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Old 02-20-2014, 08:01 PM   #26
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I would also have more faith in the olm if when you changed the oil it could tell, but it cant, because it doesn't monitor anything about the oil it's self.
Did you read article I posted the link to? I mean its proven technology that has only gotten better since GM started using it in the 1980's.
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Until recently, the question of when to change your oil was usually answered by your local garage, which had a vested interest in servicing your car every 3,000 miles. Your alternative was to crack the owner's manual to see whether your driving habits fell into the "severe" or "normal" category. And then you'd let the listed interval be your frequency guide.

But increasingly, the change-interval question is being answered by a vehicle's oil life monitoring system, which signals the driver through the instrument panel. This alert usually arrives anywhere between 5,000 and 8,000 miles.

So how does the system know when it's time for a change? Electronic sensors throughout the drivetrain send information about engine revolutions, temperature and driving time to the car's computer. The data is run through a mathematical algorithm that predicts when the oil will begin to degrade. The light comes on well in advance, giving the owner time to get the car serviced.

Oil life monitoring systems have been around for several decades. They were introduced in General Motors vehicles in the late 1980s and have been phased in slowly, said Matt Snider, project engineer in GM's Fuels and Lubricants Group. "We are very confident in the accuracy of the system," he said. The average recommendation from the system for GM vehicles is 8,500 miles, Snider said. He said that the longest oil change interval he was personally aware of was 17,000 miles in a colleague's car. For 2010 vehicles, 14 of 35 manufacturers use oil life monitoring systems.

Real-World Evidence
The oil life monitoring system in a 2007 Honda Fit Sport owned by an Edmunds.com editor signaled for an oil change at 5,500 miles, due to a lot of around-town driving. Later, under highway conditions, the system (which Honda calls a "maintenance minder") came on at 7,600 miles. Clearly, the system had detected different driving conditions and adjusted accordingly.

When we had the oil changed, we captured a sample and sent it to Blackstone Laboratories. Showing the conservative nature of the oil life sensors, the analysis showed the oil had at least 2,000 miles of life left in it.

A long-term 2008 Pontiac G8 GT driven by Edmunds went 13,000 miles before the monitoring system indicated the need for an oil change. We also sent a sample of that oil to a lab for analysis. The result: The oil could actually have safely delivered at least another 2,000 miles of service. "With an oil life system, we can use the software to tailor an oil drain interval to the behavior of a certain customer," Snider said.

Freed From the Schedules
Perhaps the best thing about oil life monitoring systems is that they free car owners from the confusing exercise of slotting themselves in the normal or severe driving schedules listed in the owner's manual. Severe conditions are described differently by various carmakers, but some "severe" conditions that they frequently cite are driving in stop-and-go traffic, towing, excessive idling and driving in the mountains.

In many cases, quick-oil-change outlets and dealerships' service departments encourage frequent oil changes by claiming that every driver falls in the severe category. This begs the question: Why have a normal category at all? Oil life monitoring systems put an end to the debate by reacting to how you actually drive.

Using an Oil Life Monitoring System
If your car has an oil life monitoring system, read your owner's manual to get a feel for how it's going to communicate with you. In general, the systems are designed to be easily understood and used. Some systems will display the percentage of oil life left so you can schedule a service visit. The systems factor in plenty of extra time for the driver who procrastinates. For additional motivation, however, some systems will display a negative number to show just how overdue the oil change is.

When a technician changes the oil, he resets the monitoring system. Do-it-yourselfers can easily do the reset, too, just by using a series of commands found in the owner's manual
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Old 02-20-2014, 08:27 PM   #27
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What is interesting is that when they changed my oil they put on a sticker for next service due 3k miles from when they changed it, yet they'll probably say it isn't due.
Yeah that is BS & the ONE YEAR is correct - glad you kept calling. However the last chevy dealer I went to put a 7500 sticker on it. Maybe this one and sounds like they are lazy.
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Old 02-20-2014, 08:49 PM   #28
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Yeah its probably the most unprofessional and disorganized shop I have ever seen. I even got a tire rotation out of it so I would say it was a win. They just have way too many inexperienced techs there. I was a dealership tech before I got my A&P so I know how dealerships work, but this dealership is like the wild west.

