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Old 03-09-2010, 10:33 PM   #1
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What is going on with my car??

I have a 2SS manual. I took delivery Aug. 7th and currently have a little over 9,000 miles. Thursday the car was running normal when we took it out for a spin and to fill the gas tank. Friday morning my husband went to take it to our dealer to get the oil changed, when he started the car there was a loud and very noticable ticking/knocking noise coming from the engine. This is the 1st time we have heard this sound, best way to describe it is the sound made when a kid puts a card in the spokes of a bicycle and rides around only louder. It can be heard with the windows up or down and the speed of the ticking increases with acceleration. However no other problems such as decreased power or warning lights. Anyway he takes it to the dealer and they give it a quick look while changing the oil. The tech says it sounds like a lifter is stuck. However they were busy and said they would get to it on Monday....Monday came and went with no answer and then today at 2 I finally got a call from the service manager. He informs me that they are sure its not a lifter stuck but that they basically have no clue what it is! Apparently him and the tech have spent the whole day on the phone with different departments at GM and still have no clue what is causing the sound. Anybody had an issue like this? It is not the same ticking people have asked about when the car is first started. This is there from the time you start the car till you shut it off.
One other problem I have them looking at while it is in is a transmission problem. Not every time but on a few occasions when downshifting to 2nd gear it will not let you put it in to 2nd gear, at the time I have this problem it can be varying speeds but not high speed.
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Old 03-09-2010, 11:19 PM   #2
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I would have the dealer check for an exhaust manifold leak. I have no idea regarding
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There have been some reports of the roller bearings falling out of the rocker arms, but a lot of these cases happen with aftermarket cams. This is certainly a possiblity. Either way, the tech should use a stethoscope to isolate the source and probably pull the valve cover to see if anything is wrong. I'd of thought GM would authorize some type of further diagnostics to be done.
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Old 03-10-2010, 11:10 AM   #4
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I would have the dealer check for an exhaust manifold leak. I have no idea regarding
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I have asked them to check this out this morning but haven't heard anything back.

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There have been some reports of the roller bearings falling out of the rocker arms, but a lot of these cases happen with aftermarket cams. This is certainly a possiblity. Either way, the tech should use a stethoscope to isolate the source and probably pull the valve cover to see if anything is wrong. I'd of thought GM would authorize some type of further diagnostics to be done.
Hmm maybe I'll suggest it to them, although I have the stock cam. The only aftermarket parts are a CAI and SLP Loudmouth exhaust, they were put on within a few weeks of us taking delivery so I don't think it has to do with either of them, could be wrong of course. Still playing the waiting game they have to find something soon!!
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Old 03-11-2010, 10:35 AM   #5
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all the 4rth gens I owned v6 or v8 had a slight ticking/taping sound that seamed to be comming from the air box/ intake and especially if you had a aftermarket air intake. I beleive it's called valve taping. I don't recall ever hearing it inside the car , you could only hear it when you got close to the front of the car. Anyhow from my understanding slight valve taping is not a big deal. One way to fix it is getting a louder exhaust.
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Old 03-11-2010, 10:38 AM   #6
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Oh man. ls1's had piston slap, and mad valve train noise. AKA sewing machine noise.
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Old 03-11-2010, 10:50 AM   #7
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I'm just wondering why do people downshift? I have never and I mean never downshifted in anycar. I simply slap it in N and just brake and depending on where the speed is determines which gear I throw it into. Sorry off topic just wanted to ask that since you mentioned downshifting.

And yes I have been driving manuals for over 15 years so no I'm no rookie
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Old 03-11-2010, 10:58 AM   #8
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Trouble is its hard for any of us to diagnose as we can't hear it. Take it for a second opinion if they can't find it.
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I remember that the early version's of the LS engines had a knocking nosie, weird well good luck with everything.
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I'm just wondering why do people downshift? I have never and I mean never downshifted in anycar. I simply slap it in N and just brake and depending on where the speed is determines which gear I throw it into. Sorry off topic just wanted to ask that since you mentioned downshifting.

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Old 03-11-2010, 11:27 AM   #11
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I'm just wondering why do people downshift? I have never and I mean never downshifted in anycar. I simply slap it in N and just brake and depending on where the speed is determines which gear I throw it into. Sorry off topic just wanted to ask that since you mentioned downshifting.

