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Old 11-05-2009, 08:44 PM   #76
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I want to bring this subject back to life as I think GM has really let us down here.

I'm beginning to believe that this problem really is a problem on most if not all of the cars built in that range. Due to the fact that it's metal hardening issue, one may be better off than the other but they probably all have it to some degree. I don't know much about the internals of the transmission but even if they knew one was bad but hasn't broken, they may have to swap the whole transmission anyways; it would undoubtedly be a costly repair even if they don't have to swap in a whole new unit. So in GM's eyes, it's probably much easier/cheaper to replace the ones that push their cars and have them break than it would be to bring all of the affected cars in and fix them before they've got snap, crackle, pop. There's probably a lot of people with SS's out there that could have incredibly weak output shafts but will never find out because they don't drive their car like it was meant to be driven. Even still, some have broken under "normal" driving conditions.

GM promised that they would notify customers who could potentially be affected. My car was delivered in early July with a VIN just shy of 19000 and now has ~4300 miles on it. Last night, the transmission went bust. The dealership confirmed today that the output shaft snapped and new transmission is now on order. Being that I never got a call or letter from GM notifying me of any potential issue as promised and it has been driven hard in the past, I figured it was fine. So imagine my surprise when the car made a pop noise and refused to budge.

Although I am glad that GM is fulfilling the obligation to repair the car and is providing me with a rental so I'm not stranded at home for the next several days, I am extremely disappointed that the promise made in this thread has not been lived up to. It's not too late, there's plenty of others out there driving proverbial time bombs. And I hate to get people worried for no reason but if you have a manual SS built in the 12000-26000 range (I think that's the numbers, someone correct me if I'm wrong) don't think you're safe just because you've driven it hard and it hasn't happened yet. That next launch could be your last (with your current transmission).
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Having recieved my camaro with 96km on it from QC I believe that the problem that may or may not have existed with my camaro was resolved.

20270. Driven hard.
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Old 11-05-2009, 08:52 PM   #78
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Having recieved my camaro with 96km on it from QC I believe that the problem that may or may not have existed with my camaro was resolved.

20270. Driven hard.
The question is, did they do anything to those cars held in QC? Did they determine that none of them had a problem? They never released this sort of information, serial numbers affected, nor contact those affected. At this point, we have no earthly idea where the problem starts or stops and no idea if it's all of them or just a few bad apples. I thought I was safe as well.......... Some built earlier than mine were held in QC while mine was delivered.
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So Vin's in the teens are the one's breaking?
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So Vin's in the teens are the one's breaking?
From what I recall and the recent ones that I've seen posted, yes. It might go into the 20s as well.
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So if you break your output shaft and they replace your transmission,what are the implications as far as a numbers matching car/drivetrain?
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So if you break your output shaft and they replace your transmission,what are the implications as far as a numbers matching car/drivetrain?
Do people still care about "matching numbers" in modern cars?
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So if you break your output shaft and they replace your transmission,what are the implications as far as a numbers matching car/drivetrain?
I wouldn't worry about it...I don't even know if the trans has #'s. If you're going for the 100% original thing, the important part is the original motor. AND...I'm not even sure if the swap the entire transmission, but probably just the tail-shaft.
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From what I recall and the recent ones that I've seen posted, yes. It might go into the 20s as well.
Mine was built late in the week that they had the M6 Constraint...vin #26,xxx....didn't get caught in any kind of extended QC...so theoretically, there shouldn't be any higher vins with the problem if in fact they properly fixed the issue.
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Mine was built late in the week that they had the M6 Constraint...vin #26,xxx....didn't get caught in any kind of extended QC...so theoretically, there should be any higher vins with the problem if in fact they properly fixed the issue.
Interesting. So we've got some around 12,000 that broke and potentially up to the mid 20 thousands. That's a lot of cars that could have bad shafts.

They said it would take a couple weeks to get everything figured out and let everyone know. It's now been a couple months...............

I'm guessing what they figured out wasn't pleasant so instead of manning up, they just swept it under.
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Please don't down play this. I know someone who is getting a new M-6 transmission at this time. His vin# was in the 17000 to 18000. Where are these calls from Chevy???!!