Angrybird, yes I did read it, however I personally dont want to risk ruining or diminishing the performance of my vehicle over simple preventitive maintenance, especially when its free.
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Old 02-21-2014, 04:43 PM   #29
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I just had the wifes Malibu oil changed, the first one was free from dealer. When I pulled in he ask what monitor was on, I said 43%. He said your not ready yet, we prefer 20 or less. I said, manual says monitor or 1 year, it's been a year, he said ok and they changed it.
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Old 02-21-2014, 05:18 PM   #30
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Looks like the one year is the easy way to just get it changed. It also says if the monitor is accidentally reset to change after 3k. I wonder if that would be covered under the 2yr / 24k plan
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Old 02-23-2014, 01:10 PM   #31
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I understand where the dealer is coming from saying 15 or 20%...but once you put your foot down they should just get it done...it's just good customer service at that point.
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If its your money they want you to change your oil by the old standards, if its their money they want you to go with the oil life monitor as close as possible.
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Old 02-23-2014, 03:04 PM   #33
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If its your money they want you to change your oil by the old standards, if its their money they want you to go with the oil life monitor as close as possible.
Lol very true. They were quick to offer me an oil change for $62. Then when I got it changed free anyway I look up and the board above me says "lube, oil, filter, $30.95" no vehicle stipulations, or some vehicles may be extra clause.
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Old 02-23-2014, 03:48 PM   #34
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Lol very true. They were quick to offer me an oil change for $62. Then when I got it changed free anyway I look up and the board above me says "lube, oil, filter, $30.95" no vehicle stipulations, or some vehicles may be extra clause.
I would say the $30.95 was conventional oil, the $62 was for synthetic.
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Old 02-23-2014, 09:11 PM   #35
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I work for a local Buick/GMC dealer here in South Florida. I am their Internal Service Advisor (deal with used and new cars...very limited dealing with public). While GM does state to the dealership that the oil life needs to be below 15% or 1 year since it was done, get to know your advisor. If they know you, they can work around the 15%. By the way, this is the same with a lot of manufacturers. I was at a Honda dealership before (yuck) and it was policy...20% less or 1 year for them.
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I work for a local Buick/GMC dealer here in South Florida. I am their Internal Service Advisor (deal with used and new cars...very limited dealing with public). While GM does state to the dealership that the oil life needs to be below 15% or 1 year since it was done, get to know your advisor. If they know you, they can work around the 15%. By the way, this is the same with a lot of manufacturers. I was at a Honda dealership before (yuck) and it was policy...20% less or 1 year for them.
Well that's what I figured, all they would do is say oh yeah, it's at 15% alright.... But no. That would have been much too simple. I even bought the damn thing there. I'll just start going to a different dealer for service.
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Some brilliant engineers came up with those oil requirements. Do you really think GM would try to kill your car by saying the oil would last that long? You don't require an oil change that early.
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Some brilliant engineers came up with those oil requirements. Do you really think GM would try to kill your car by saying the oil would last that long? You don't require an oil change that early.
Those same brilliant engineers said to change it after a year. It had been a year. The Olm doesn't take into account age.
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Old 02-24-2014, 12:59 AM   #39
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Change your oil yourself and don't reset the indicator. Then when it hits 15, go to the dealer for your free one
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:04 PM   #40
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when I worked at NASA the guys in the QC Lab would o my change bier oil after looking for particles I. it under a microscope the days of the 3000 mile oil change are gone you can go 10000 miles on the higher quality oils. I have to elite. the 3000 mile number was developed by the oil manufactures and the auto industry to generate revenue
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Old 02-25-2014, 08:30 PM   #41
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the truth is your 1st oil change will have the most amount of garbage in the oil. I'd sure like to change mine around 2k or 3k then not so much a big deal.

If you want it done more often, change it at 50% yourself (or pay) but don't reset the oil life... then have dealer do it at 0%.

I don't even like to have my oil changed... had 2 oil plugs stripped at shops.
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Yeah it was the first change, thats why I wanted it done realatively early
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had the oil changed in my 2014 ls at 2000 miles, dealer gave me no grief at all.
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I have a 2014 Equinox and the dealer told me there are basically 4 oil changes that I can spread out as I see fit. Maybe you need to find a nicer dealer.
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Oil monitoring or not, I performed the oil change myself at 1500 miles with a change over to full synthetic and installed a magnetic plug. Since then I follow the regular intervals but since it is not the DEXOS blended oil running in her I feel more comfortable going the extra mileage with full synthetic. I also poor in 4 ounces of Marvel Mystery Oil as I always have since my first new car in '92.
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Old 07-23-2014, 09:48 PM   #46
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oil change

I told the dealer that I was not waiting on changing my oil longer than 4,000 miles. They change it no questions asked! If I were you I would just tell the same or go to another dealer.
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I read this whole thread, complaints about changing oil for free?? what's next the car payment is too low? holy hell, feeling a little entitlement? in every case you're all getting a free oil change its just when.. Free its Free\\ end of rant
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I bought 2 new vehicles in the past year, a 14 GMC Acadia, and the 14 Camaro, both from different dealerships, and both allowed me to change the first oil a little over 5000, and then every 6000 after that. All covered under the plan. I have had my Acadia changed 3 times (19k+ miles), and I am setting up my next change for my camaro (11k+). Neither are or were below 15%. In fact, the Acadia dealership put it on my window sticker for the next oil change at the 6000 mile mark.
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when I worked at NASA the guys in the QC Lab would o my change bier oil after looking for particles I. it under a microscope the days of the 3000 mile oil change are gone you can go 10000 miles on the higher quality oils. I have to elite. the 3000 mile number was developed by the oil manufactures and the auto industry to generate revenue

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It's certainly the dealer. I had mine changed @ roughly 2400. Wanted it done early since it was the first. They mentioned the 20% number but said they'd do the change anyway. No issues.
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