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Old 01-24-2014, 04:41 PM   #26
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96SS10SS - Does it feel better than my 2010 with coilovers? Tough to explain. They both handle great, but approach their handling characteristics in a different way. The coilovers give me the flexibility to really dial it in, but the 1LE really exposes the limitations of the other components (toelinks, control arms, etc etc) in their older design. The improvements are really noticable. With the 1LE, it's more of a point and shoot...by that I mean it gives you a better driver confidence...going where you want it to and asks for more. In comparison, my 2010, while still capable, takes more effort/finesse to control. Could I surpass the 1LE? Sure...the aftermarket has a ton of options...just takes time and (a lot more) money. But it'll still have the weaknesses that have been addressed in the last two generations of suspension designs since 2010. Gotta hand it to GM, they really made a solid case of shying away from the aftermarket here. This car's got muscle and control...all with a factory warranty.

Green Machine - I always said the same thing...black was not gonna be ok. But seeing this one in person...the only word that comes to mind: Sinister.

Agreed.

Sure you can mod your current car to death. But we all know you won't get anything back on it, so why not buy new?
The older 10-13's are dated, I'm not trying to down anyone's car as I love them all. But why else would GM do a "refresh''.

And encase you needed a little more persuasion.

A pic of mine.

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Old 01-24-2014, 05:18 PM   #27
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The big question is the trade in value they will give on your 2010?
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Old 01-24-2014, 05:27 PM   #28
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The big question is the trade in value they will give on your 2010?
THIS. If you are okay with losing 10 - 15k on the deal then go for it. Are you going to want to trade again next year to a 6th gen?
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Old 01-24-2014, 05:55 PM   #29
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Hmm, well first off its a 2014 not a 2010. I really dislike the styling differences, ugly taillights squished frontend ect.

Second think about how much you can put into the SS that you would save not buying the 1LE, could build a lot more car for the extra money you would spend.

Yea, the black vinyl and wheels look nice, but for about 2grand you could do that if you wanted to.

If you already have an SS, I see no benefit to trading it in on a 1LE. If I were buying a new camaro straight out, then possibly the 1LE would be a good idea. Remember, its not a model, its just a package and its not limited. If you really want to trade up you might as well take the jump to a ZL1.
You aren't considering everything that comes with the 1le package. It's much cheaper to trade in that try to build it piecemeal.

Here is the full list your 3500 buys you:
  • close ratio manual transmission that has higher final drive (3.91 vs. 3.45)
  • air-to-liquid cooling system lifted from the ZL1 (trans and oil coolers)
  • 20-inch wheels covered in Goodyear Eagle Supercar G:2 tires, 285 on all 4 corners
  • Improved wheel bearings (zl1)
  • Improved toe links
  • upgraded sub-frame bushes
  • Better rear shock mounts
  • rear monotube shocks
  • thicker antiroll bars(27mm front, 28mm rear)
  • strut-tower bar
  • beefed up the rear-axle half-shafts
  • ZL1's high-capacity fuel pump and additional fuel pickups were also added to prevent fuel starvation in hard-cornering situations.
  • matte-black hood
  • functional front splitter
  • rear spoiler
  • Oil catch can
  • red Brembo brake calipers
  • ZL1's flat-bottom, microfiber-covered steering wheel
  • short shifter topped with a microfiber shift knob.

And Don't forget electric power steering in 2013+ models. Tires alone are 1200 easy. Good light weight wheels with those tires will be way over the 3500 price alone.
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Old 01-24-2014, 06:01 PM   #30
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I'm not try to pick on anybody else's car either, but mods are the same as packages, you don't get anything back on either except to the right buyer. Sorry, but its the same perspective as one not paying more for a used car with leather seats than a used car with cloth seats. BTW I can mod a car for a lot less than what GM will sell it for.

I don't see how you can refer to a 1-4 year old car as dated. GM "refreshed" the Camaro to sell more. The market is flooded with 10-13s and sales were slowing. Yes many people will trade for the newest thing on the market, to each their own. I'm sure if we took a poll from what I've read on the forums the vote for those who like the 10-13 styling over the 14 would be significant.

