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Old 07-26-2009, 08:11 PM   #1
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Ain't complaining - well, maybe just a little about the slow SS

Ok - no complaints as I'm lucky enough to own a '07 GT500, an '08 Viper ACR (1 of 4 in color, 1 of 1 in options), and the '10 Camaro SS 6MT. By far, the SS is the slowest of the bunch, the GT500 is the most streetable (dual clutch is sweet!), and the Viper is the hairy-chested, kick-ass beast by a mile.

My last 400-hp range car I owned was an '07 SRT8 Superbee, which felt slow off the line with the automatic but would catch up quick. Prior to that I owned an '04 Cobra 'Vert, and I beat the the heck out of it from day 1 and it was always super fast from stock. Anyway, the point - or complaint - is where are we losing these 426 ponies in the Camaro that is just doesn't feel that fast? I hoping it's rear gears, which is an easy swap, but am interested in what the community says about how to get 'em back on par without dropping an extra $10k to do it.
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Good question. Most likely the weight and poor gears.


I got one for you: How does your GT500 have a Dual Clutch?
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:03 AM   #3
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How many miles do you have?

I have read many posts on here about the car "coming alive" after 1500 - 3000 mile break in. I have also read similar on a Corvette forum in the past.
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Viper ACR= 600HP beast of a supercar
GT 500= Supercharged $50,000 car
Camaro SS= $34,000 machine

Why are you comparing these?
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Old 07-27-2009, 07:56 AM   #5
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The GT500 has a dual-plate ceramic-coated clutch system. It offers more surface area than a single disc system, and less intertia to get it all spinning, which results in the engine coming up faster, and easier engagement. It takes some getting used to going between the two cars (GT500 and Camaro, which uses a single-disc system).

I'm just breaking in the Camaro, with only about 260 miles on the clock. You're right that it just might wake up past break-in. Guess I'll have to do some driving
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Old 07-27-2009, 08:16 AM   #6
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Viper ACR= 600HP beast of a supercar
GT 500= Supercharged $50,000 car
Camaro SS= $34,000 machine

Why are you comparing these?
Agreed, why don't you just compare it to the Veyron while you're at it.
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Old 07-27-2009, 08:28 AM   #7
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The GT500 has a dual-plate ceramic-coated clutch system. It offers more surface area than a single disc system, and less intertia to get it all spinning, which results in the engine coming up faster, and easier engagement. It takes some getting used to going between the two cars (GT500 and Camaro, which uses a single-disc system).

I always understood that the double clutch (dual plate) just provided better engagement and less clutch slippage when you were pushing more power. I don't see how it would have anything to do with inertia or the engine coming up faster.
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Old 07-27-2009, 08:54 AM   #8
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Agreed, why don't you just compare it to the Veyron while you're at it.
I'm only comparing the cars that I own, or have owned - just happens to be what I have. Ok - the Viper ACR may not be a fair comparison, as it is a barely street legal race car that you have to pay attention to all the time when driving. However, the GT500 and Camaro are a little closer - in price anyway - as my Camaro listed for a touch over $40k.

Anyway, the closest comparison may that of my '07 SRT8 Superbee and '04 Mustang Cobra (both of which I no longer own). The Camaro definitely feels faster than the Superbee did off the line - I don't know how they'd match up on a slow roll as the Superbee would launch poorly and then go like a bat out of hell from 20+MPH on. I think I'll give this one to the Camaro. The '04 Mustang - supercharged 4.6 with 400 factory rated horsepower - just plain seemed to haul ass. Looking back on specs, it's listed as a 12.9 1/4 mile car vs the Camaro which seems to be somewhere around mid-13s (understanding that Camaro data is still coming in).

I'll wait until break-in is complete, but am starting to wonder what - short of adding a supercharger - can be done with a few bucks (say a ceiling of $2k) to bring up performance of the SS and shave 5 or 6 tenths off the car.
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Old 07-27-2009, 08:59 AM   #9
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Exhaust, CAI and a tune will get you what you're looking for in the money range you are expecting.






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I'm only comparing the cars that I own, or have owned - just happens to be what I have. Ok - the Viper ACR may not be a fair comparison, as it is a barely street legal race car that you have to pay attention to all the time when driving. However, the GT500 and Camaro are a little closer - in price anyway - as my Camaro listed for a touch over $40k.

Anyway, the closest comparison may that of my '07 SRT8 Superbee and '04 Mustang Cobra (both of which I no longer own). The Camaro definitely feels faster than the Superbee did off the line - I don't know how they'd match up on a slow roll as the Superbee would launch poorly and then go like a bat out of hell from 20+MPH on. I think I'll give this one to the Camaro. The '04 Mustang - supercharged 4.6 with 400 factory rated horsepower - just plain seemed to haul ass. Looking back on specs, it's listed as a 12.9 1/4 mile car vs the Camaro which seems to be somewhere around mid-13s (understanding that Camaro data is still coming in).

