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Old 07-22-2009, 09:13 PM   #1
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Please post your recommendations on some basic upgrades that can be done to increase horsepower for the SS model?
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Old 07-22-2009, 09:22 PM   #2
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Intake, headers, exhaust, cam although Cam isn't really basic. Also getting the car tuned professionally.
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Old 07-22-2009, 10:12 PM   #3
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Intake, headers, exhaust, cam although Cam isn't really basic. Also getting the car tuned professionally.
Let's get even more basic... does a K&N Air Filter really increase HP? What about a Power Programmer? I guess I'm interested to see what basic upgrades can be done to increase HP without a Warranty Block. I've seen mixed reviews about tunning due to the issue I just mentioned. More thoughts?
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Old 07-22-2009, 11:51 PM   #4
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Bang 4 the Buck its going to be very hard to beat Long Tube headers and a custom tune. That should net you around 40rwhp.

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Old 07-23-2009, 12:20 AM   #5
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intake, headers,exhaust, tune. should get you 45-50 rwhp increase.
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intake, headers,exhaust, tune. should get you 45-50 rwhp increase.
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and of course the fact that voiding the warranty is not possible ...

If all you want is basic, I would go with headers and a tune and if those net you 40+ rwhp I could call it a day.

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Old 07-23-2009, 01:23 PM   #8
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You could always just put a magnacharger tvs2300 system on it.
Thats good for 120rwhp
Its not as cheap as the other options, but its a fairly simple install.
Smog legal, same gas milage, and very reliable.

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There isnt much that isnt going to void your warranty or parts of your warranty. K&N air filter maybe, but you might only pick up a few. Adding a less restrictive axle back exhaust would net you some, SLP loud mouth and few other companies are making the same product for axle bak basically it deletes the muffer and sounds better. You could probably do this and a filter and maybe get 15 more HP. Headers on back is going to cost you 2k probably and get you close to 50 hp, but there goes your warranty. Im adding new exhaust because i can live without a warranty on that. Im waiting till the warranty is up to do anything serious at that time, there will be a lot more products out and time to see what works and doesnt work. Also a product that cost x amount now will defintitely be less.
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There isnt much that isnt going to void your warranty or parts of your warranty. K&N air filter maybe, but you might only pick up a few. Adding a less restrictive axle back exhaust would net you some, SLP loud mouth and few other companies are making the same product for axle bak basically it deletes the muffer and sounds better. You could probably do this and a filter and maybe get 15 more HP. Headers on back is going to cost you 2k probably and get you close to 50 hp, but there goes your warranty. Im adding new exhaust because i can live without a warranty on that. Im waiting till the warranty is up to do anything serious at that time, there will be a lot more products out and time to see what works and doesnt work. Also a product that cost x amount now will defintitely be less.
Headers usually require a tune (to keep everything in check and to make good hp gains). That can put you into warrenty issues. Hadden Motorsports made a post in another thread where he said he's seen cars with engine issues (O rings or something like that) because they never got their cars tuned after getting headers.
Just something to think about. I've always gotten my cars tuned after getting headers.
Maybe some shorty headers would be Ok without a tune. But with long tube headers, you should definately get your car tuned.
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Okay, I called GM today and they said, as of today, there are only 3 approved basic performance upgrades that can be added without warranty issues. From what I understand, the parts should be ordered through a GM Performance Parts Dealer:

1. Shorty Headers: $1,000 MSRP - GM Part # 92213295 (Available 3Q)
2. Exhaust Upgrade Package: $950 MSRP - GM Part # 92206992 (Available now)
3. Air Box: $450 MSRP - GM Part # N/A (Available 3Q)

$2,400 in basic upgrades and guess how much HP this will add?
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I don't really know why we bother but ... here I go again.

YOU

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From what I hear not very much for that kind of dough. I would wait and enjoy my warranty if i were you and get the long tubes later. I'm not waiting I will be getting longtubes shortly just need to find a good tuner. Anybody know one in east tn?
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I don't really know why we bother but ... here I go again. YOU CAN'T VOID THE WARRANTY- SK
Just a suggestion...but it may be better etiquette to just state how you feel the correct comment should be made rather than respond immaturely because of verbiage.