One thing to keep in mind, the 5th gens will still be refered to as 2010's to the average person. Just like when the average person sees a first gen they automatically assume oh it's a 69.

Sorry for the rant.
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Old 01-24-2014, 06:13 PM   #31
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You aren't considering everything that comes with the 1le package. It's much cheaper to trade in that try to build it piecemeal.

Here is the full list your 3500 buys you:
  • close ratio manual transmission that has higher final drive (3.91 vs. 3.45)
  • air-to-liquid cooling system lifted from the ZL1 (trans and oil coolers)
  • 20-inch wheels covered in Goodyear Eagle Supercar G:2 tires, 285 on all 4 corners
  • Improved wheel bearings (zl1)
  • Improved toe links
  • upgraded sub-frame bushes
  • Better rear shock mounts
  • rear monotube shocks
  • thicker antiroll bars(27mm front, 28mm rear)
  • strut-tower bar
  • beefed up the rear-axle half-shafts
  • ZL1's high-capacity fuel pump and additional fuel pickups were also added to prevent fuel starvation in hard-cornering situations.
  • matte-black hood
  • functional front splitter
  • rear spoiler
  • Oil catch can
  • red Brembo brake calipers
  • ZL1's flat-bottom, microfiber-covered steering wheel
  • short shifter topped with a microfiber shift knob.

And Don't forget electric power steering in 2013+ models. Tires alone are 1200 easy. Good light weight wheels with those tires will be way over the 3500 price alone.
I know what it comes with. I have added some factory 1LE parts and aftermarket parts that very well out perform 1LE parts everywhere else.

I can out run a 1LE both in a straight line, and on a road course. My appearance mods are different than a 1LE and are to my own taste.

I have spent well less than the 15-20k you would loose trading a 2010 SS in on a 1LE. You did not consider that 3500 is the cost of the package, not the difference between trade in value of a 2010 and new cost of a 2014 1LE.


Let me re-iterate, a 1LE is probably a good deal if your getting into a V8 for the first time, it is not a good deal if your just looking to trade up an SS unless you have an boat load of miles on the SS.
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Old 01-24-2014, 06:15 PM   #32
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I'm not try to pick on anybody else's car either, but mods are the same as packages, you don't get anything back on either except to the right buyer. Sorry, but its the same perspective as one not paying more for a used car with leather seats than a used car with cloth seats. BTW I can mod a car for a lot less than what GM will sell it for.

I don't see how you can refer to a 1-4 year old car as dated. GM "refreshed" the Camaro to sell more. The market is flooded with 10-13s and sales were slowing. Yes many people will trade for the newest thing on the market, to each their own. I'm sure if we took a poll from what I've read on the forums the vote for those who like the 10-13 styling over the 14 would be significant.

One thing to keep in mind, the 5th gens will still be refered to as 2010's to the average person. Just like when the average person sees a first gen they automatically assume oh it's a 69.

Sorry for the rant.
A modded car will never sell for what a packaged car will sell for.
That's like saying a Supercharged car would sell for what a ZL1 would sell for.

A 1LE will sell for more than an SS that was modded to be close to what a 1LE is, I guarantee it. Plus you get more for your buck by buying the 1LE package. Price the wheels alone out.

As far as looks, it's ones preference. I'm not going to get in that debate. It's been beat to death.
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Old 01-24-2014, 06:22 PM   #33
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A modded car will never sell for what a packaged car will sell for.
That's like saying a Supercharged car would sell for what a ZL1 would sell for.

A 1LE will sell for more than an SS that was modded to be close to what a 1LE is, I guarantee it. Plus you get more for your buck by buying the 1LE package. Price the wheels alone out.

As far as looks, it's ones preference. I'm not going to get in that debate. It's been beat to death.
Different strokes for different folks.
ZL1 is a different sub model, not a package. I am not trying to bash the 1LE, If I didn't have an SS already, I would have likely purchased the 1LE. I'm just trying to point out that its not worth the value lost on the trade in. No a supercharged SS is not worth as much as a ZL1, but it is worth more than a used 1LE, and the difference in price on the trade in would likely pay for 2 or 3 superchargers.
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Old 01-24-2014, 06:33 PM   #34
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Hmm, well first off its a 2014 not a 2010. I really dislike the styling differences, ugly taillights squished frontend ect.

