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Old 03-28-2008, 04:54 PM   #1
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Arrow Voice Your Comments/Suggestions/Input for Focus Group on 2010 Camaro

Put it here!!!!

You've all seen Fbodfather's post about the "12 Disciples of which there are 15". Well, there is going to be a Focus Group/Conference occurring in May of this year with these 15 lucky people. They will get to offer up some view, opinions, and general feedback directly to the Camaro team themselves!

Our site member Garfin (Elie), one of these 15 folks, has very graciously volunteered to bring with him any input our members of Camaro5.com happen to have for the team when he attends the Summit. So, before anything, I think we all owe him a big thanks.

Thanks to Garfin, there's no reason to go off to any other sites to offer input if you didn't want to. Now, ANYTHING you may have to say, any suggestions ranging from praise to powertrain to marketing suggestions, put them up here. The folks on the team are great listeners, and want to know everything we're thinking, so don't hold anything constructive back, even if you think it's a minor detail.

The moderators here will take the ideas and compile them here, in this first post, so that it will be easier for Elie to print out. And it will serve as a guide for you all to go by, if you're wondering whether anything has been said yet.

I must ask, however, that you do not put up any nonsense, or goof around in here. We don't really want to read through all of that just to find something useful. And by useful, I am insinuating that we will use our better judgement when choosing what to copy in here. If somebody goes off on a rant about how he/she wishes they wouldn't use the headlights from the prototype...obviously that won't be included. So please, think about what you're going to post before you post it. Thank You!!!!

Remember also that none of what you post up here will mean that that "issue" is resolved your way, or even "resolved" at all. It may not be an issue to the other 99% of people. The point of this thread is to simply provide our thoughts/feedback to the team; they want to know what's going through our heads. And chances are...at this point in the game, 90% of what you'd like to see has been discussed/finalized already, but don't let that stop you from speaking up.

With out further Ado, and once again our great thanks goes out to our friend Elie, Post away!!!!


