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Old 01-14-2014, 07:36 PM   #1
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Keep L99 or trade into LS3

I have hit the peak of affordable mods on my car. Considering cams has me floored at cam and stall cost upto around 6g's!!! I can cam LS3 for 2 g's?!? Thinking of dumping auto and back to stick. Opinions?
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Old 01-14-2014, 07:38 PM   #2
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I have hit the peak of affordable mods on my car. Considering cams has me floored at cam and stall cost upto around 6g's!!! I can cam LS3 for 2 g's?!? Thinking of dumping auto and back to stick. Opinions?
So let me make sure I understand this :

You want to trade your L99 car for an LS3 car just to save money on a cam?

Just understand that if you do that, you will be saving money on a cam install, but you will be losing money on how much it will take to you get your car to run as fast as an L99 car, and not break anything.
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Old 01-14-2014, 07:45 PM   #3
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You'll lose more that 6gs in the trade...
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Old 01-14-2014, 07:58 PM   #4
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Yeah I think you will get doinked on trade.

I don't think L99 VVT cam is that much....

Cam $400
Lifters ?
Pushrods $150?
Various gaskets $100?
Labor $800?
Tune $400 on dyno?

What am I missing?
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Old 01-14-2014, 08:04 PM   #5
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It shouldn't cost that much but yes it is more to do a swap on a L99 vs LS3. Just the LS3 conversion will put you around $1,500 unless you can do all the work yourself. If someone is saying $6K to do it I would get another quote or ask around for some help on install. Just my .02
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Old 01-14-2014, 08:09 PM   #6
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i did my cam swap and afm delete for 1k for the materials and 800 for labor from a good friend who will charge the same for others. and we have a tuner locally. and this way you can be consistent at the track. just hit up texas speed and get their conversion kit and the cam you want. bring it to oklahoma and save yourself some money
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Old 01-14-2014, 08:23 PM   #7
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I have three quotes 4000-4700 cam install with parts. Stall is 1000-1500 install and parts. Seems ridiculous . My buddy has an auto c6 and was quoted 3700 for cam/stall installed for one of same places I checked. Shiznight I may have to head your way haha!!!
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Old 01-14-2014, 08:25 PM   #8
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come on up, i have the tuner and a couple of guys who can do the swap. save yourself a headache. if you're serious i can give you their contact info
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Old 01-14-2014, 08:30 PM   #9
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Ya I am definately...what cam you running, and are you stalled?
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Old 01-14-2014, 09:08 PM   #10
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Old 01-14-2014, 09:10 PM   #11
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You just want a stick to make more power? Or you run quicker at the track?
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Old 01-14-2014, 09:18 PM   #12
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I'm stuck at my power level ...4000+ Dollars just aint worth it for 60-80 hp
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Old 01-14-2014, 09:19 PM   #13
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stock stall, i'm running a vvt1 cam. i could go bigger on the cam but i wanted to keep my stock stall. hell aside from headers i'm on stock exhaust. just talk to texas speed and they can give you an idea of what cam you want vs your goals
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Old 01-14-2014, 09:27 PM   #14
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i have 1770 invested in my car, but i skipped on alot of bolt ons and went straight to bottle. as far as na i have headers and intake and a small cam. i dyno'd 417/422 through the auto. a little more porting on the intake and tb i could see 440 to the wheel possibly.
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Old 01-14-2014, 10:19 PM   #15
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I would like to run vvt2...
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Get with Rhino79 and get you a nice VVT cam so skip the LS3 conversion bud!
I would not let anyone else pick a VVT cam lol NO ONE but GPI
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Old 01-15-2014, 09:05 PM   #17
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Get with Rhino79 and get you a nice VVT cam so skip the LS3 conversion bud!
I would not let anyone else pick a VVT cam lol NO ONE but GPI
+1

Ryan has said on here that you can run his SS2 VVT cam with a stock stall. If you're racing, you'll want a stall but it's not needed. If you are planning a stall, go for his SS3 VVT cam and make 100+whp more. I think Ryan was around 480whp when he was running his SS3 cam. More importantly, he was running 10's with it. That's stock bottom and heads with zero suspension mods.

If you are drag racing, you'll appreciate having the L99 more. In addition to better consistency, you get to save a LOT of $$ on suspension mods. If you have any doubts, go look at the 1/4 fast list. Once you start modding, the automatics DOMINATE the top spots.
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[QUOTE=axis;7340750]+1

Ryan has said on here that you can run his SS2 VVT cam with a stock stall. If you're racing, you'll want a stall but it's not needed. If you are planning a stall, go for his SS3 VVT cam and make 100+whp more. I think Ryan was around 480whp when he was running his SS3 cam. More importantly, he was running 10's with it. That's stock bottom and heads with zero suspension mods.