And yes I have been driving manuals for over 15 years so no I'm no rookie
When I say downshift I don't mean going down in each gear as the car slows down. I meaning that if I'm cruising along and have to slow down and then go to a lower gear that if it is 2nd gear it doesn't always allow me to go in to 2nd I have to go into another gear or put in N and let off the clutch and try to go into gear again. I know it isn't driver error since I have no problem shifting from 1st to 2nd with no problem or when slowing down shifting into any other lower gear. And it doesn't happen all the time. Anyway I got off topic here too LOL! I started out driving a manual 14 yrs ago however it had been a few yrs since I drove one till I got my car in August so I'm somewhat of a rookie I guess.
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all the 4rth gens I owned v6 or v8 had a slight ticking/taping sound that seamed to be comming from the air box/ intake and especially if you had a aftermarket air intake. I beleive it's called valve taping. I don't recall ever hearing it inside the car , you could only hear it when you got close to the front of the car. Anyhow from my understanding slight valve taping is not a big deal. One way to fix it is getting a louder exhaust.
This isn't any slight noise, it is loud and can't no way be normal. It just started this noise last Friday and we have had the CAI on since about a week or so after we got the car in August.
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Injectors? Mine has a tick as well, but it's not really all that loud.. I'm sure it's just the injectors. My LT1 had significant injector tick.
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This isn't any slight noise, it is loud and can't no way be normal. It just started this noise last Friday and we have had the CAI on since about a week or so after we got the car in August.


Hmmm maybe the mechanic started it and forgot to put oil in first? Then just threw the oil in and tried to pass it off like everything is cool.

Very well could be a spun bearing if that happened. I would think the car would pull mad timing thinking it was knock, but you never know.
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Hmmm maybe the mechanic started it and forgot to put oil in first? Then just threw the oil in and tried to pass it off like everything is cool.

Very well could be a spun bearing if that happened. I would think the car would pull mad timing thinking it was knock, but you never know.
Nope not the mechanics error, it started that morning when my husband started the car to leave and take it in for the oil change.....just perfect timing since we already had an appt I guess. That was the first thing they checked when they pulled it in though was the oil.
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I'm just wondering why do people downshift? I have never and I mean never downshifted in any car. I simply slap it in N and just brake and depending on where the speed is determines which gear I throw it into. Sorry off topic just wanted to ask that since you mentioned downshifting.

And yes I have been driving manuals for over 15 years so no I'm no rookie
Your not supposed to. Imagine you down shifting the Transmission coming up to a stop light. Your Transmission will absorb most of the forward force, which your Brake rotors and and Pads usually do.

By throwing it in Neutral, your completely eliminating the drivetrain resistance you had when you were in gear. Now the complete weight of your car, and it's force have to be slowed down by the Brake alone.

Does this make any sense? Just try downshifting slowly when your coming up to a red light. Don't worry, you wont blow the transmission.

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Injectors? Mine has a tick as well, but it's not really all that loud.. I'm sure it's just the injectors. My LT1 had significant injector tick.
Injector's wouldn't "Tick" like that, it's definitely Valvetrain related. Something like that can't be diagnosed correctly over the internet, take it in to your local Chevy Dealer.
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Your not supposed to. Imagine you down shifting the Transmission coming up to a stop light. Your Transmission will absorb most of the forward force, which your Brake rotors and and Pads usually do.

By throwing it in Neutral, your completely eliminating the drivetrain resistance you had when you were in gear. Now the complete weight of your car, and it's force have to be slowed down by the Brake alone.

Does this make any sense? Just try downshifting slowly when your coming up to a red light. Don't worry, you wont blow the transmission.


Injector's wouldn't "Tick" like that, it's definitely Valvetrain related. Something like that can't be diagnosed correctly over the internet, take it in to your local Chevy Dealer.
No I know all that and know what downshifting feels like thats why i said i don't understand why people do it.
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Does an automatic shift into neutral when slowing down to allow the brakes to do all the work? No it doesnt, it runs through the gears the same way.

On topic, nothing to the OP than what has been said. Wish you good luck.
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Thanks everyone....as of 4 pm today the service manager called me to give an update. They still don't have the exact problem but have found that it is coming from the bottom of the engine at that time they were waiting approval from GM to proceed any further, he seemed pretty confident that they would have an answer by tomorrow.....got my fingers crossed!!! Even though it is not my DD I miss it BAD!!! On the other issue with all the back and forth with the engine noise they have yet to look at the transmission.
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Old 03-12-2010, 10:39 PM   #21
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Your not supposed to. Imagine you down shifting the Transmission coming up to a stop light. Your Transmission will absorb most of the forward force, which your Brake rotors and and Pads usually do.

