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Old 02-05-2014, 10:49 AM   #1
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Sorry guys,

I know I've been hammering this forum with seat-oriented threads, but ordering opens up in 6 days and the wife is all over the place with what she wants and doesn't want in the car.

We sat in Recaros last weekend but after seeing the leather, she really wants a 2SS. Doing that however, puts us over budget so I have to forgo the Recaros. I'm trying to convince her that because of the Alcantara inserts, the 1SS and 2SS Recaros are very similar and we should save the $3K+ and stick to a 1SS.

Can someone with a 1SS 1LE with Recaros put up some shots of their interior so I can show my wife how nice it looks
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Old 02-05-2014, 11:28 AM   #2
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The front Recaro seats are exactly the same regardless of 1SS or 2SS. Only the back seats are changed from cloth to leather when you go for 2SS.
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just took some quick pics of the seats hope this will help you
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Old 02-05-2014, 11:39 AM   #4
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Is that a 1SS or a 2SS? The bolsters look like leather, are they?

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these seats are on 1ss and there are vinyl not leather 1ss or 2ss the recaros
for camaros are the same
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Old 02-05-2014, 12:19 PM   #6
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Is that a 1SS or a 2SS? The bolsters look like leather, are they?

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The front Recaro seats are exactly the same regardless of 1SS or 2SS. Only the back seats are changed from cloth to leather when you go for 2SS.
The side bolsters are leather.
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Old 02-05-2014, 12:21 PM   #7
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Sorry Pyrolysis, don't know how I missed your first response. Awesome - just the info I was looking for.
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Old 02-05-2014, 01:42 PM   #8
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Seen few threads on wear of the alcentera shift knobs after 10K or less miles not sure how the seats will hold up if they will look beat up or worn in 20k miles.
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Old 02-05-2014, 02:06 PM   #9
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Seen few threads on wear of the alcentera shift knobs after 10K or less miles not sure how the seats will hold up if they will look beat up or worn in 20k miles.
Alacantra isn't new to being used in automobile interiors.
Many Mfgs have used it over the years.
Like anything else it requires proper care.

1SS doesn't have the heated Recaro seats though right?
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Old 02-05-2014, 06:13 PM   #10
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Alacantra isn't new to being used in automobile interiors.
Many Mfgs have used it over the years.
Like anything else it requires proper care.

1SS doesn't have the heated Recaro seats though right?
It is another material. If you neglect it - expect it to stay looking new without any effort it will look "worn", or "beat down" - but it isn't really. A little TLC can bring it right back to life.

Billy - tell your wife, if it matters, that as nice as the leather looks - the suede/cloth is noticeably more comfortable on the seating surfaces.

I have the Recaros - granted, in a 2SS....and they're simply amazing! This isn't MY car - but it may as well be the same interior:
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Old 02-05-2014, 06:49 PM   #11
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There is no difference between the 1ss and 2ss recaros. Recaros are recaros, they are all the same.


Are you willing to mod the car.

The 1ss trim work (cloth) for the door and dash inserts isn't as nice as the 2ss. This can be changed.

The one thing that would be very difficult to replicate from 2ss to 1ss is the HUD. It is far from easy. If you could live without HUD I would go 1ss with recaros and plan to change the door and dash trim and have the rear seat re-upholstered to match the recaros. It would look sick! I looked at the 1ss's and wouldn't be able to cope with the cloth trim coming from a 2ss. But I also was struggling paying for 2ss and recaros when a big selling point of 2ss is the leather which you are replacing with recaros.

If you do the math the price difference for the 2ss is a decent value and can't be duplicated for less.

You shouldn't let your wife influence this so much. Get what you want and ask for forgiveness later. To be honest my wife didn't see my 1le until it was delivered to my place, and she didn't see the zl1 until after we signed the paper work....we walked out of the dealership, she saw it and said "hmmm, red, I like it". I didn't even realize I had never told her what car I was buying.
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Old 02-05-2014, 06:52 PM   #12
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Billy - tell your wife, if it matters, that as nice as the leather looks - the suede/cloth is noticeably more comfortable on the seating surfaces.
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100% agree! I went from 2ss leather to the zl1 suede and it's a big difference. I imagine the suede is similiar from zl1 to recaro.