If you are drag racing, you'll appreciate having the L99 more. In addition to better consistency, you get to save a LOT of $$ on suspension mods. If you have any doubts, go look at the 1/4 fast list. Once you start modding, the automatics DOMINATE the top spots.[/QUOTE

Wow he made that much from just a cam?
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Ryan has said on here that you can run his SS2 VVT cam with a stock stall. If you're racing, you'll want a stall but it's not needed. If you are planning a stall, go for his SS3 VVT cam and make 100+whp more. I think Ryan was around 480whp when he was running his SS3 cam. More importantly, he was running 10's with it. That's stock bottom and heads with zero suspension mods.

If you are drag racing, you'll appreciate having the L99 more. In addition to better consistency, you get to save a LOT of $$ on suspension mods. If you have any doubts, go look at the 1/4 fast list. Once you start modding, the automatics DOMINATE the top spots.[/QUOTE

Wow he made that much from just a cam?
Look at post 23 and 24

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...light=VVT+cams
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Old 01-16-2014, 06:25 AM   #20
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So is it you don't want to do a cam swap for your l99? Look at it this way, the bottom end of the engines are the same and the top end the lifters are different, valley cover, and front timing cover. A kit can be put together for under 300 to make the conversion if you don't decide to go aftermarket cam and arp head bolts or studs. It boils down to the point of wanting an auto or manual transmission. Considering the cost of trading in and losing because of the dealer I would just do a cam swap with ls3 setup.
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What does your car run now?

I'd do the stall now, get used to that. Cam next.

I've always had more luck drag racing auto cars. I also had a 02 Z06 for a few years, and never modded it. Folks asked me why, but it was a handful to hook and wheelhopped bad if I beat on it. But it was fun from a 40 roll.

I am not the quickest L99, but I've done a decent job of maxing out different combos...

Bone stock went 13.15@106, took about 15 tries. I could help any of you guys do better if you are local.

Under drive, headers, cats, 20" drag radials, tune, air intake.... 12.37@112. 20's up front. I think I could have worked that down a bit more.

Added a 3200 Circle D stall, ADM cooler, re-tune, RCR ported intake, 12.06 and best mph of 113.6. I'm sticking with this until it runs 11.9 (11.7 is my secret goal but I bet skinnies will be needed).

The heads, cam, and going for 11.2 to 10.99.

11.8 is +cam territory for a stick car. So hard to make those combos work.
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Old 01-16-2014, 12:57 PM   #22
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Tracks are slow here...DA is terrible ...13.3 1/4 headers and tune, 8.58 in 1/8th after DR's. Had tune updated and adjusted now so hoping to break into 12s here.


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Old 01-16-2014, 01:04 PM   #23
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I have hit the peak of affordable mods on my car. Considering cams has me floored at cam and stall cost upto around 6g's!!! I can cam LS3 for 2 g's?!? Thinking of dumping auto and back to stick. Opinions?
Only get a stick if it's the transmission you're after...doing it just to save money on a cam install would not be worth it in my opinion.

You don't have to change the stall if you don't want to...we just picked up 87 rwhp from heads/cam on an L99, designed the cam to keep the stock converter.
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I think there are a number of advantages when modding the the L99, especially with VVT cams, mild-wild. The L99 trans has some aggressive gear ratios, for instance, 4th gear is ~1.2x3.27=~3.92; that's 1LE territory.

I'm also looking at a cam change as my next significant engine mod, but the Camaro will be set-up for road courses, including FE3-FE4 suspension with ZL1 spec sways.

Since I'll be getting into the engine, going to 4.00" stroke (416ci) seems reasonable for my goals. Using Cordes in Mesa as a builder, will be using Ed Curtis to spec a billet core Lunati VVT camshaft, plus a Circle D single disc converter specified to my goals.

When built, this engine will easily make 500rwhp, but there's more with a VVT cam. Being able to advance low rpm timing increases low end power, same is true when retarding top end rpms. What is significant here is the amount of HP gains after peak HP has been reached. One article I read stated 41hp gain after peak HP, there's a lot more HP gains after peak with a VVT cam compared to LS3 designs.
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Huitt what track you race at? If it's high altitude, everyone is comparatively slower.
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