Are our transmissions needing Chevy attention? Does this problem include Vettes, Cobras and Challengers?? I understand that these transmissions are made in Mexico.

What is up with this problem?
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No one has died from this issue. If your trans breaks, GM will fix it. Do you really care if they call you or not? It was a problem, the problem has been addressed. If you have an M6, I do, just drive it how you want. If it breaks, they will fix it. If it doesn't, you're good. Why bring this back up just to beat it down again? Do what i did, go out and do a few launch controls and hard starts, if it snaps, guess what, yours was bad! If not, like I said, you're good.

Do you really want the call hey so and so, your trans may be bad and may snap. We are not sure but it may. I doubt they are going to be going out and replacing possibly good transmissions just in case.

Its a mechanical item, it may break. Just have them fix it if it does. No one has been denied repair that i know of.

And 12000-24000 is 12000 cars (I know I am brilliant) of those cars, how many were SS M6? I bet you are really only looking at a few thousand cars. Most of which are probably fine!
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No one has died from this issue. If your trans breaks, GM will fix it. Do you really care if they call you or not? It was a problem, the problem has been addressed. If you have an M6, I do, just drive it how you want. If it breaks, they will fix it. If it doesn't, you're good. Why bring this back up just to beat it down again? Do what i did, go out and do a few launch controls and hard starts, if it snaps, guess what, yours was bad! If not, like I said, you're good.

Do you really want the call hey so and so, your trans may be bad and may snap. We are not sure but it may. I doubt they are going to be going out and replacing possibly good transmissions just in case.

Its a mechanical item, it may break. Just have them fix it if it does. No one has been denied repair that i know of.

And 12000-24000 is 12000 cars (I know I am brilliant) of those cars, how many were SS M6? I bet you are really only looking at a few thousand cars. Most of which are probably fine!
If only what you said was true... It took ~4300 miles on my car and did not break with "a few launch controls and hard starts". I thought I was in the clear. I was not.

I would have liked a call/notification and a repair done. Maybe someone with more knowledge can fill us in but if they fix this before it snaps, does it require a new transmission or could they just replace the shaft? After it snaps it destroys the transmission and requires a replacement. I would much rather not have to have had my car towed. It's not exactly wonderful for it when it's cranked down to the flatbed. And why promise to do something with no intention of living up to it? If they said they would notify the owners, they should have done so.

12k, and since most of the early cars were SSM6, you're looking at over 6000 cars. If they know that there's only a small portion of those affected, why not notify them? I'm sorry but if they know there was a problem, they need to let the customers know. Whatever happened to customers first?
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I am also very concerned about this since I am in the upper 18K VIN range. I have been breaking my car in pretty easily but as it is waking up more and more I am getting on it more and more. GM needs to relay more info hear and step up to the plate. I do not like having the thought of a poorly manufactured tranny component. I'd like to keep my car "original" with the matching tranny.If the tailshaft is suspect, recall it. Who wants to go through the hassle of a damaged tranny and all the logistics of getting it fixed? Not I.

GM or anyone in the know please give us an ok or fix the problem. I want to drive my car like it should be driven.
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Who said they didn't notify them? People on this site said they were called and told to park it a wrecker was on the way. Perhaps yours was outside of the affected range. Hell Thor had like 10,000 on him with no shaft explosion. They will fix it but to say there is an outbreak again? It's not like 10 people came on and said it happened again.
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Do people still care about "matching numbers" in modern cars?
Years from now, people will.

If anyone has to get this swap done and they swap the entire trans, I'd suggest documenting it for that person that may ask down the road.

Personally, if anything happens to my motor or trans, I'd like the option of keeping it and repairing it down the road.

Plus, let's face facts. How many of these cars will actually still be in original condition 30 years from now? Makes those that are, that much more desirable.
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Who said they didn't notify them? People on this site said they were called and told to park it a wrecker was on the way. Perhaps yours was outside of the affected range. Hell Thor had like 10,000 on him with no shaft explosion. They will fix it but to say there is an outbreak again? It's not like 10 people came on and said it happened again.
I have not seen a single post where someone was notified and brought in for their output shaft being bad. There was that early recall with the battery cable that they did that for but not this.