Second think about how much you can put into the SS that you would save not buying the 1LE, could build a lot more car for the extra money you would spend.

Yea, the black vinyl and wheels look nice, but for about 2grand you could do that if you wanted to.

If you already have an SS, I see no benefit to trading it in on a 1LE. If I were buying a new camaro straight out, then possibly the 1LE would be a good idea. Remember, its not a model, its just a package and its not limited. If you really want to trade up you might as well take the jump to a ZL1.

I am going to disagree right there on the bolded part above. If you were to get Factory GM wheels that are on the 1LE (Not aftermarket look-alikes) the wheels are $1095 a piece from GM for a total if you were to go buy a set for $4380, then a set of the tires ~1200, so you are now up to $5580. Then $600 for a good vinyl wrap, Now you are at ~$6200. So not even close to your $2000 price tag.

Now, you cannot get Recaro's yet for the '10-'13 year models that are factory, which just about every person I have talked to that has the 10-13 yr model would give a left nut/ovary for them. And that is just from the SS to the 1LE.

And this is just IMO, but I prefer the looks of the '14's over the other years. More aerodynamic, not as gaudy front end and just looks cleaner. I have NOTHING against the 10-13's, but I am glad I didn't have the $ back then because I absolutely love the 14. Every aspect of it. So, take is for what its worth, if you were to poll it, yes you would get more people liking the 10-13 models because there are far less people that own the 14. It would not only be 1 sided, it wouldn't even be a contest. Everyone is going to love the style of Camaro they have or chances are they wouldn't still have it. I could go on, but I am going to stop. I love all Camaro's, and thats a fact.
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Old 01-24-2014, 06:40 PM   #35
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Old 01-24-2014, 07:10 PM   #37
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ZL1 is a different sub model, not a package. I am not trying to bash the 1LE, If I didn't have an SS already, I would have likely purchased the 1LE. I'm just trying to point out that its not worth the value lost on the trade in. No a supercharged SS is not worth as much as a ZL1, but it is worth more than a used 1LE, and the difference in price on the trade in would likely pay for 2 or 3 superchargers.
No, sorry there not. I looked at buying a Supercharged SS before I seen the 1LE's. There were MANY for under $30,000. I've not seen one 13' 1LE for that. Not even a low optioned 1LE. The 14's are not even in the same ball park.
I'm starting to sound like a broken record now so this is my final word on this.
The OP asked us to talk him out of buying the 14' 1LE. I just can't, it's a superior car to the SS. BTW, I did own a well modded 2010 2SS/RS so I can speak from experience.
Whatever you choose OP, make sure your decision is well thought out and don't look back.
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Old 01-24-2014, 07:28 PM   #38
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Old 01-24-2014, 08:11 PM   #39
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You also need the dual mode exhaust (NPP). I would look for another car with recaros and npp.
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Old 01-24-2014, 08:26 PM   #41
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Do it! I traded my modded 12 SS for a 13 1 LE and have not had any second thoughts.
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Old 01-24-2014, 08:35 PM   #42
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I would also do it. Coming from a modded and tuned 2010 to my 2013 my 13 was a nice upgrade, now that I have the 1LE rearend and suspension my car is night and day over how she was new as a 13.
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I am going to disagree right there on the bolded part above. If you were to get Factory GM wheels that are on the 1LE (Not aftermarket look-alikes) the wheels are $1095 a piece from GM for a total if you were to go buy a set for $4380, then a set of the tires ~1200, so you are now up to $5580. Then $600 for a good vinyl wrap, Now you are at ~$6200. So not even close to your $2000 price tag.

Now, you cannot get Recaro's yet for the '10-'13 year models that are factory, which just about every person I have talked to that has the 10-13 yr model would give a left nut/ovary for them. And that is just from the SS to the 1LE.