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Exterior:
  • T-tops, we've been told that they aren't feasable, but we still really like T-tops
  • More agressive hood for the upper trim levels
  • Regarding the "Sharkfin" XM/Onstar antenna:
  1. Make it smaller
  2. Or, if it's going to be used on the production car, color coordinate the "shark fin" with the body color
  3. Or, hide it somewhere, please.
  • The front scoop is one of neat little things we all like about the car (the fact that it's non-functional is a little issue to some, though)
  • At least open the front scoop, even if it's not feeding the engine
  • Make every attempt to not use amber colored directionals for Europe. Use amber bulbs instead?
  • Try to keep the exposed black plastic exterior pieces to a minimum
Lights/exterior trim:
  • LED lamps all around
  • Smaller repeater lamps on the sides
  • Relocate the reverse lamps to somewhere other than the middle of the bumper
  • HALO headlamps (like the concept)
  • Keep any daytime-running-lights out of the main Headlight assembly, if possible
  • Side-mirror heaters
  • Offer multiple stripes packages, the Concept Convertible's style, the side "hockey-stick" stripes, and the center cowl-hood stripe
  • Could the stripes be painted on, as opposed to vinyl?
  • Offer a close-to-Bumblebee yellow
  • The Gunmetal grey/steel color on the ZR-1 is HOT! Can we get a very similar color? Pretty please!!
  • Can the stripes NOT come as a mandatory option when purchasing higher trim levels?
  • Would love to see some of the First-generation colors offered (i.e. HUGGER ORANGE!!!)
  • The faux vents in front of the rear wheels. Could those have something done to them to make them look open? Instead of just being indentations in the sheet metal
  • The exaust tips on the Concept were pretty neat. If something could be done like that, but with a little less BANG: LOOK AT ME! That'd be nice.
  • We know that selling the V6 is a big deal, and we agree - but can there be a concious effort placed on differenciating the V8's from the "lower" trim-levels? The V6 doesn't need to look "less the part", only different.
  • The general concensus seems to be that the subtle spoiler on the Concept was an Outta'-the-ballpark-Homerun design feature. And we BEG you to include it on the Production Camaros.
  • The Rear lights. PLEASE, PLEASE keep that "afterburner" look from the concept. That was gorgeous!
  • Offer different grille/headlight treatments
  • Keep the amber directionals on cars sold in countries who require them only. Not as a generic export treatment to the cars to be shipped out.
Powertrain:
  • LSA or variant. Supercharged 6.2 for the top-of the line model
  • Paddle-shifting with the Automatic transmission
  • All Wheel Drive?
  • LS3 engine or "better" (pretty please!!)
  • Short-throw shifter for the manual option
  • Optimize the Exaust note when in 4-cylinder mode
  • AFM-equipped, E85-capable V6 AND V8 engine
  • Did we mention E85??
  • 300 hp Direct Injection V6
  • Offering a 4-banger...er, 4 cyllinder engine, is a good idea for the success of the Camaro. We won't hate you for it.
  • A sport-tuned Suspention
  • 4-piston calipers, slotted/cross-drilled rotors
  • Impressive braking; ie. Brembo brakes
  • Please keep the tires the same on all four corners so they can be rotated
  • Please try and minimize if not totally eliminate the "Wheel-hop" issue as found on the newer GTO's.
  • Limited-slip differencial, like the G8, but tailored for the Camaro.
  • The idea of an E85-capable V6 and V8 is continuing to be mentioned by every other person here, even after it was put on the list - we think E85 would be a HUGE selling point as far as "eco-friendly", and one more advantage over competitors.
  • The ability to shut off traction control. Sometimes it can be intrusive.
  • The availability of a manual transmission with the V6 engine is important to us
Interior:
  • Keep the torque gauge, and keep that quad-gauge cluster right where it is!
  • Heads-up display option (preferably as it's own option)
  • Dual-zone Climate Control
  • Auto-dimming mirrors
  • Hands free Bluetooth
  • Homelink, Temp, Direction, and Onstar (possibly all on rearview mirror)
  • Premier sound system: Bose, Blaupunkt, Boston Acoustics, JL
  • Quality materials, (i.e. Not hard plastic everywhere)
  • Make a few Color accent schemes available
  • Offer the ability to change the dash backlighting, ala Mustang
  • 6-disk changer standard?
  • USB slot for memory stick/MP3 player (MP3's type receiver so no more having to use CD's)
  • Please make the manual transmission shifter resemble the Concept shifter (obviously NOT made out of billet aluminum)
  • Include radio controls and cruise control on the steering wheel/seering column
  • Heated/cooled seats. Cloth Heated/cooled seats?
  • Navigation system available
  • Media storage system? Hard Disk Drive, maybe?
  • Could the rear seat have 3 belts? For 3 people...smaller people, like kids.
  • Taller people really like this car, too. Will they be able to fit inside this piece of art?
  • Tilt/Telescopic Steering wheel, and adjustable pedals.
  • Alacantara. Praying for it to be standard, but maybe on an Interior Upgrade package, if not?
  • The Radio/CD player Head Unit doesn't seem easy to replace for aftermarket audio upgrades, could some RCA outputs in the back be implemented to that aftermarket amps can be installed?
  • The belt-buckles found inthe concept were really, really neat. PLEASE keep them.
  • side-curtain airbags standard.
Pricing/ordering:
  • We understand the advanced components, and better interior, but please try and keep it affordable (as near to the Mustang as humanly possible)
  • Reduce the "clumping" of options
  • Offer LOTS of accesories/customizable "aftermarket" options
  • IF the options MUST be packaged together, try to seperate the performance options from the luxury options (seperate packages)
Marketing/Sales:
  • Highlighting the fuel-efficiency is a good idea
  • Any ads must make as strong a statement, and be as bold as the car is
  • Have a little hint about performance, like "Camaro: you'll spend more on tires than you will on gas". And highlight all the different fuel-saving features, AFM, E85(?), etc.
  • Sell it in Europe, and Australia (it would only be fair considering they helped engineer it...) and in Right-Hand-Drive, preferably.
  • The younger generation is a good friend to have as far as marketing targets go.
General Feedback:
  • You've been able to keep this close to the concept?!? Wow. Great Job, and Thank you for that!
  • The car is coming together really well.
  • Thank you for bringing the almighty Camaro back to us!
  • Please, spare no effort to absolutely destroy the GT-500 in the Camaro's corresponding trim level
  • Thanks for listening to us!!! We really appreciate it, and want you to know it
  • We are soooo PROUD to know that it will hit dealers soon!!
  • Wieght is a big issue, both in terms of fuel economy and performance. Please keep wieght down on this car to around 3600 lbs (ideally).
Concerns/Questions:
  • Are there any fuel Economy goals for both the V8 AND the V6?
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Old 03-28-2008, 05:05 PM   #2
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During this meeting please mention a T-top option. There shouldn't be a problem with structural integrity because if there was they wouldn't be making a convertible. Same for the side airbags there already making a convertible. There's no good reason that I can think of for not having the T-tops. And for those out there that don't like T-top's (don't pay the extra fee for the option). I understand Chevy cant please everyone. There's always that one percent. but by making T-top's available as an option. Chevy will lessen that one percent.
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Old 03-28-2008, 05:08 PM   #3
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Supercharged 6.2L (LSA)!!!