If mine was outside the range then I'd like to know what the range exactly was. Some cars built before mine and many, many built after mine were held. Several cars built before mine and some others around the same time have had their shafts snap. Thor was built LONG before this issue cropped up.

I'm not saying that this is an additional outbreak but that this issue was never resolved as GM said they would.
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I gota believe that even the "good transmissions" could break under hard starts & launches. I broke many an M21 and even a Rock Crusher once with my old Camaro so it could probably happen to anyone. I'm a mid 25,000 vin assembled in July and was held in QC for a couple of weeks. Not sure what the QC hold was for but it always makes think twice before I launch so I don't do it nearly as often as I would otherwise which is better for the car in general. If it goes I'm confident they'll fix it, I don't see a good reason to pull out a box that hasn't gone BOOM yet.
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hopefully i dont have to worry bout this since mine will be here next week
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Many of you are understandably concerned regarding whether your Camaro is potentially afflicted with the same issue that has caused a small group of 6-speed Camaro SS's to experience transmission output shaft breakage. Rest assured, GM has now represented that they will contact by phone *every* owner who currently owns a Camaro SS with 6-speed manual transmission IF it has or is suspected of having faulty parts which may lead to such issue. This will begin as soon as the GM's internal investigation into the issue is completed, hopefully within the next two weeks.

This means that if you do not hear from someone at GM regarding your car, then your transmission is fine.
But it wouldn't hurt to still put it to the test, wouldn't it? I plan on doing so near the dealer at some point.
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First of all, Great job GM. It makes me feel better about my Camaro. I have contacted GM Customer Service and they had no idea what I was talking about with regard to these reported failures. They did open a file and said I would be contacted if there were any issues. I hope NOT to hear from them. In the mean time, I'm enjoying the ride.
It is SOP to act like a deer in the headlights. GM is very aware of this problem and it appears this is the first public acknowledgment. And I don't know that you can rely on the fact that just because you don't get a call from GM, you can safely assume your output shaft will not fail in the future.

I own an 06 Subaru Outback with the "ghostwalking problem". Subaru has yet to publicly acknowledge, let alone fix, the problem. But when I took it my dealer, while they denied knowing anything about it, gave me a free rear end alignment (one of the band-aid fixes proposed to this point). But it is a real problem and by not fixing it, the company saves lots of $$.
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The way I see it, you have 5 years 100K miles to break something so hammer on.

If tremec keeps good records and you can narrow it down to a batch of output shafts that were heat treated or manufactured wrong, then they might be able to track these units down.

How many units affected? They may never know if they were lack in their inspection and record keeping.

Theres only one reason these break, they just plain arent strong enough and thats not normal.

I have only seen this happen once in my life, and I have been repairing manual transmissions for years.

It may not be a big deal when it happens, the guy who's trans I fixed had it happen back in 1993 and his car just stopped moving. It was a clean break. With the '10 Camaro's 2 piece driveshaft I really doubt it's gonna spit the driveshaft out either.

I suspect its a heat treating flaw.

Don't be suprised if they don't make many phone calls.
Makes sense to me.
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Years from now, people will.

If anyone has to get this swap done and they swap the entire trans, I'd suggest documenting it for that person that may ask down the road.

Personally, if anything happens to my motor or trans, I'd like the option of keeping it and repairing it down the road.

Plus, let's face facts. How many of these cars will actually still be in original condition 30 years from now? Makes those that are, that much more desirable.
Exactly correct. I have a 69 BB vette with the original drive train. They stamped numbers on to the engine (VIN) and tranny back then. Casting dates etc, determine originality to the car. Adds a lot to the value of the car 40 years from now.

I have the L99 but if I have the manual I'd want to keep the original tranny (and get it repaired) for adding value to the car later one.

Does anyone know if they stamp the VIN on the manual tranny?

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Interesting. So we've got some around 12,000 that broke and potentially up to the mid 20 thousands. That's a lot of cars that could have bad shafts.
If this information is helpful at all, my 6MT 2SS is 24,579 and was in QC for a bit immediately after they found the problem with the output shafts.

I haven't had any problems thus far...
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