Plain and simple, GM will not do warranty work if they find out performance modifications have been made and not approved by them.
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Just a suggestion...but it may be better etiquette to just state how you feel the correct comment should be made rather than act like a pinhead because of verbiage.

Plain and simple, GM will not do warranty work if they find out performance modifications have been made and not approved by them.
Plain and simple ... wrong. Read the various bulletins. They specifically point to a hard part failure caused by the modification. They are looking at things like blowing a rod, cracked piston, snapped drive shaft, things like that. We repeat this over and over and over again and all we ever hear back is "you voided my warranty" and "they will void your warranty if you put a sticker on the window" and it gets tiring.

Try making the same comment in 1/3 of your posts over the past 5 years then tell me about better etiquette.

Oh, and the pinhead comment? Etiquette, meet kettle. Was not needed.

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Plain and simple ... wrong. Read the various bulletins. They specifically point to a hard part failure caused by the modification. They are looking at things like blowing a rod, cracked piston, snapped drive shaft, things like that. We repeat this over and over and over again and all we ever hear back is "you voided my warranty" and "they will void your warranty if you put a sticker on the window" and it gets tiring.
Wow...I maybe new to this forum, but you are a very confused individual. Quoting from Short-Throw, "In the warranty booklet there are 4 separate notations that modifying the vehicle from the original production will void the warranty and repairs will not be covered...The bottom line is when a calibration is changed the car is altered and GM has stated it does not warrant repairs once the vehicle has been altered. I'm not sure why this is such a hard concept to grasp."
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Okay, I called GM today and they said, as of today, there are only 3 approved basic performance upgrades that can be added and still keep you factory warranty in tact. All of these parts have to be ordered by a Certified GM Performance Parts Dealer and must be installed by a GM certified technician to avoid warranty issues:

1. Shorty Headers: $1,000 MSRP - GM Part # 92213295 (Available 3Q)
2. Exhaust Upgrade Package: $950 MSRP - GM Part # 92206992 (Available now)
3. Air Box: $450 MSRP - GM Part # N/A (Available 3Q)

$2,400 in basic upgrades and guess how much HP this will add?

Please post who exactly at GM told you this. Thanks in advance.
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Wow...I maybe new to this forum, but you are a very confused individual. Quoting from Short-Throw, "In the warranty booklet there are 4 separate notations that modifying the vehicle from the original production will void the warranty and repairs will not be covered...The bottom line is when a calibration is changed the car is altered and GM has stated it does not warrant repairs once the vehicle has been altered. I'm not sure why this is such a hard concept to grasp."
Because GM does not have the power to set aside the MM act. They can not void the warranty. CAN NOT. All that they can do is not honor under warranty repair for that item on that day.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15/ch50.html

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Arrow I forgot to mention...

One more thing... GM-Tech said the official GM legal verbiage that is used is "Warranty Block".
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Because GM does not have the power to set aside the MM act. They can not void the warranty. CAN NOT. All that they can do is not honor under warranty repair for that item on that day.
Hence, the "Warranty Block". I will use this phrase going forward when posting to your comments, so that you don't flip out.
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oilcap? it makes it look faster..... :-p
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Please post who exactly at GM told you this. Thanks in advance.
GM Performance Parts customer service number is 1.800.450.4150. GM's website states, "The warranty does not cover damage caused by improper installation, negligence, or damage caused by the installation of parts that are not approved by GM." Also, the following website has some additional information:

http://www.gmaccessorieszone.com/Chevrolet/2010/Camaro/
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Lol... Can you believe GM charges $150 for that thing! Sheesh.
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GM Performance Parts customer service number is 1.800.450.4150. Also, the following website has some additional information:

http://www.gmaccessorieszone.com/Chevrolet/2010/Camaro/
So are you saying someone at the GM Performance Parts customer service center (probably a clerk?) told you this?
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