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Old 01-24-2014, 04:51 PM   #18
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If I were in your position I would have already signed the deal.
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Old 01-24-2014, 05:01 PM   #19
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This is from a guy who hasn't driven or even seen a 1LE on the road.

But from what I have seen and read on here, for an add-on of $3500, the 1LE package is an awesome deal. I also think the 1LE appearance looks much meaner than a non-1LE.

Does it feel better than your 2010 with coilovers (and other mods)?

I know it's ridiculously expensive to buy/install all of the 1LE upgrades (tranny and wheels seem to be most expensive from what I recall), making it cheaper to buy the 1LE if you really want EVERYTHING, but couldn't you surpass the 1LE performance with mods if you are patient?

I wish my dealer would tempt me the same way so I could find out myself.

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Old 01-24-2014, 05:01 PM   #20
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I love my black 1LE! I said I'd never buy black but I seen this and put money down before seeing it in person.

One of those things I'll buy one sometime soon so might as well look around. Always a bad idea, although I did the same with my house but was lookin online for about a year until I went with financing and seriously started looking.

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Old 01-24-2014, 05:21 PM   #21
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If I were to pass on this particular car and decided to order one to my exact specs, what kind of lead time is to be expected? I'm not familiar with the new car process. Does the 1LE or Recaro package result in any longer of a delay for the process?

Oh dang, I just remembered that there's a randomly generated $1k credit that you can get from GM's website randomly too. Crap. They're making it too tempting!
You can't "order" a 1LE until mid Feb.
I would recommend atleast doing this. Find one with Recaros and drive it.
If you can live without the feel and looks you'll save yourself a couple grand.

But, I look at it this way, the Recaros will be a big plus for resale on these in the future.
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Old 01-24-2014, 05:24 PM   #22
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Hmm, well first off its a 2014 not a 2010. I really dislike the styling differences, ugly taillights squished frontend ect.

Second think about how much you can put into the SS that you would save not buying the 1LE, could build a lot more car for the extra money you would spend.

Yea, the black vinyl and wheels look nice, but for about 2grand you could do that if you wanted to.

If you already have an SS, I see no benefit to trading it in on a 1LE. If I were buying a new camaro straight out, then possibly the 1LE would be a good idea. Remember, its not a model, its just a package and its not limited. If you really want to trade up you might as well take the jump to a ZL1.
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Just remember 6th gen will probably be available in a little over a year. I'm waiting for that. I'd say just keep what you have, not worth losing your ass on trade in.
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I traded my Modded SS for a 1LE and happy with the upgrade. I worked over the dealer. I did not steal the 1LE, but I did get a fair deal with my persistance. 1LEs are slower at the drag strip, but more fun to drive, and kill on a road course.

Remember though, the 1LE ride is a bit rougher.
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96SS10SS - Does it feel better than my 2010 with coilovers? Tough to explain. They both handle great, but approach their handling characteristics in a different way. The coilovers give me the flexibility to really dial it in, but the 1LE really exposes the limitations of the other components (toelinks, control arms, etc etc) in their older design. The improvements are really noticable. With the 1LE, it's more of a point and shoot...by that I mean it gives you a better driver confidence...going where you want it to and asks for more. In comparison, my 2010, while still capable, takes more effort/finesse to control. Could I surpass the 1LE? Sure...the aftermarket has a ton of options...just takes time and (a lot more) money. But it'll still have the weaknesses that have been addressed in the last two generations of suspension designs since 2010. Gotta hand it to GM, they really made a solid case of shying away from the aftermarket here. This car's got muscle and control...all with a factory warranty.

Green Machine - I always said the same thing...black was not gonna be ok. But seeing this one in person...the only word that comes to mind: Sinister.
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Old 01-24-2014, 05:41 PM   #26
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96SS10SS - Does it feel better than my 2010 with coilovers? Tough to explain. They both handle great, but approach their handling characteristics in a different way. The coilovers give me the flexibility to really dial it in, but the 1LE really exposes the limitations of the other components (toelinks, control arms, etc etc) in their older design. The improvements are really noticable. With the 1LE, it's more of a point and shoot...by that I mean it gives you a better driver confidence...going where you want it to and asks for more. In comparison, my 2010, while still capable, takes more effort/finesse to control. Could I surpass the 1LE? Sure...the aftermarket has a ton of options...just takes time and (a lot more) money. But it'll still have the weaknesses that have been addressed in the last two generations of suspension designs since 2010. Gotta hand it to GM, they really made a solid case of shying away from the aftermarket here. This car's got muscle and control...all with a factory warranty.