I sat in the recaros. Nice seats! But a bit tight for me, I like to lean a bit.
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Old 02-05-2014, 07:19 PM   #13
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I was in the same situation as you when ordering my 1LE. I ended up going with a 2SS without recaros. I do like the recaros, but i think getting in and out of it a lot will be a pain. Im not a big guy either (5'7" 155lbs) but they seem they are a little tight when if your not buying the car to race it multiple times a year. I think the stock 2SS seats are nice and hold you in when taking a turn still.

also, the goodies in the 2ss are really cool, I think its worth the extra $$$. The HUD alone is really a treat.
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Old 02-05-2014, 07:20 PM   #14
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I bought the 1LE with Recaros, I love them. Alcantara is used on all high end Lambos, Porsche... I saw no value to the 2SS with the Recaros, care less if the rear seats were leather and didn't care about the light package. I ordered more oriented toward taking it to the track, Recaros make it easy to add harness. I wish they weren't powered, I'd rather save the weight and the $$, no one else drives the car and I'll never change the seat position any way.
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Old 02-05-2014, 07:34 PM   #15
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There is no difference between the 1ss and 2ss recaros. Recaros are recaros, they are all the same.

Are you willing to mod the car.

The 1ss trim work (cloth) for the door and dash inserts isn't as nice as the 2ss. This can be changed.

The one thing that would be very difficult to replicate from 2ss to 1ss is the HUD. It is far from easy. If you could live without HUD I would go 1ss with recaros and plan to change the door and dash trim and have the rear seat re-upholstered to match the recaros. It would look sick! I looked at the 1ss's and wouldn't be able to cope with the cloth trim coming from a 2ss. But I also was struggling paying for 2ss and recaros when a big selling point of 2ss is the leather which you are replacing with recaros.

If you do the math the price difference for the 2ss is a decent value and can't be duplicated for less.

You shouldn't let your wife influence this so much. Get what you want and ask for forgiveness later. To be honest my wife didn't see my 1le until it was delivered to my place, and she didn't see the zl1 until after we signed the paper work....we walked out of the dealership, she saw it and said "hmmm, red, I like it". I didn't even realize I had never told her what car I was buying.
1) No, other than functional things like skip-shift eliminator and clutch/brake reservoir separator, there will be no modifications to this car.

2) I don't like the HUD.

3) We are definitely NOT doing 2SS + Recaros. The choice is down to 1SS + Recaros or a 2SS. I want the 1SS + seats but the wife really wants the heated seats and the HUD.

4) My wife and I run all purchases over $20 through each other before we buy anything. The idea that I wouldn't get her input and consider her feelings/desires for this car is foreign to me. I want her to be comfortable in it because I want her to both enjoy the car with me, and I want her to drive it as often as she can.
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Old 02-05-2014, 07:45 PM   #16
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I bought the 1LE with Recaros, I love them. Alcantara is used on all high end Lambos, Porsche... I saw no value to the 2SS with the Recaros, care less if the rear seats were leather and didn't care about the light package. I ordered more oriented toward taking it to the track, Recaros make it easy to add harness. I wish they weren't powered, I'd rather save the weight and the $$, no one else drives the car and I'll never change the seat position any way.
I also want the Recaros for the track. I've got quite a bit of seat time at Lime Rock and Watkins Glen but had to give that up a decade ago because I was living well outside my means. Times and finances are different now and a couple of track days + some autocrosses each year will not be an issue.

You misunderstand though. I want the 1SS + Recaros, the wife wants the 2SS (which would preclude the Recaros since we're not spending over $40K on this car - no way). I had originally thought that the 1SS Recaros had cloth on the bolsters instead of the leather bolsters you got with the 2SS Recaros (which she saw, sat in, and liked). So I came here looking for pictures to show her that since the seats are MOSTLY covered in Alcantara anyway, the little difference in the bolster material wouldn't be very noticeable. Luckily, I learned that the Recaros are actually leather in the 1SS - and that just might be the thing that gets me the 1SS I want.

As far as the power ... I'm glad they are and wish they had driver memory since we'll split driving duties approximately 75%/25%. Nothing hotter (in my eyes anyway) than my wife driving a white 1LE:

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1) No, other than functional things like skip-shift eliminator and clutch/brake reservoir separator, there will be no modifications to this car.

2) I don't like the HUD.

3) We are definitely NOT doing 2SS + Recaros. The choice is down to 1SS + Recaros or a 2SS. I want the 1SS + seats but the wife really wants the heated seats and the HUD.

