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Old 07-27-2009, 07:46 AM   #1
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Oil Change Confusion- Help Wanted

Hello All,

I know this has been discussed, but I am unsure and after talking with the service writer at the dealership I am even more confused. So her it goes. I have read the manual and asked the dealership about oil changes and when they should be done. The manual say to change when the light comes on but at least once a year, the dealership says the same thing but people on this forum have said to change it at 500, 1500 or 3000 miles for the original oil change and vary on opinion of when to change the oil regularly.

The dealer said there is no more break in oil. So what do you all think. Thanks
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The reason I changed it at 810 miles was to get the original metal shavings out of it. One of the service guys actually took the oil from my car and put it in his. To each his own I guess.

The idea is just to get any metal shavings out of it from it being new. My car did seem to get some more peep out of it after I did the oil change. Almost has me thinking of doing it again tomorrow when it goes in for more testing. It has 3400 miles on it now.
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The reason I changed it at 810 miles was to get the original metal shavings out of it. One of the service guys actually took the oil from my car and put it in his. To each his own I guess.

The idea is just to get any metal shavings out of it from it being new. My car did seem to get some more peep out of it after I did the oil change. Almost has me thinking of doing it again tomorrow when it goes in for more testing. It has 3400 miles on it now.
Maybe you'd be able to spin the tires if you had waited until 1500 miles :-P
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Hello All,

I know this has been discussed, but I am unsure and after talking with the service writer at the dealership I am even more confused. So her it goes. I have read the manual and asked the dealership about oil changes and when they should be done. The manual say to change when the light comes on but at least once a year, the dealership says the same thing but people on this forum have said to change it at 500, 1500 or 3000 miles for the original oil change and vary on opinion of when to change the oil regularly.

The dealer said there is no more break in oil. So what do you all think. Thanks
I read about someone who changed it after 250 miles.

Maint. tech at the dealer said 3000 miles for the first, then whenever the computer tells you it's time.

Salesman didn't have a clue.

The manual mentions a 1500 mile "break in period" - but doesn't mention changing the oil right after you hit the 1500 mile mark.

Metal shavings? - If you're worried about little pieces of metal in your engine, then I'd recommend changing the oil... driving it for a day... then change it again so you get everything flushed out - if you're really worried about metal shavings. Other than that, I don't want to hear any about changing your oil for the purpose of draining out loose metal shavings.

I broke in a GM 350 engine in 1000-1500 miles... forget what it was.
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Followed the manual, changed out the oil at 1500 miles. The Oil that came out was brand new and no metal shavings whatsoever. I still feel better about doing it, but even more better that I didn't waste the money changing it way too early (500 miles or less).
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I change out first at 500 mi., then 3000 religiously.
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Do the first oil change around 1000-1500 and then follow the OLM. Its FAR better than literally throwing away money with good oil when you change it at 3000 miles.
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Followed the manual, changed out the oil at 1500 miles. The Oil that came out was brand new and no metal shavings whatsoever. I still feel better about doing it, but even more better that I didn't waste the money changing it way too early (500 miles or less).
Where in the manual does it say to change the oil after 1,500 miles?
I agree with you by the way, for the short money it costs to change the oil, I did mine at 1,500 too. People say it's a waste of money nowadays, but I'm old school. (it certainly doesn't hurt anything).
I can't find anything in the manual that says "Change your oil after the first 1,500 miles" though.
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The dealer told me that with today's engines there is little to no metal shavings and with the synthetic oil used in the Camaro it is not needed, when I read that the OLM dictates the oil change it was a little concerning for me since it states to change at least once a year if not indicated by th OLM. My car is not a daily driver prbably around 8 k a year, but a good 8 k, maybe a few road trips in the fall but like I said just want to be sure I currently have only 556 miles and about a month old, but plan on keeping this car for a very long time and want to make sure I take care of it and since I have a 7yr 100000 mile warranty I do not want to void it
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The dealer told me that with today's engines there is little to no metal shavings and with the synthetic oil used in the Camaro it is not needed, when I read that the OLM dictates the oil change it was a little concerning for me since it states to change at least once a year if not indicated by th OLM. My car is not a daily driver prbably around 8 k a year, but a good 8 k, maybe a few road trips in the fall but like I said just want to be sure I currently have only 556 miles and about a month old, but plan on keeping this car for a very long time and want to make sure I take care of it and since I have a 7yr 100000 mile warranty I do not want to void it

