. These people would have the most monotonous, boring jobs out there, and they'd barely be paying their bills. Do you think these guys would produce quality work? Do you think they'd be awesome at stopping people from breaking road rules, or do you think they'd be overwhelmed that almost every driver drives above the speed limit, rolls a stop sign, or fails to use their blinker at least once a day?

On top of that, there's the infrastructure investment that would be necessary. Watching every American drive every day will take more data processing than current wireless networks can handle. Even if we all put our phones down and never used WiFi again, there still isn't enough bandwidth to handle every car during rush hour in every major city, and you can forget about rural areas that have poor data connections.

That leaves us with an almost inevitable scandal. Surveillance supervisors will try to prioritize vehicles that are more likely to break driving rules. It would lead to a scandal where some whistleblower would claim that only people in fast cars or only people under 25 years old would be busted. We, as Americans, would be faced with a decision. Do we accept age discrimination the same way that we do with auto insurance or discrimination based on our freedom to choose a fast car, or do we challenge surveillance of American citizens?

I'll leave that to you.

In summary, if there is nationwide surveillance anytime soon, it'll be mediocre at best and it won't be effective. If it ever happens, though, I still expect Americans not to tolerate it.
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Let's say every car got surveillance. Someone would have to observe all those cars, so a whole lot of people would suddenly have low-paying jobs where all they do is see if someone is speeding or driving against the rules. These people would have the most monotonous, boring jobs out there, and they'd barely be paying their bills. Do you think these guys would produce quality work? Do you think they'd be awesome at stopping people from breaking road rules, or do you think they'd be overwhelmed that almost every driver drives above the speed limit, rolls a stop sign, or fails to use their blinker at least once a day?

On top of that, there's the infrastructure investment that would be necessary. Watching every American drive every day will take more data processing than current wireless networks can handle. Even if we all put our phones down and never used WiFi again, there still isn't enough bandwidth to handle every car during rush hour in every major city, and you can forget about rural areas that have poor data connections.

That leaves us with an almost inevitable scandal. Surveillance supervisors will try to prioritize vehicles that are more likely to break driving rules. It would lead to a scandal where some whistleblower would claim that only people in fast cars or only people under 25 years old would be busted. We, as Americans, would be faced with a decision. Do we accept age discrimination the same way that we do with auto insurance or discrimination based on our freedom to choose a fast car, or do we challenge surveillance of American citizens?

I'll leave that to you.

In summary, if there is nationwide surveillance anytime soon, it'll be mediocre at best and it won't be effective. If it ever happens, though, I still expect Americans not to tolerate it.

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Apparently so. lol.
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I think its almost a guarantee new cars are spying on you, in the same manner smart phones are.
They wouldn't let Blackberry sell phones in Abu Dhabi until they made a master key the government can use.

The CIA made our president give up his Blackberry, they couldn't listen in.

AFAIK most EDRs are encrypted and it takes a summons before the manufacturer will decode the data for the court.

EDRs were introduced by the manufacturers to record data so the mechanics could see what went wrong during a few (10-20) seconds before a device failure.

The boxes from the insurance companies; no, thank you.

Some manufacturers encrypt the ECM so there is no tuning allowed. GM hasn't done that. So we've got that going for us.
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You mean not tolerate it like the way we have tolerated the moron that got elected and pushed for "Obama Care"? hehe
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