LED headlights and taillights

Smaller marker lights

Privacy glass

Smaller radio antenna

More aggressive hood for Z28/SS

KEEP IT CHEAP!!!
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Old 03-28-2008, 05:21 PM   #4
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I'm gonna piggyback off radz28203
I agree with all his suggestions except the supercharged 6.2.
I think it would be better if it was the LS3 430HP with optional 6hp duel exhaust for a total 436hp. then anyone who prefers turbo or superchargers have a great platform to build there own custom camaro. I don't know about you but I don't want the same camaro as the guy down the street. that's the problem with the 03-04 cobra's there all stock supercharged and everyone has the same thing.
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Old 03-28-2008, 05:30 PM   #5
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First of all, thanks Garfin
A big thing for me would be the automatic transmission with paddle shifting. It keeps the sportyness in an automatic that some may find boring without it but still leaves the option for people who dont want to shift all the time.
Also I would love to see halo HID headlights (like on the concept).

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Old 03-28-2008, 05:38 PM   #6
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Keep the options individual, not everyone want the same options. I hate when they group the options into packages.
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Old 03-28-2008, 05:39 PM   #7
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I agree with RAZ and Rich!

I want something that will customizes easily something I can make my own creation. something personal for me.

Also...would love to see AWD

FYI...this is why I ask for AWD...it was sunny this morning on the way into work. As i sit at my desk, it started snowing!...got to love March in the northwest.

Can’t imagine driving a 500+ HO car home in this with RWD only!
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Old 03-28-2008, 05:42 PM   #8
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1) Keep the trapezoidal exhaust tips as an aftermarket item. They are beautiful!

2) The backup lights need to be moved and hidden better. Possibly in the center of the inner brake lights?

3) Keep the wheels from the concept.

4) Hide the mufflers better, they are too easily seen.

5) Keep the torque gauge.

6) Make the rear spoiler a little smaller, but keep the same design.

7) HALOS!!!

Regarding the rear spoiler being too big....

If it followed the contour of the deck lid instead of just being flat, it would have a smaller profile and appear smaller. That would work better than making it shorter, since the height can only be adjusted so much. Make it much shorter and the "arms" will touch the car.

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Old 03-28-2008, 05:44 PM   #9
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Keep the options individual, not everyone want the same options. I hate when they group the options into packages.

+1 I hate when you have to buy a whole large package of stuff you don't want in order to get what you do. A performance package is one thing, but if I have to get something like satelite radio in order to get leather seats, that's not cool.

Keep those accessories coming too! I'm planning on intake, catback, shifter, and some other goodies depending on what engine is going to be offered.

Thanks (sorry I didn't post that the first time.)
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Old 03-28-2008, 05:45 PM   #10
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please open the hood scoop, even on the V6 model. A muscle car without a hood doesn't make sense.

standard 17" or 18" wheels with fat tires, ( I love the crocked 5 spoke design from the concept) unlike the base dodge challenger SE anorexic tires, or the mustangs pathetic 16" wheels.

optional HIDs.
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Old 03-28-2008, 05:46 PM   #11
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One thing I've mentioned before that I really hope the designers take heed of...if the car is equipped with Daytime Running Lights, I hope they are integrated someplace other than the main light/grille assembly. The grille area is absolutely menacing and in the right shading, that dark maw with the Bowtie in the center is an awesome effect. If the main headlights get DRLs, it will ruin that. I hope that any DRLs put in are given their own separate lights in the lower fascia, like in the driving lights, or elsewhere.
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Old 03-28-2008, 05:55 PM   #12
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Thanks Garfin and GM for hearing our voices. Stripes painted on, color coded and smaller roof antenna, option to have a chrome insert for the gills.
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Old 03-28-2008, 05:59 PM   #13
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Lots of things!