I'll wait until break-in is complete, but am starting to wonder what - short of adding a supercharger - can be done with a few bucks (say a ceiling of $2k) to bring up performance of the SS and shave 5 or 6 tenths off the car.
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Less than 5.0 seconds from 0-60 is hardly what I call slow... someone needs a reality check. You're definitely not going to get track-bred Viper performance for $34k, only God knows what you expected.
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The GT500 has a dual-plate ceramic-coated clutch system. It offers more surface area than a single disc system, and less intertia to get it all spinning, which results in the engine coming up faster, and easier engagement. It takes some getting used to going between the two cars (GT500 and Camaro, which uses a single-disc system).

I'm just breaking in the Camaro, with only about 260 miles on the clock. You're right that it just might wake up past break-in. Guess I'll have to do some driving
The 2007 GT500 does not have a dual clutch.



And your post still fails to make much sense to me. The car has 75hp less than the one you are directly comparing it too and 175hp less than the one your indirectly comparing it to. Did you expect it to pull as hard?



this should be posted in the Camaro vs. R8 section. lol.
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The 2007 GT500 does not have a dual clutch.



And your post still fails to make much sense to me. The car has 75hp less than the one you are directly comparing it too and 175hp less than the one your indirectly comparing it to. Did you expect it to pull as hard?



Should this be posted in the Camaro vs. R8 section?
As far as I know twin-plate/dual-plate and dual-clutch aren't the same thing.
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Old 07-27-2009, 09:53 AM   #14
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As far as I know twin-plate/dual-plate and dual-clutch aren't the same thing.
"the GT500 is the most streetable (dual clutch is sweet!)"

Direct quote from the OP
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Less than 5.0 seconds from 0-60 is hardly what I call slow... someone needs a reality check. You're definitely not going to get track-bred Viper performance for $34k, only God knows what you expected.
Well, no but he said he paid over 40k for his Camaro (loaded I take it, it is not automatically 34k everytime somebody buys one of these things).
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Well, no but he said he paid over 40k for his Camaro (loaded I take it, it is not automatically 34k everytime somebody buys one of these things).
But that extra 6k doesn't get you extra performance, it gets you luxury stuff.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm no GM apologist, I tried my hardest to talk my dad out of an Impala 2 weeks ago. It's just that I think this is an unfair fight. It's like Floyd Mayweather Jr. trying to take on a heavy weight champ. Not that the Camaro is the best car pound for pound, but it's arguably the best in its class.
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But that extra 6k doesn't get you extra performance, it gets you luxury stuff.
If you just wanted the performance stuff why not just spend the 31k on the 1SS, isn't the 34k for the 2SS just extra luxury stuff? Lets be realistic here, who is only ordering base model Camaros anyways? From what I am seeing most are being sold with the "luxury stuff" so the 34k is hardly a correct estimate
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Don't get me wrong, I'm no GM apologist, I tried my hardest to talk my dad out of an Impala 2 weeks ago. It's just that I think this is an unfair fight. It's like Floyd Mayweather Jr. trying to take on a heavy weight champ. Not that the Camaro is the best car pound for pound, but it's arguably the best in its class.
The 370z / 135i / Evo X / Camaro SS / A4 are the best in the 30-40k price bracket.

The GT500 is in a different price bracket.
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If you just wanted the performance stuff why not just spend the 31k on the 1SS, isn't the 34k for the 2SS ust extra luxury puff? Lets be realistic here, who is only ordering base model Camaros anyways? From what I am seeing most are being sold with the "luxury puff" so the 34k is hardly a correct estimate
Said stuff not puff. 34k after tax and title is about right.
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The 370z / 135i / Evo X / Camaro SS / A4 are the best in the 30-40k price bracket.

The GT500 is in a different price bracket.
Dont forget the new STi that runs around 13.4 in the quarter...
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:41 PM   #22
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I think once you hit 1500 miles and get the oil changed, you'll feel the difference. Plus for not a lot of money (under $5K) you can do the basic 3...exhaust, tune and intake.

From the price you listed I'd say you are running 21 inch wheels too...that will make the car a bit slower for sure. But even with them and the $5K spent, you'll enjoy the ride!
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i own srt 8 challenger and 2005 viper truck lots of mods u cant compare these 50k plus cars and 500hp to the new camero its just not fair. ps i have 2010 rjt 2ltssrs auto and it will hang with both of my dodges. not branded to any one name i like muscle cars all of them.
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As far as I know twin-plate/dual-plate and dual-clutch aren't the same thing.
agreed. i always thought that dual clutchs were found in top end performance cars, to give you the true manual flappy paddle gear box, but still have an automatic mode. The things that are found in Ferraris and Lamborghinis
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I'd like to see this car... LOL
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