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Old 02-04-2014, 07:35 PM   #26
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I love the idea of open bracket, that way you actually have a car count.
as far as index goes, heads up is the best way to go in my opinion, never really heard of bracket racing on an index. but I think I understand the concept, just a bracket race with the cars all within 1 sec of each other?
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Old 02-04-2014, 08:47 PM   #27
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I love the idea of open bracket, that way you actually have a car count.
as far as index goes, heads up is the best way to go in my opinion, never really heard of bracket racing on an index. but I think I understand the concept, just a bracket race with the cars all within 1 sec of each other?
We've actually had a lot of fun doing brackets the past 3 years. Fest #1 was index racing only. Fest #2 was brackets and 3 & 4 we've added individual classes but not without controversy. Hope to get it nailed down and keep things the same or close every year.
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Old 02-04-2014, 09:22 PM   #28
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Index is not quite like that.

A 13.0 car will leave the line 1.0 sec before the 12.0 car. They will meet at the end if each runs close to the time Index dialed in.
There's pros and cons to being the faster/slower car.
Also have to work harder to get the car to meet the 1sec or more typically 0.5s spread.
Normally- you have to claim it in advance-you can't change it on the fly. No this makes it harder cause you have to make the car run the air conditions too.
in just brackets-you more so pick the time the cars running at just prior and try to repeat it.
You cannot go under your claimed dial in on either style.

You may have known most of this, but info good for others.
Gotcha, kinda like NHRA Stock/Super Stock Class eliminations.
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If we did .5 sec index we would have over 20 classes. If one sec is too much then index should just be scraped. The classes are pretty much the same as last year except for Ship car and naming. I'll go back through and re-name them to match last year and we'll go from there.

Matching fast list categories is nice but tech gets very difficult and all it takes is for one person to run out of class and we have a 50 page thread discussing it.
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Index is not quite like that.

A 13.0 car will leave the line 1.0 sec before the 12.0 car. They will meet at the end if each runs close to the time Index dialed in.
There's pros and cons to being the faster/slower car.
Also have to work harder to get the car to meet the 1sec or more typically 0.5s spread.
Normally- you have to claim it in advance-you can't change it on the fly. Now this makes it harder cause you have to make the car run the air conditions too.
in just brackets-you more so pick the time the cars running at just prior and try to repeat it.
You cannot go under your claimed dial in on either style.

You may have known most of this, but info good for others.
No there would be no dial in. This would be heads up. After qualifying runs the cars running within the 1sec time slots would simply go head to head, same light. If your car ran a 11.9 then you could not run the 12 sec class and probably wouldn't do well in the 11 sec class but you never know. It went pretty well this way at Fest I. I was just trying to add this as an extra to Brackets so everyone would be involved with some side by side racing.
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is that regardless of what et/speed the car runs? I have my helmet already, but if its mandatory no matter the speed ill have to let my friends know.
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No there would be no dial in. This would be heads up. After qualifying runs the cars running within the 1sec time slots would simply go head to head, same light. If your car ran a 11.9 then you could not run the 12 sec class and probably wouldn't do well in the 11 sec class but you never know. It went pretty well this way at Fest I. I was just trying to add this as an extra to Brackets so everyone would be involved with some side by side racing.
That's how I figured it would be run, getting a good reaction time could make or break you in the index class.
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The only issue with the few classes there were was its kinda unfair. It's racing and anything can happen, I'm proof positive of that last year, but for example if someone lines up a supercharged daily driver against say my purpose built car....
Chances are it won't be pretty.

The bracket racing makes it an even playing field. Everyone will still have time to run balls out but as for a competition, as much as I hate it, bracket racing may be the fairest option.
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is that regardless of what et/speed the car runs? I have my helmet already, but if its mandatory no matter the speed ill have to let my friends know.
13.99 and quicker and you'll need a helmet.
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13.99 and quicker and you'll need a helmet.
standard NHRA rule then, thank you.
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standard NHRA rule then, thank you.
Yup. All the tech rules will be the same. Now if they enforce them is up to the track. Indy was very lax.
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Old 02-04-2014, 09:44 PM   #38
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At RPR, they usually check to see if you have a helmet, are wearing long pants, closed toed shoes, a shirt with sleeves, and if you have your number written on the windshield, passenger window, and rear glass. that's how it is at the monthly bracket races. If that's all in spec then youre good. so I guess that's considered relaxed.
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The only issue with the few classes there were was its kinda unfair. It's racing and anything can happen, I'm proof positive of that last year, but for example if someone lines up a supercharged daily driver against say my purpose built car....
Chances are it won't be pretty.

The bracket racing makes it an even playing field. Everyone will still have time to run balls out but as for a competition, as much as I hate it, bracket racing may be the fairest option.
Exactly why brackets will stay in play. I've watch this field the past 3 years have a blast w/ no complaints.

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I agree with Jamie above . Brackets with staggering start would be the fairest and easiest on newer racers.
the Heads up Index class makes little sense. You can't use qualifying for setting it up. If so -id just make my car run 14s the whole time and make a 30second change and sandbag as I go down the track waving to them. (No "I" wouldn't do this, but it would happen). So the fast cars have all the advantage.

The index style with staggering start is only one event, not one per time slot-unless heads up.