My service manager basically said the same thing. He told me (this morning) that I didn't need to get my oil changed (1000 miles now on my car). I told him to please change the oil because I drive my car hard and want new oil in it.
There were several mechanics standing right behind him when I said this. They smiled, shook their heads up and down, and gave me a thumbs up to tell me I was doing the right thing. None of this was seen by the service manager that was looking right at me.

So I got my oil change and I'm happy (and so is my car).
By the way it was just over $80.00
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Does it void your warranty to do it yourself or what? Why not just change it yourself?
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Does it void your warranty to do it yourself or what? Why not just change it yourself?
You can change it yourself, just keep the reciepts for the oil and filter, doesn't void the warranty.
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Do the first oil change around 1000-1500 and then follow the OLM. Its FAR better than literally throwing away money with good oil when you change it at 3000 miles.
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I just changed my oil tonight at 2700km. It was black. My dealership said to do the first oil change between 1500-2500Km to get rid of any metal. Just feeling the oil it was a little gritty so I'm glad I have some fresh mobil 1 in there
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Looks like you already have some good advice.

Like Moose, I'm old school. However, I was not able to get right in there at 500 miles. I got back from PA with a little over 1,900 miles on the clock and got it changed right at 2,300. Did I notice a change like some others have said?...maybe... But, regardless, it's done and I'm happy I finally got it done.

Now...when to change your oil after this? You are going to get multiple answers for this one. My dealer says that with synthetic, you can run 5k miles before changing. I've read this in numerous places as well. Shoot, I think it says it on the oil bottle. There's some oils that will allow you to run 10k miles before changing the oil. The ultimate time to change your oil is when you take the time to look at your oil dip stick and see that the oil is turning dark brown to black. It's obviously time to change your oil then. I'm going to keep an eye on mine after the next 3k miles and see what happens. I probably will do it at 4 to 5k miles.

Doing it at 500 miles break in period will NOT hurt you OR your car. To each their own. Some say to do it and some say no. It's YOUR call.

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NO. But, if you limp in to the service drive with a banging coming from your engine, you BETTER have some real good explaination as to what happened. I'll offer my .02 on this part........

Do it at the dealer and all your records and work is warrantied. If something happens later on, they go into the engine, and the sucker is dry....well, hell....the dealer is to blame. Do it yourself and save $15 if you want to, or just have piece of mind and KNOW that everything on your ride is documented with that service oil change.





And what are you all paying for your oil change?

I paid $79 at Ancira.
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I really appreciate the good advice I have received, since this car will be with me for a very long time I will err on the side of caution. I think the thing that is really confusing is the synthetic part, if this was regular oil it would be 3k and change, but with todays oil who knows.

My truck 2500HD Duramax has an OLM system as well and the dealer says not to change it till the OLM says so, says my warranty will not be voided if I do that.

I will get my oil changed at 1000 miles and see how it goes from there, I think from what I have read that if you keep a check on it, color wise, and depending on your driving will dictate how often to change it. For me the car is not a daily driver, and for now it is just a few short trips to break in properly, you know varing speeds and all that.
I do plan on taking some longer trips maybe 3 or 4 hour trips in the future, but definetly next spring and summer.

