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Old 02-04-2014, 04:03 PM   #26
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I don't even like to pay MSRP and have not and will never pay a added dealer markup. It's basically robbery in my book. I have paid MSRP three times in my life and was hesitant each time. They were hard cars to get at the time and most dealers were charging a ADM on that model.
If everyone refused to pay over MSRP that practice would go away.
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Old 02-04-2014, 06:44 PM   #27
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Maybe from your perspective.
My dealer is selling mine at MSRP. They base their decision on a couple of things:
They want to see the car in the area, with the owner being a car enthusiast and one that will drive it and not store it.
The downside for selling above MSRP for them is that usually the buyers are from out of state or distant to some degree. This means that they won't ever see the car again. It also means that they won't make any money on any warranty work and who knows what else. They know this from experience selling high end/hard to get corvettes and camaros in the past.
That doesn't sound stupid to me.
So you don't think they could find someone local who drives the car to pay above MSRP?
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Old 02-04-2014, 07:52 PM   #28
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I don't even like to pay MSRP and have not and will never pay a added dealer markup. It's basically robbery in my book. I have paid MSRP three times in my life and was hesitant each time. They were hard cars to get at the time and most dealers were charging a ADM on that model.
If everyone refused to pay over MSRP that practice would go away.
If a buyer pays over or under MSRP the practice has nothing to do with it ever going away. It all boils down to supply and demand, just like 0001 went for way over MSRP and that was to charity. Now even if it was not charity it would have sold for more than MSRP. Why is it any different if a owner sold his car for more than blue book? There are many things out there selling for more and also less than MSRP. If you wait for two more years you can get a ZL1 and a Z28 for way less than they sold new. I will never pay over MSRP but there are some that will and nothing wrong with that, if that's what they want to pay so be it.
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If a buyer pays over or under MSRP the practice has nothing to do with it ever going away. It all boils down to supply and demand, just like 0001 went for way over MSRP and that was to charity. Now even if it was not charity it would have sold for more than MSRP. Why is it any different if a owner sold his car for more than blue book? There are many things out there selling for more and also less than MSRP. If you wait for two more years you can get a ZL1 and a Z28 for way less than they sold new. I will never pay over MSRP but there are some that will and nothing wrong with that, if that's what they want to pay so be it.
What I said was if everyone refused to pay over MSRP they would stop charging over MSRP.. It's because they know certian people are willing to pay over MSRP is the only reason they do it. As soon as all the Over MSRP buyers are done the prices always come down.
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Old 02-04-2014, 10:34 PM   #30
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There is no way that could happen. There are plenty of buyers willing to pay to get what they want, most cases that's how it works. We live in the best country in the world.
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There is no way that could happen. There are plenty of buyers willing to pay to get what they want, most cases that's how it works. We live in the best country in the world.
That is why they do it and in the long run it hurts everyone.
Luckily there are dealers that don't play that game. My local dealer is one of them.
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If a buyer pays over or under MSRP the practice has nothing to do with it ever going away. It all boils down to supply and demand, just like 0001 went for way over MSRP and that was to charity. Now even if it was not charity it would have sold for more than MSRP. Why is it any different if a owner sold his car for more than blue book? There are many things out there selling for more and also less than MSRP. If you wait for two more years you can get a ZL1 and a Z28 for way less than they sold new. I will never pay over MSRP but there are some that will and nothing wrong with that, if that's what they want to pay so be it.
I mentioned in an earlier post, in my opinion used 2014 Z/28 prices will track the same as the 2005/06 Ford GT. This Z/28 is an end of an era machine (and we know all the reasons why) not just the end of a body style run.
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I mentioned in an earlier post, in my opinion used 2014 Z/28 prices will track the same as the 2005/06 Ford GT. This Z/28 is an end of an era machine (and we know all the reasons why) not just the end of a body style run.
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We are selling our 2014 discounted from MSRP. Probably crazy but we're not a fan of charging over MSRP.
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I mentioned in an earlier post, in my opinion used 2014 Z/28 prices will track the same as the 2005/06 Ford GT. This Z/28 is an end of an era machine (and we know all the reasons why) not just the end of a body style run.
Cars are like computers, there are always going to be a new model. They also will not be a investment any time soon. If you think you can make only on a new car even if they make just a few, you are mistaken. It will be a long time before they will appreciate. Look at prices of the Ferrari 360 spider they are 1/3 what a 04 sold new.
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Old 02-05-2014, 11:16 AM   #36
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Cars are like computers, there are always going to be a new model. They also will not be a investment any time soon. If you think you can make only on a new car even if they make just a few, you are mistaken. It will be a long time before they will appreciate. Look at prices of the Ferrari 360 spider they are 1/3 what a 04 sold new.
There is no comparison between computers, a 360 Spider, and the 2014 Z/28.

And I happen to know both.
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MSRP here, and ordered was placed on Jan 24. I have all the paperwork.

MSRP is always the first question.