And this is just IMO, but I prefer the looks of the '14's over the other years. More aerodynamic, not as gaudy front end and just looks cleaner. I have NOTHING against the 10-13's, but I am glad I didn't have the $ back then because I absolutely love the 14. Every aspect of it. So, take is for what its worth, if you were to poll it, yes you would get more people liking the 10-13 models because there are far less people that own the 14. It would not only be 1 sided, it wouldn't even be a contest. Everyone is going to love the style of Camaro they have or chances are they wouldn't still have it. I could go on, but I am going to stop. I love all Camaro's, and thats a fact.
Ok now factor in what SS wheels and tires cost from GM, not much difference. $2000 I figured from the fact that new take off 1LE wheels have been going for around 1500 on this site, if you buy stock Pirellis, your gonna pay over 1200 so that point is null and void. As far as the wrap, you can wrap the whole car for under $1000 how do I know, I own a vinyl shop and have friends owns 2 other vinyl/tint shops. All 3 are in the park of 200-350 for just the hood depending on the quality of vinyl used. It would still be less than $600 to get it actually painted.

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No, sorry there not. I looked at buying a Supercharged SS before I seen the 1LE's. There were MANY for under $30,000. I've not seen one 13' 1LE for that. Not even a low optioned 1LE. The 14's are not even in the same ball park.
I'm starting to sound like a broken record now so this is my final word on this.
The OP asked us to talk him out of buying the 14' 1LE. I just can't, it's a superior car to the SS. BTW, I did own a well modded 2010 2SS/RS so I can speak from experience.
Whatever you choose OP, make sure your decision is well thought out and don't look back.
Sorry, that's misinformation, I have seen many supercharged SS cars bringing just as much and more than 1LEs with comparable miles. Granted an SS supercharged by an unknown shop or in some guys garage is gonna be lucky to bring what a stock SS will. Its all about reputation and proof of who did the work.

I'm sorry the value is just not there to trade in an SS on. Have a bad ass custom SS or a Stock SS with factory improved suspension (1LE) easy choice to go with the bad ass car .

I stick by my opinion on the styling, I was so excited when they announced changes for 2014 and very disappointed when they actually revealed them.

Will I own a 14 or 15 Camaro, yes I have every intention of purchasing a 2015 z/28 its really the only model that makes up for the styling changes IMO.
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I doubt it, even if GM owned the site I don't see it happening, I guarantee you I own more GM vehicles than 99% of the people on this site.
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I love dual black 1LE, but get one with less orange peel in the paint. Can see it in the picture you posted.
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Hmm, well first off its a 2014 not a 2010. I really dislike the styling differences, ugly taillights squished frontend ect.

Second think about how much you can put into the SS that you would save not buying the 1LE, could build a lot more car for the extra money you would spend.

Yea, the black vinyl and wheels look nice, but for about 2grand you could do that if you wanted to.

If you already have an SS, I see no benefit to trading it in on a 1LE. If I were buying a new camaro straight out, then possibly the 1LE would be a good idea. Remember, its not a model, its just a package and its not limited. If you really want to trade up you might as well take the jump to a ZL1.
Its not just wheels and flat black hood. There are suspension, body, and other benefits. I would pull the trigger. The handling alone is amazing.
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Hmm, well first off its a 2014 not a 2010. I really dislike the styling differences, ugly taillights squished frontend ect.

Second think about how much you can put into the SS that you would save not buying the 1LE, could build a lot more car for the extra money you would spend.

Yea, the black vinyl and wheels look nice, but for about 2grand you could do that if you wanted to.

If you already have an SS, I see no benefit to trading it in on a 1LE. If I were buying a new camaro straight out, then possibly the 1LE would be a good idea. Remember, its not a model, its just a package and its not limited. If you really want to trade up you might as well take the jump to a ZL1.
Its not just wheels and flat black hood. There are suspension, body, and other benefits. I would pull the trigger. The handling alone is amazing.
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I doubt it, even if GM owned the site I don't see it happening, I guarantee you I own more GM vehicles than 99% of the people on this site.
Sorry, didn't read your post...was replying to the OP. Only joking of course.
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