4) My wife and I run all purchases over $20 through each other before we buy anything. The idea that I wouldn't get her input and consider her feelings/desires for this car is foreign to me. I want her to be comfortable in it because I want her to both enjoy the car with me, and I want her to drive it as often as she can.
I wasn't suggesting not to get her input. But it seems your building the car for her, not for you, or the both of you. Both the 2ss and recaro seats are good seats, neither is un enjoyable or uncomfortable so get the ones the whoever will be driving e car most would prefer. It's like asking which is a better cut, a filet and a bone in ribeye....it's a personal choice only you can make! Not a filet and canned tuna.

When she runs that splitter into a curb parking the car you'll rethink wanting her to drive it as much as she can.

The cars going to have better resale value down the road with recaros
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Old 02-05-2014, 08:57 PM   #18
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I wasn't suggesting not to get her input. But it seems your building the car for her, not for you, or the both of you. Both the 2ss and recaro seats are good seats, neither is un enjoyable or uncomfortable so get the ones the whoever will be driving e car most would prefer. It's like asking which is a better cut, a filet and a bone in ribeye....it's a personal choice only you can make! Not a filet and canned tuna.

When she runs that splitter into a curb parking the car you'll rethink wanting her to drive it as much as she can.

The cars going to have better resale value down the road with recaros
Building the car for her? Not at all. I know what I want, I know what she wants, I trying to see if I can convince her that the 2SS is not worth the money over the 1SS.

As far running the splitter into a curb .. then I buy a new one. A guy at work who refuses to let his wife drive his Challenger said something similar, in his case he was afraid my wife, who will be learning to drive stick with this car, would kill my transmission. If that's what happens, so be it, it's only a car. People learn by making mistakes and if I wasn't willing to have some mistakes made, I wouldn't be buying this car.

I do not car about resale value. This car will be worth nothing when the time comes to get rid of it.
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There is no difference between the 1ss and 2ss recaros. Recaros are recaros, they are all the same.
Are you 100% sure? Because I know they engineered two versions: One for the ZL1 and 2SS equipped with power actuation and heat - and another with manual slide and no heat for the 1SS and Z/28. Both have suede/leather combination....

I don't know if the manual slide will make a different to the OP.

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100% agree! I went from 2ss leather to the zl1 suede and it's a big difference. I imagine the suede is similiar from zl1 to recaro.

I sat in the recaros. Nice seats! But a bit tight for me, I like to lean a bit.
They are similar...just a bit skinnier than the ZL1 seats, and a bunch more supportive. The thing that took the longest to get used to wast the shoulder supports. But now - I don't notice, and feel like I'm strapping into a spaceship every time I get in...so much support...so many gadgets...so much performance.
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Are you 100% sure? Because I know they engineered two versions: One for the ZL1 and 2SS equipped with power actuation and heat - and another with manual slide and no heat for the 1SS and Z/28. Both have suede/leather combination....
You're right. Should've been clearer. I was talking about looks and feel of the recaros between 1ss and 2ss. Same look, same feel.

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Are you 100% sure? Because I know they engineered two versions: One for the ZL1 and 2SS equipped with power actuation and heat - and another with manual slide and no heat for the 1SS and Z/28. Both have suede/leather combination....

I don't know if the manual slide will make a different to the OP.



They are similar...just a bit skinnier than the ZL1 seats, and a bunch more supportive. The thing that took the longest to get used to wast the shoulder supports. But now - I don't notice, and feel like I'm strapping into a spaceship every time I get in...so much support...so many gadgets...so much performance.
So glad you posted. Is it just the slide aspect or are the Recaros in the 1SS different in their adjustability?

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Somebody with 1SS Recaros needs to chime in cause I'm pretty sure they have heat and power movement in both 1 and 2SS. In post #3 of this thread you can see that the 1SS Recaros have both power controls.
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Somebody with 1SS Recaros needs to chime in cause I'm pretty sure they have heat and power movement in both 1 and 2SS. In post #3 of this thread you can see that the 1SS Recaros have both power controls.
Agreed. Need clarification on heated or not. But pretty confident they are all power

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So glad you posted. Is it just the slide aspect or are the Recaros in the 1SS different in their adjustability?

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Again, it's the same seat. They don't have 1ss & 2ss recaros. It's just recaros. Same adjustability. Not sure if heated or not because that's tied into the car.

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i have recaros on my 1ss 1le and they are not heated they are all power, only on 2ss they come heated and powered
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