I didnt see the N/A (no power adder class) like last year-oops -just caught it. Now Jamie can go so I wouldn't get smoked literally.
I can already see index is not right for this crowd. We mod our cars and everyone is proud of the category they mod to so I've eliminated that and adjusted the classes so they read like last year. These were just put up quickly to get discussions going thanks to my buddy TPower..

Don't get too wrapped up (or scared) of the shop cars. We need to see who is actually coming before that is addressed.

New Classes are posted and old stuff was deleted from posts so it doesn't get confusing.
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Exactly why brackets will stay in play. I've watch this field the past 3 years have a blast w/ no complaints.


I can already see index is not right for this crowd. We mod our cars and everyone is proud of the category they mod to so I've eliminated that and adjusted the classes so they read like last year. These were just put up quickly to get discussions going thanks to my buddy TPower..

Don't get too wrapped up (or scared) of the shop cars. We need to see who is actually coming before that is addressed.

New Classes are posted and old stuff was deleted from posts so it doesn't get confusing.
NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA DID I SAY it get's CONFUSING lolololol
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Exactly why brackets will stay in play. I've watch this field the past 3 years have a blast w/ no complaints.


I can already see index is not right for this crowd. We mod our cars and everyone is proud of the category they mod to so I've eliminated that and adjusted the classes so they read like last year. These were just put up quickly to get discussions going thanks to my buddy TPower..

Don't get too wrapped up (or scared) of the shop cars. We need to see who is actually coming before that is addressed.

New Classes are posted and old stuff was deleted from post so it doesn't get confusing.
What constitutes a shop car?

I see that the any driver has been posted. At least everyone knows before any racing but you should drive your own car.
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What constitutes a shop car?

I see that the any driver has been posted. At least everyone knows before any racing but you should drive your own car.
There is no shop car class so shop car doesn't need defined.

Pretty sure I'm going to add a C7 Vette unlimited class as well.
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Looks good Mike.
im hoping to find some buddies that normally run times close to me for some good heads up test n tune. Its great to go down the whole way close. Its good practice to see the time vs car spread at the end.
Looking forward to the event and matching more faces to user names.
Id be content in just tnt practice, but race adrenalin fixes are good too for us oldies.
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Thanks for the constructive help. I'm going to do some fast list reviews and try and catch everyone.
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Thanks for addressing my question/comment.
I'll keep,a watch for what you guys work out.
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Any chance you'll lump all v6s stock or modified into one class? If you truly had very little v6s show up then separating them won't help. Also if someone has a modified v6 they'd have to race in the modified class with the modified v8s. Or you could do a v6 class with everything but FI but then at that point we r just splitting hairs. Just an opinion. Is it also 100 to race this year again?
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Exactly why brackets will stay in play. I've watch this field the past 3 years have a blast w/ no complaints.


I can already see index is not right for this crowd. We mod our cars and everyone is proud of the category they mod to so I've eliminated that and adjusted the classes so they read like last year. These were just put up quickly to get discussions going thanks to my buddy TPower..

Don't get too wrapped up (or scared) of the shop cars. We need to see who is actually coming before that is addressed.

New Classes are posted and old stuff was deleted from posts so it doesn't get confusing.
Im guessing this is going to cost me a bunch of Canadian Beer for mlee
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Yup I'm going to kill you... I almost started this thread last night, but so much to consider. Here goes anyway...

BRACKET RACING: Any 5th-gen Camaro

STOCK V6: Any V6 5th-gen Camaro. CAI and/or Catback only, are allowed. No Headers, tune, engine, brake, or suspension modifications. No under 200-treadwear tires or drag radials.

STOCK V8: Any V8 5th-gen Camaro. CAI and/or Catback only, are allowed. No Headers, tune, engine, brake, or suspension modifications. No under 200-treadwear tires or drag radials.

MODIFIED: Any naturally-aspirated street-licensed 5th-gen Camaro (no nitrous)

M6 STREET TIRES: Any manual transmission 5th-gen Camaro on street tires

ZL1 UNLIMITED: Any ZL1 Camaro

SUPER-MODIFIED: Any force-inducted IRS 5th-gen Camaro. Unlimited modifications. Any driver.

UNLIMITED: Gen 1-4, Drag Car or non-IRS 5th Gen, Any driver

C7 Stingray: Unlimited C7 Corvette
These changes probably do fit the crowd better. Supermod here I come...lol...won't be hugely competitive, but hey...it's the experience and for fun!

Honest question though, why not just hit the easy button and make the classes just like our fast lists? Men from the boys type shoutout. The DA will change everyone's times but we get to see the guys in the ladder that show up truly run against each other.
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These changes probably do fit the crowd better. Supermod here I come...lol...won't be hugely competitive, but hey...it's the experience and for fun!

Honest question though, why not just hit the easy button and make the classes just like our fast lists? Men from the boys type shoutout. The DA will change everyone's times but we get to see the guys in the ladder that show up truly run against each other.
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that's what I'm saying...Fast list shootout FTW (no 1/8th only...just 1/4 mi fast list shootout...should have clarified). Run the crap all sportsman tree heads up. Add on one bracket class for you guys that like it.
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that's what I'm saying...Fast list shootout FTW (no 1/8th only...just 1/4 mi fast list shootout...should have clarified). Run the crap all sportsman tree heads up. Add on one bracket class for you guys that like it.
While that would be great and make it feel very much like a Camaro5 specific event, that would be 13 V8 classes, 3 V6 classes plus bracket and exhibition classes. That would be a lot to keep track of and make tech difficult for the track personnel.
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