Green Machine - I always said the same thing...black was not gonna be ok. But seeing this one in person...the only word that comes to mind: Sinister.

Agreed.

Sure you can mod your current car to death. But we all know you won't get anything back on it, so why not buy new?
The older 10-13's are dated, I'm not trying to down anyone's car as I love them all. But why else would GM do a "refresh''.

And encase you needed a little more persuasion.

A pic of mine.

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Old 01-24-2014, 06:18 PM   #27
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The big question is the trade in value they will give on your 2010?
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Old 01-24-2014, 06:27 PM   #28
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The big question is the trade in value they will give on your 2010?
THIS. If you are okay with losing 10 - 15k on the deal then go for it. Are you going to want to trade again next year to a 6th gen?
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Old 01-24-2014, 06:55 PM   #29
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Hmm, well first off its a 2014 not a 2010. I really dislike the styling differences, ugly taillights squished frontend ect.

Second think about how much you can put into the SS that you would save not buying the 1LE, could build a lot more car for the extra money you would spend.

Yea, the black vinyl and wheels look nice, but for about 2grand you could do that if you wanted to.

If you already have an SS, I see no benefit to trading it in on a 1LE. If I were buying a new camaro straight out, then possibly the 1LE would be a good idea. Remember, its not a model, its just a package and its not limited. If you really want to trade up you might as well take the jump to a ZL1.
You aren't considering everything that comes with the 1le package. It's much cheaper to trade in that try to build it piecemeal.

Here is the full list your 3500 buys you:
  • close ratio manual transmission that has higher final drive (3.91 vs. 3.45)
  • air-to-liquid cooling system lifted from the ZL1 (trans and oil coolers)
  • 20-inch wheels covered in Goodyear Eagle Supercar G:2 tires, 285 on all 4 corners
  • Improved wheel bearings (zl1)
  • Improved toe links
  • upgraded sub-frame bushes
  • Better rear shock mounts
  • rear monotube shocks
  • thicker antiroll bars(27mm front, 28mm rear)
  • strut-tower bar
  • beefed up the rear-axle half-shafts
  • ZL1's high-capacity fuel pump and additional fuel pickups were also added to prevent fuel starvation in hard-cornering situations.
  • matte-black hood
  • functional front splitter
  • rear spoiler
  • Oil catch can
  • red Brembo brake calipers
  • ZL1's flat-bottom, microfiber-covered steering wheel
  • short shifter topped with a microfiber shift knob.

And Don't forget electric power steering in 2013+ models. Tires alone are 1200 easy. Good light weight wheels with those tires will be way over the 3500 price alone.
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Old 01-24-2014, 07:01 PM   #30
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I'm not try to pick on anybody else's car either, but mods are the same as packages, you don't get anything back on either except to the right buyer. Sorry, but its the same perspective as one not paying more for a used car with leather seats than a used car with cloth seats. BTW I can mod a car for a lot less than what GM will sell it for.

I don't see how you can refer to a 1-4 year old car as dated. GM "refreshed" the Camaro to sell more. The market is flooded with 10-13s and sales were slowing. Yes many people will trade for the newest thing on the market, to each their own. I'm sure if we took a poll from what I've read on the forums the vote for those who like the 10-13 styling over the 14 would be significant.

One thing to keep in mind, the 5th gens will still be refered to as 2010's to the average person. Just like when the average person sees a first gen they automatically assume oh it's a 69.

Sorry for the rant.
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Old 01-24-2014, 07:13 PM   #31
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You aren't considering everything that comes with the 1le package. It's much cheaper to trade in that try to build it piecemeal.

Here is the full list your 3500 buys you:
  • close ratio manual transmission that has higher final drive (3.91 vs. 3.45)
  • air-to-liquid cooling system lifted from the ZL1 (trans and oil coolers)
  • 20-inch wheels covered in Goodyear Eagle Supercar G:2 tires, 285 on all 4 corners
  • Improved wheel bearings (zl1)
  • Improved toe links
  • upgraded sub-frame bushes
  • Better rear shock mounts
  • rear monotube shocks
  • thicker antiroll bars(27mm front, 28mm rear)
  • strut-tower bar
  • beefed up the rear-axle half-shafts
  • ZL1's high-capacity fuel pump and additional fuel pickups were also added to prevent fuel starvation in hard-cornering situations.
  • matte-black hood
  • functional front splitter
  • rear spoiler
  • Oil catch can
  • red Brembo brake calipers
  • ZL1's flat-bottom, microfiber-covered steering wheel
  • short shifter topped with a microfiber shift knob.