By throwing it in Neutral, your completely eliminating the drivetrain resistance you had when you were in gear. Now the complete weight of your car, and it's force have to be slowed down by the Brake alone.

Does this make any sense? Just try downshifting slowly when your coming up to a red light. Don't worry, you wont blow the transmission.


Injector's wouldn't "Tick" like that, it's definitely Valvetrain related. Something like that can't be diagnosed correctly over the internet, take it in to your local Chevy Dealer.
I'm sorry to tell you that injectors do tick. I just bought my 1SS & the tick is from the injectors. My 2006 Yamaha FZ1 injectors do tick & can get quite loud. I am a mechanic by trade & have had people bring their autos to me, not knowing what this is. As far an the feeling in the brake pedal. It IS the ABS. I just purchased my 1SS three days ago & my drivway is pretty steep & as soon as I get to the bottem the ABS system kicks in for a moment. Nothing wrong at all as it's just a cycling check.
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did you notice any change in oil pressure? If your oil pressure didn't change at all it's not likely a bearing. which is good news.

mabye a cracked/loose exhaust manifold or collector? those often happen suddenly without warning and can be very loud and annoying. and if you didn't notice much perfomance difference that could be a culprit. I had some headers on a 400 sbc that no matter how you tightened/sealed them you could always hear some ticking, but usually very quiet and you'd only hear it if you knew what you were looking for.

if the shop thinks it's coming from the bottom of the motor, but your oil pressure didn't change and the oil is clean it could very well be something in your transmission and the vibration is being put to the crank so it sounds like the engine is the problem. might be related to the problem shifting into 2nd, sounds like a bad syncro in the trans anyway.

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So the noise DOES occur at a standstill?? I hear a similar ticking noise (like the card-in-spoke you described), but have yet to figure it out. Mine tends to be the most noticeable at any speed above around 23 mph. Otherwise, it's not too bad.
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did you notice any change in oil pressure? If your oil pressure didn't change at all it's not likely a bearing. which is good news.

mabye a cracked/loose exhaust manifold or collector? those often happen suddenly without warning and can be very loud and annoying. and if you didn't notice much perfomance difference that could be a culprit. I had some headers on a 400 sbc that no matter how you tightened/sealed them you could always hear some ticking, but usually very quiet and you'd only hear it if you knew what you were looking for.

if the shop thinks it's coming from the bottom of the motor, but your oil pressure didn't change and the oil is clean it could very well be something in your transmission and the vibration is being put to the crank so it sounds like the engine is the problem. might be related to the problem shifting into 2nd, sounds like a bad syncro in the trans anyway.

hope they figure it out for you!
Nope no change in oil pressure. I wouldn't think it is related to the transmission, it makes the sound at startup and never goes away. In neutral you can give it some gas and it accelerates with the engine.

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So the noise DOES occur at a standstill?? I hear a similar ticking noise (like the card-in-spoke you described), but have yet to figure it out. Mine tends to be the most noticeable at any speed above around 23 mph. Otherwise, it's not too bad.
Yep as soon as you fire it up it starts making the noise....as for being more noticeable at higher speeds it isn't any louder but it faster than at a standstill. If it doesn't sound to bad to you at a standstill yours may be one of the other "normal" ticks the guys have talked about on here.

Anyhow as an update call as of this morning the exact words to me were that everything they have been told to test and check by GM research and development have checked out to be fine and that if the issue is not found today they will be pulling the motor. The Service Manager is supposed to contact me as soon as GM gives them the ok....so being that I have had a bad morning already and was in the middle of being a witness to an accident (whole other story) when they called I didn't ask the questions I should have I just took the info and hung up, I'm assuming that "pulling the motor" means replacing it??? It was mentioned to me last week by another person at the dealer that if they couldn't find something soon they would most likely replace the entire engine. This waiting game sucks! I miss my car! It has been in the shop since the 5th and about 2 weeks before that was the last time I had a chance to drive it....having withdrawls!!!!
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Oh ok, thanks for clarifying to me. I hope my noise is just 'normal', even though it doesn't sound normal to me.

I feel for ya though. I hope whatever they end up doing fixes your problem.
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