Never paid more than MSRP, and never will.
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Old 02-05-2014, 01:06 PM   #38
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There is no comparison between computers, a 360 Spider, and the 2014 Z/28.

And I happen to know both.
I also know both one is sitting in my hangar. Yes as far as new models there are comparisons, there will always be a new model that will come out and make the older model worth less.
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I wonder how a Z/28 stacks up against a Z51. What if your Z51 is faster on the track? For sure a '15 Z06 will be.

I would never pay ADM. Although I did once by not looking carefully at the contract. To soon old and too late smart. If you are patient you can do better.
Cool...I was beginning to think we would get though a whole Z/28 page without a "what about the Z51" comparison! There is always one!!!
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2014 at MSRP. Good to know there are still dealers who care about their customers and don't take this chance to rake us over the coals...

Here's my wife's reaction when I told her how some dealers are price-gouging on the Z/28:

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2014 at MSRP. Good to know there are still dealers who care about their customers and don't take this chance to rake us over the coals...

Here's my wife's reaction when I told her how some dealers are price-gouging on the Z/28:

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I mentioned in an earlier post, in my opinion used 2014 Z/28 prices will track the same as the 2005/06 Ford GT. This Z/28 is an end of an era machine (and we know all the reasons why) not just the end of a body style run.
If you really think a z28 will be a collectable like a Ford Gt your mislead.Ford Gt were made to commerate the racing cars of the 60s/70s they were legends.
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Know body will know what will be collectible in 30 40 years. If Chevy only made 1000 of anything it will be collectible in the long run in most cases. There were very little GTs made so that makes them what people want, if they make more at this time, that will drive the price right down the gutter of the older GTs
Also until the Z28 is bought, nobody knows what they are paying for it until they sign the sales slip. It's the total at time of sale that counts.
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If you really think a z28 will be a collectable like a Ford Gt your mislead.Ford Gt were made to commerate the racing cars of the 60s/70s they were legends.
While the Ford GT celebrates and commemorates a car that beat Ferrari, it was not the end of an era in 2005/6.

The 2014/15 Z/28 is the end of an era in automotive manufacturing. It is for this reason (and low production numbers) the Z/28 will, likewise, become a legend.
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While the Ford GT celebrates and commemorates a car that beat Ferrari, it was not the end of an era in 2005/6.

The 2014/15 Z/28 is the end of an era in automotive manufacturing. It is for this reason (and low production numbers) the Z/28 will, likewise, become a legend.
I am getting one, but do not think it will be worth more for a long long long time if that.
I hope you are right.
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I am getting one, but do not think it will be worth more for a long long long time if that.
I hope you are right.
The prime ingredient to the progress of limited production (not ultra-low) cars' appreciation is the state of the world economy. As the world economy goes, so goes the up or down-market timing of toy prices. But setting aside the timing, appreciation of this car is inevitable unless you believe the economy will never get back to where it once was.
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There may be a 2016 Z28 that will drive the cost down.
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There may be a 2016 Z28 that will drive the cost down.
In the relative short term horizon we will eventually see a hybrid Z28 that outperforms every Z/28 ever built. But this is only the short term.

For example, when you drive a 60's era muscle car (which is to say a 40 year old machine,) a prominent word that surfaces would be, "slop" as in slop in the fit, slop in the finish, slop in the steering, slop in the seats, etc. But we love them all the more for it.

A collectible cars transcends performance alone. Such cars eventually get a free ride by their buyers on what can't do well, or at all. In a paradoxical way their value goes up based in part on what they are not, not what they are. They are memories of a time we will never see again.

This Z/28 is just such a car.
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In the relative short term horizon we will eventually see a hybrid Z28 that outperforms every Z/28 ever built. But this is only the short term.

For example, when you drive a 60's era muscle car (which is to say a 40 year old machine,) a prominent word that surfaces would be, "slop" as in slop in the fit, slop in the finish, slop in the steering, slop in the seats, etc. But we love them all the more for it.

A collectible cars transcends performance alone. Such cars eventually get a free ride by their buyers on what can't do well, or at all. In a paradoxical way their value goes up based in part on what they are not, not what they are. They are memories of a time we will never see again.

This Z/28 is just such a car.
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If you really think a z28 will be a collectable like a Ford Gt your mislead.Ford Gt were made to commerate the racing cars of the 60s/70s they were legends.
I agree the Ford GT40 (BTW my all time favorite car) is far above and beyond a Z/28, however if I change Ford GT to Z/28 in your comment it still applies. These Z/28's "were made to commerate the racing cars of the 60s/70s they were legends."


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While the Ford GT celebrates and commemorates a car that beat Ferrari, it was not the end of an era in 2005/6.

The 2014/15 Z/28 is the end of an era in automotive manufacturing. It is for this reason (and low production numbers) the Z/28 will, likewise, become a legend.
I agree the Z/28 name brings to mind the legends of Trans Am racing in the 60's & 70's. This Z/28 takes one back no different than the Ford GT does the GT40.

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