And Don't forget electric power steering in 2013+ models. Tires alone are 1200 easy. Good light weight wheels with those tires will be way over the 3500 price alone.
I know what it comes with. I have added some factory 1LE parts and aftermarket parts that very well out perform 1LE parts everywhere else.

I can out run a 1LE both in a straight line, and on a road course. My appearance mods are different than a 1LE and are to my own taste.

I have spent well less than the 15-20k you would loose trading a 2010 SS in on a 1LE. You did not consider that 3500 is the cost of the package, not the difference between trade in value of a 2010 and new cost of a 2014 1LE.


Let me re-iterate, a 1LE is probably a good deal if your getting into a V8 for the first time, it is not a good deal if your just looking to trade up an SS unless you have an boat load of miles on the SS.
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I'm not try to pick on anybody else's car either, but mods are the same as packages, you don't get anything back on either except to the right buyer. Sorry, but its the same perspective as one not paying more for a used car with leather seats than a used car with cloth seats. BTW I can mod a car for a lot less than what GM will sell it for.

I don't see how you can refer to a 1-4 year old car as dated. GM "refreshed" the Camaro to sell more. The market is flooded with 10-13s and sales were slowing. Yes many people will trade for the newest thing on the market, to each their own. I'm sure if we took a poll from what I've read on the forums the vote for those who like the 10-13 styling over the 14 would be significant.

One thing to keep in mind, the 5th gens will still be refered to as 2010's to the average person. Just like when the average person sees a first gen they automatically assume oh it's a 69.

Sorry for the rant.
A modded car will never sell for what a packaged car will sell for.
That's like saying a Supercharged car would sell for what a ZL1 would sell for.

A 1LE will sell for more than an SS that was modded to be close to what a 1LE is, I guarantee it. Plus you get more for your buck by buying the 1LE package. Price the wheels alone out.

As far as looks, it's ones preference. I'm not going to get in that debate. It's been beat to death.
Different strokes for different folks.
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A modded car will never sell for what a packaged car will sell for.
That's like saying a Supercharged car would sell for what a ZL1 would sell for.

A 1LE will sell for more than an SS that was modded to be close to what a 1LE is, I guarantee it. Plus you get more for your buck by buying the 1LE package. Price the wheels alone out.

As far as looks, it's ones preference. I'm not going to get in that debate. It's been beat to death.
Different strokes for different folks.
ZL1 is a different sub model, not a package. I am not trying to bash the 1LE, If I didn't have an SS already, I would have likely purchased the 1LE. I'm just trying to point out that its not worth the value lost on the trade in. No a supercharged SS is not worth as much as a ZL1, but it is worth more than a used 1LE, and the difference in price on the trade in would likely pay for 2 or 3 superchargers.
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Old 01-24-2014, 07:33 PM   #34
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Hmm, well first off its a 2014 not a 2010. I really dislike the styling differences, ugly taillights squished frontend ect.

Second think about how much you can put into the SS that you would save not buying the 1LE, could build a lot more car for the extra money you would spend.

Yea, the black vinyl and wheels look nice, but for about 2grand you could do that if you wanted to.

If you already have an SS, I see no benefit to trading it in on a 1LE. If I were buying a new camaro straight out, then possibly the 1LE would be a good idea. Remember, its not a model, its just a package and its not limited. If you really want to trade up you might as well take the jump to a ZL1.

I am going to disagree right there on the bolded part above. If you were to get Factory GM wheels that are on the 1LE (Not aftermarket look-alikes) the wheels are $1095 a piece from GM for a total if you were to go buy a set for $4380, then a set of the tires ~1200, so you are now up to $5580. Then $600 for a good vinyl wrap, Now you are at ~$6200. So not even close to your $2000 price tag.

Now, you cannot get Recaro's yet for the '10-'13 year models that are factory, which just about every person I have talked to that has the 10-13 yr model would give a left nut/ovary for them. And that is just from the SS to the 1LE.

And this is just IMO, but I prefer the looks of the '14's over the other years. More aerodynamic, not as gaudy front end and just looks cleaner. I have NOTHING against the 10-13's, but I am glad I didn't have the $ back then because I absolutely love the 14. Every aspect of it. So, take is for what its worth, if you were to poll it, yes you would get more people liking the 10-13 models because there are far less people that own the 14. It would not only be 1 sided, it wouldn't even be a contest. Everyone is going to love the style of Camaro they have or chances are they wouldn't still have it. I could go on, but I am going to stop. I love all Camaro's, and thats a fact.
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