I do not feel that you can really hurt this car with the oil changes, I have a 1992 Honda Civic, I know Iknow, that I use to go back and forth to work. The car has 178000 miles and the oil is changed at 7500 miles because I run synthetic in it and have had no problems, don't know if it is because of the maintenance or because the little Honda is bullet proof. Now the little car has about 100 hp and is hardly ever drove over 60 mph, and still gets 39 to 41 mpg.

My other truck is a 1985 Chevy had 497000 miles on it, change the oil at 7500 because of synthetic, and have had no problems, does not use a drop of oil, and was recently drove to California and back( 2800 miles), pulling a trailer that had 3 motorcycles.

While I may have a little experience with oil changes I know that it is always wise to seek others opinions. Thanks for all your help.
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I really appreciate the good advice I have received, since this car will be with me for a very long time I will err on the side of caution. I think the thing that is really confusing is the synthetic part, if this was regular oil it would be 3k and change, but with todays oil who knows.

My truck 2500HD Duramax has an OLM system as well and the dealer says not to change it till the OLM says so, says my warranty will not be voided if I do that.

I will get my oil changed at 1000 miles and see how it goes from there, I think from what I have read that if you keep a check on it, color wise, and depending on your driving will dictate how often to change it. For me the car is not a daily driver, and for now it is just a few short trips to break in properly, you know varing speeds and all that.
I do plan on taking some longer trips maybe 3 or 4 hour trips in the future, but definetly next spring and summer.

I do not feel that you can really hurt this car with the oil changes, I have a 1992 Honda Civic, I know Iknow, that I use to go back and forth to work. The car has 178000 miles and the oil is changed at 7500 miles because I run synthetic in it and have had no problems, don't know if it is because of the maintenance or because the little Honda is bullet proof. Now the little car has about 100 hp and is hardly ever drove over 60 mph, and still gets 39 to 41 mpg.

My other truck is a 1985 Chevy had 497000 miles on it, change the oil at 7500 because of synthetic, and have had no problems, does not use a drop of oil, and was recently drove to California and back( 2800 miles), pulling a trailer that had 3 motorcycles.

While I may have a little experience with oil changes I know that it is always wise to seek others opinions. Thanks for all your help.
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you might want to buy the oil and bring it to your dealer. My dealer used 8.25 qts of goodrich 10W30 synthetic in my car.

I think I would sleep better if there was 8.6 qts of Mobil1 5W30 in there.
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I paid $79 at Ancira.
my dealer does it for $31.95, thats for up to five quarts of GM oil and filter, so i will be taking in my own oil for them to put in
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theres a lot of witch craft in this kind of stuff. This car is a high performance vehicle thus needs more care, but it is not a NASCAR and you dont need to go over board with it. I would say change it once before 3000 miles then change it when the car tells you too. But my past sports cars i didnt drive in the winter and barely put 3000 on it a year. What ive done is change the oil before I put it away for the winter, and maybe once during the summer depending on how many miles I put on it.
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Where in the manual does it say to change the oil after 1,500 miles?
I agree with you by the way, for the short money it costs to change the oil, I did mine at 1,500 too. People say it's a waste of money nowadays, but I'm old school. (it certainly doesn't hurt anything).
I can't find anything in the manual that says "Change your oil after the first 1,500 miles" though.
I know it mentioned 1500 mile break in period in there I don't recall it specifically mentioning oil change as well but I just went with that. I figure its broken in, anything bad should come out. After that OLM all the way, used it in my 00 Vette and my 99 TA, beat the balls off of both cars, and honestly the OLM usually told me to change it around 4000-4500 miles anyway. Probably cause I drive like a maniac.
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You can feel ok with the dealer regular oil change schedule because you "should" not have trouble with metal shavings but I cahnge all vehicles every 500 for the first 2,000 miles just for the heck of. There is no need to go to synthetic oil if you use a good quality oil and change it regularly . You may get .0001 sec. qucker time in aquarter mile butwho care. If anyone wants to argue for synthetic don't waste your time. Switch when you hit 100-150,000 miles but until then save the bucks.
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