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Old 01-19-2014, 10:21 AM   #1
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brakes grabbing from at dead stop

Just picked up my 2013 1LE and driving back cross country from Oklahoma to San Diego. Bought a Valentine Radar Detector which has saved me about 6 times so far and 1200 miles later.

Car had 900 miles on it when I bought it….problem is this (and has only happened about 3 or 4 times): Sometimes when I take off from a dead stop if feels like the breaks are on in the rear and I have to literally step on the gas to get it to break free. You expect the car to jam out into traffic but it is like someone is holding you back. This happen to anyone else?

On a side note: my Navigation screen won't stay on when I have a usb in playing music….keeps going back to the usb screen by itself….any advice?

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Old 01-19-2014, 10:27 AM   #2
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Have you done a fuse pull? If someone put low octane fuel in before you bought it you could be stuck on the lower fuel table.
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Old 01-19-2014, 10:28 AM   #3
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Sounds like the stupid hill start assist crap kicking in.
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It sounds like you are experiencing the Hill Start Assist "feature". It will automatically hold the car from a dead stop if the brakes are applied. It is the worst feature ever on the car IMO. You can get rid of it but you have to replace the YAW sensor. There is a thread in the diy section of the forum...I will find the link for you. I did the mod on my car and haven't looked back.

Here ya go....http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=300649
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Old 01-19-2014, 10:31 AM   #5
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Sounds like the stupid hill start assist crap kicking in.

hmmm, that is kinda what if feels like…last time it happened I was on an incline for sure….do you know if you can turn that off??? If you can't drive a clutch you probably shouldn't own this car!
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Old 01-19-2014, 10:41 AM   #6
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It sounds like you are experiencing the Hill Start Assist "feature". It will automatically hold the car from a dead stop if the brakes are applied. It is the worst feature ever on the car IMO. You can get rid of it but you have to replace the YAW sensor. There is a thread in the diy section of the forum...I will find the link for you. I did the mod on my car and haven't looked back.

Here ya go....http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=300649

Thanks for the info…that sounds about right. It even did it in reverse yesterday on a hill that wasn't even really a hill.
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Old 01-19-2014, 10:43 AM   #7
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Thanks for the info…that sounds about right. It even did it in reverse yesterday on a hill that wasn't even really a hill.
Yep..It does it whenever you are stopped with the brakes applied...I absolutely hate it and switched sensors on my car first thing.
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Old 01-19-2014, 03:03 PM   #8
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Mine has done this 3 times already, I need to take it in to the dealer. Every time it has been level and its after I have started the car and its locking the brakes and smelling like burning clutch/brakes when I tried to drive.
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Old 01-19-2014, 11:21 PM   #9
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When it is engaged, their is a light on the dash and I think a message in the HUD.
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Old 01-20-2014, 12:05 AM   #10
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I would hesitate to change that part seeing as it may interfere or cause an unwanted effect with airbags.... Seems like it would be a great excuse to get out of the $10k mysterious airbag deployment
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I would hesitate to change that part seeing as it may interfere or cause an unwanted effect with airbags.... Seems like it would be a great excuse to get out of the $10k mysterious airbag deployment
It tells the computer your car is on an angle. Do your air bags deploy every time you get a tow? No. They're unrelated.
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Nothing showed on my dash could feel something wasn't right then the smell lol

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Old 01-20-2014, 12:36 AM   #13
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hmmm, that is kinda what if feels like…last time it happened I was on an incline for sure….do you know if you can turn that off??? If you can't drive a clutch you probably shouldn't own this car!
If it is hill assist you can game it. Let go of the brake early and your car will stay put for about 5 seconds then hill assist will turn off. Now gas and release the clutch like normal. Good luck.
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Old 01-20-2014, 12:41 AM   #14
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Mine has done this 3 times already, I need to take it in to the dealer. Every time it has been level and its after I have started the car and its locking the brakes and smelling like burning clutch/brakes when I tried to drive.
I have had this happen without hill assist two times. Once was parallel parking resulting where I didn't fit resulting in needing to turn the car 180 on the road. Normal driving. And it smelled like the clutch was burning up.

