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Old 09-02-2014, 11:07 AM   #1
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Sway Bars FE4 - 1LE Front w/Aftermarket 35R

I've been reading about how it's recommended to run the smaller ZL1 (25mm) bar upfront on staggered wheel set-ups. How about running the 1LE (27mm) front sway bar with a DSE or LSR (35mm) rear bar?

I like the fact that the LSR rear SB comes with end links.
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Old 09-02-2014, 11:57 AM   #2
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That combo may give you to much oversteer, or close. I run 27/32 but have coilovers and I liked a bit more rear bias.
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Going with the 1LE front and DSE rear would be a good setup. You may have to run a softer setting on the DSE bar, but it should be a well balanced setup.

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Old 09-03-2014, 10:40 PM   #4
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I had the 1le bars on front and back with Michellin PSS 275's on 9" wheels on all four corners. It worked good but had a bit more under steer than wanted. Plus the 275 tire on back looked small. I put on the LSR rear sway set in middle hole and the under steer was gone. However, the middle hole was to harsh for daily driving so I have it on the end hole for a nice ride. I now have 315 PSS tire on stock wheels widened to 11 inches and it's both a great look and ride. I like the adjustiblity of the LSR bar to dial it in to whatever combination of wheels and driving needs I have on a given weekend. I should also note the LSR hallow bar is much lighter than the 1le solid bar.
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Old 09-04-2014, 12:12 AM   #5
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Thanks for the suggestions and advice. What kind of end links should I use with the ILE front sway bar?
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Old 09-04-2014, 12:52 AM   #6
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Thanks for the suggestions and advice. What kind of end links should I use with the ILE front sway bar?
I suggest using the Detroit speed endlinks part # 031411 or the GM 1LE front endlinks.

Note: If you use the OEM 1LE endlinks you may have to open up the hole on your struts from 10mm to 12mm. 2012's are tricky. I suggest seeing how big the studs are on your stock endlinks; If they are 10mm you'll have to drill, if they are 12mm, you are good to go and it will be a direct fit and endlinks will not be necessary.

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Now that we are on the topic of front end links, on my 2013 ss, if I go with after market sways from detroit or BMR like to SB039 package, do I need to upgrade my end links???
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Now that we are on the topic of front endlinks, on my 2013 ss, if I go with after market sways from detroit or BMR like to SB039 package, do I need to upgrade my end links???
All 2013+ Camaros have the 12mm end links found on the ZL1/1LE which are a huge improvement over the 10-12 endlinks which are prone to deflections and breaking with stiffer sway bars. With the newer endlinks, an upgrade is not 100% necessary, but aftermarket will be stronger and you get the adjustability to remove any pre-load from the bar.

So, no; not necessary, but still a good upgrade.

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Sorry to thread jack here, but what pre-load are we talking about? I am lowered on 1 inch BMR springs, do I have pre-load and how would I remove it?
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We just released the ELK011 FE4 Front End Link Kit a couple weeks ago. They have the larger 12mm studs and have a grease zerk fitting on each rod end. I installed them on my personal car (2010 SS) along with the SB038 Front Sway Bar. Like Tyler mentioned, I had to drill out the holes on the upper strut bracket to allow for the larger studs, but well worth it in my opinion. Plus, I like having the ability to grease the rod ends now!!!
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Old 09-04-2014, 01:44 PM   #12
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Sorry to thread jack here, but what pre-load are we talking about? I am lowered on 1 inch BMR springs, do I have pre-load and how would I remove it?
Thank you JDP
Tyler is talking about sway bar preload. If you have the factory end links, you "shouldn't" have any preload. The length of the factory end links is designed to be neutral. For the typical street-driven car, you would want to keep your sway bar preload neutral. With an adjustable style end link, you would adjust one side to the exact same length as the factory end link and install it. With the weight of the car on the ground, you would adjust and install the other side end link so that the studs "slip-fit" into their mounting holes. That would be neutral (zero preload).

Serious road course or autocross cars may choose to lengthen or shorten their end links to adjust the working angle of the sway bar. Optimally, you want to get the working lever of the sway bar as parallel to the ground as possible. Also, adjusting end link preload can affect the corner weighting of the car for specific track conditions. It's a very technical process that thankfully most of us don't need to mess with on a regular basis....but at least with adjustable end links you have that option. As I said, for most typical street-driven cars, a neutral preload is best.
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We just released the ELK011 FE4 Front End Link Kit a couple weeks ago. They have the larger 12mm studs and have a grease zerk fitting on each rod end. I installed them on my personal car (2010 SS) along with the SB038 Front Sway Bar. Like Tyler mentioned, I had to drill out the holes on the upper strut bracket to allow for the larger studs, but well worth it in my opinion. Plus, I like having the ability to grease the rod ends now!!!
Those Zerk fittings are a nice touch!
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Tyler is talking about sway bar preload. If you have the factory end links, you "shouldn't" have any preload. The length of the factory end links is designed to be neutral. For the typical street-driven car, you would want to keep your sway bar preload neutral. With an adjustable style end link, you would adjust one side to the exact same length as the factory end link and install it. With the weight of the car on the ground, you would adjust and install the other side end link so that the studs "slip-fit" into their mounting holes. That would be neutral (zero preload).

Serious road course or autocross cars may choose to lengthen or shorten their end links to adjust the working angle of the sway bar. Optimally, you want to get the working lever of the sway bar as parallel to the ground as possible. Also, adjusting end link preload can affect the corner weighting of the car for specific track conditions. It's a very technical process that thankfully most of us don't need to mess with on a regular basis....but at least with adjustable end links you have that option. As I said, for most typical street-driven cars, a neutral preload is best.
Very well said, Keith.

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Thanks for the compliment Tyler! And you're absolutely right, the 2012 year model is very confusing when trying to figure out which sway bars and/or end links they have!!! I still ask my customers to verify for me what exactly they have on their 2012's!!! V-8 vs. V-6, FE4 vs. FE3, Convertibles vs. Coupes, Electric Steering vs. Hydraulic Steering, 10mm vs. 12 mm!!!! It's all just a mess on the 2012 year model!!!!
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Thanks for the compliment Tyler! And you're absolutely right, the 2012 year model is very confusing when trying to figure out which sway bars and/or end links they have!!! I still ask my customers to verify for me what exactly they have on their 2012's!!! V-8 vs. V-6, FE4 vs. FE3, Convertibles vs. Coupes, Electric Steering vs. Hydraulic Steering, 10mm vs. 12 mm!!!! It's all just a mess on the 2012 year model!!!!
No doubt! Not to mention the mid-year changes.. no real rhyme or reason to it all..

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Thanks so much for the input guys!
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