First I'd have to say that they should let the buyer be able to individualize the car to the way they like it, kind of like Scion does it. Secondly I agree that that hideous spoiler has to go, keep it low and integrate it into the deck lid. Third, OPEN UP THE HOOD SCOOP!!!(atleast on the V8 please, pretty please!)
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Old 03-28-2008, 06:12 PM   #14
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sports suspension
AWD
3.55 or better rear axle
tight short throw shifter
LS3 pretty please...
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Old 03-28-2008, 06:24 PM   #15
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Super charged LSA with 520 hp +
Option of 4:10 rear gear
True dual exhaust

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Old 03-28-2008, 06:31 PM   #16
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Keep the options individual, not everyone want the same options. I hate when they group the options into packages.
Definetly agree. For instance I'd like an aluminum gas cap but I don't want to have to get a big wing or skirt kit for that.

Other thing I'd like to add is I know I and a lot of other people would like to see several stripes options. I'm hoping for stripes as close to on Bumblebee/vert concept personally.
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First off, this is the first time I've been excited about cars in a long time!

Already love this car!

LS3 6 speed manual.

If you use AFM, we need an exhaust cutout, kind of like the current Corvette option that boosts LS3 power to 436, but more. AFM sounds bad in 4cyl. mode. That's why the Pontiac G8's exhaust is obnoxiously quiet. So open up the exhaust, but when AFM kicks in 4cyl. mode, muffle the racket. We want rumble even with AFM, but perhaps manual trans LS3's won't use AFM at all...

Either make the front fascia air scoop functional or make it go away - Ram Air is good! Give it the Bob Lutz test- "Do you see BMW's with fake hood scoops?" The G8 GXP had a giant wing spoiler until Bob caught it just in time, before launch. The G8's hood scoops are fake though, and that bugs me too; But I like the look...

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I'd like to see all of the tires the same size so that they can be rotated.
LS3 with AFM, Direct Injection, and E85 capable with the option to upgrade to an LS8.
The antenna relocated inside the side view mirrors?
Paddle shifter.
True Dual Exhaust.
Trunk Mounted Battery.
Blue Tooth
Halo Headlights
4:10 rearend available with a Locking Differential.
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LS3 LS3 LS3 LS3 LS3 LS3 LS3 LS3 LS3 LS3 LS3 LS3 LS3 LS3 LS3

Is that clear enough? lol

I agree with Rich, factory S/C'd would be nice but i rather be given a nice N/A platform to work off of. Then i can choose where i want to go from there, whether it be turbo, S/C or stay N/A.

Sports suspension
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Oh yeah and please give me some BEEFY brakes.
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Ok I didn't read the past replies. Pardon me if I over lap.

- Bumblebee color scheme, Gold with Black Racing Stipes.

- Open Vents on fender and front bumper.

- Premium Wheel option, Concept 22 in rear and 20 in front, Chrome, Polished Aluminum

- NO antenna

- Halo Headlights

- As close to Concept interior

Other than that, the car looks great. I take it the RS, which is the Base model will be front scoop-less. I hope they keep the scoop on the Z28 and SS model as I think they will Judging by the AZ video.

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Oh, I forget ot mention.

The singnal lights on rear and front should be thinner, I say make the LED, they'd be brighter anyway!
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Thanks Elie for doing this, you're helping a lot of people work through the anticipation!

1. What are fuel economy targets for both the V6 and V8?

2. Can we expect headlamps similar to the concepts?

3. Will there be an air inlet at the front of the hood for both models or only the bigger engine models (V8)?

4. What power ratings can we expect from the V6 + V8? I know this has been paraphrased in the press many times (and I don't trust them).

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Ok I didn't read the past replies. Pardon me if I over lap.
Overlap is good... it lets them know which options and features are more desirable
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sports suspension
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3.55 or better rear axle
tight short throw shifter
LS3 pretty please...
Same for me
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First is thanks Garfin!

Ok, I love the pre-production as it's coming along so my suggestion won't be insane, I think.

1. Head up Display
2. Concept rims, they looked so wicked and mean
3. Dual stripe option (painted)
4. Cooling cup holder (my cup has a spill resistant lid!)
5. Dual climate control (most cars have it, just want this option!)
6. Concept shifter handle
7. Auto dim mirrors
8. (Dynamic) Laser sensing cruise control
9. Bluetooth (controls on steering wheel)
10. Zeon headlights
11. LED tail lights
12. Side mirror heaters
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