The second was pulling into a parking garage in San Francisco on a hill, again without hill assist being on, and the constant clutching and releasing and the sharp pavement angle getting into the parking garage resulted in wheel jitter and grabbing and eventually that same burning clutch smell.

Thank god this has only happened twice in a year.
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Old 01-20-2014, 01:26 AM   #15
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You sure you were in first and not in 3rd gear. Starting in third feels sluggish and takes a while to pick up speed. And you burn clutch in the process
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It tells the computer your car is on an angle. Do your air bags deploy every time you get a tow? No. They're unrelated.
So you believe a yaw sensor has absolutely nothing to do with an airbag system? Gm definitely did not just put a yaw sensor in the car to know if it is on a hill. The yaw sensor is also used to determine if the car is in a rollover condition, and to activate stability control. Im done on the subject. I agree hsa sucks, but will deal with it, or disable it in another way.
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Both instances with me it was under 5 mph he'll prob even 3mph.

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So you believe a yaw sensor has absolutely nothing to do with an airbag system? Gm definitely did not just put a yaw sensor in the car to know if it is on a hill. The yaw sensor is also used to determine if the car is in a rollover condition, and to activate stability control. Im done on the subject. I agree hsa sucks, but will deal with it, or disable it in another way.
I didn't say a yaw sensor has nothing to do with it, just the 3rd direction added to this one. The yaw sensor in the other 2 directions determines rollover protection. Its using the same part as all 10-12 cars and 13+ autos to remove HSA. The airbags deploy just fine in them, nor do they spontaneously pop for no reason. Stability control does not activate when you go up/downhill, it measures side to side motion with the 2 primary sensor directions and differences in front/rear wheel speed.

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I didn't say a yaw sensor has nothing to do with it, just the 3rd direction added to this one. The yaw sensor in the other 2 directions determines rollover protection. Its using the same part as all 10-12 cars and 13+ autos to remove HSA. The airbags deploy just fine in them, nor do they spontaneously pop for no reason. Stability control does not activate when you go up/downhill, it measures side to side motion with the 2 primary sensor directions and differences in front/rear wheel speed.
Airbags do pop on their own on these cars, maybe you should do some research.
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If you mean during road racing and autocross when those sensors experience 1.5 g's then they are functioning as designed and am fully aware. If you choose to remain ignorant and paranoid then so be it.
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Dude, if I can get my air bags to deploy, ceremonial style, while at a race course, I will declare that I've "won" that track day.
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Mine has done this 3 times already, I need to take it in to the dealer. Every time it has been level and its after I have started the car and its locking the brakes and smelling like burning clutch/brakes when I tried to drive.
getting the same smell...
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If you mean during road racing and autocross when those sensors experience 1.5 g's then they are functioning as designed and am fully aware. If you choose to remain ignorant and paranoid then so be it.
Hmmmm, is it just in your nature to come off as a prick in 99% of your posts? Yes, that is what I am referencing, especially as we are in a 1le track pack forum where most vehicles including mine may see track time. I'm done on the subject. You should re-evaluate some of the things you say to people, especially when you have no idea whom to, or what you are talking about.
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The modification uses the same OEM Yaw Sensor part number that is used in every single 5th Gen Camaro except 2013/2014 manuals.

That's somewhere around 330,000 Camaros with the same Yaw Sensor specified in the modification.
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Hmmmm, is it just in your nature to come off as a prick in 99% of your posts? Yes, that is what I am referencing, especially as we are in a 1le track pack forum where most vehicles including mine may see track time. I'm done on the subject. You should re-evaluate some of the things you say to people, especially when you have no idea whom to, or what you are talking about.
Then you should also know that the warranty wouldn't cover it anyways so the whole factless argument you've tried to create and can't back up to maintain a warranty that wouldn't cover the issue...?

Sorry you don't like information. If pointing out something you don't seem to understand is considered an attack then maybe you should do some research first like you suggested to me. What are the 2 data elements for a YAW sensor to get a reading? Now which one of those is NEVER present in a hill start situation. So the sensor that is present for HSA isn't a yaw sensor and is merely incline detection. Since you chose to not listen to my example of towing a car maybe that will help you understand.

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