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Old 02-27-2014, 01:03 PM   #15
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The vendor thing came later. People started giving feedback on the products that were popping up here. We aren't here to stop feedback from being presented, but there's a way to post it cordially: the member having a problem says their piece and leaves the thread alone.
You're (not you, specifically, but the mod/admin team) just going to delete it and ban the posting member instead. Makes sense to me.

At some point the member base is worth more then sponsors pushing questionable products. Unfortunately, I don't have enough fingers or toes to count people I personally know who have been permanently banned over this nonsense. Once C5 quits being a useful resource to owners (which it will once the majority of informed and learned members are banned) it will cease to be relevant.

Then who will sponsor an empty site?

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Old 02-27-2014, 01:16 PM   #16
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You're (not you, specifically, but the mod/admin team) just going to delete it and ban the posting member instead. Makes sense to me.

At some point the member base is worth more then sponsors pushing questionable products. Unfortunately, I don't have enough fingers or toes to count people I personally know who have been permanently banned over this nonsense. Once C5 quits being a useful resource to owners (which it will once the majority of informed and learned members are banned) it will cease to be relevant.

Then who will sponsor an empty site?

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That sounds about right to me. One-on-one, you're an equal member with a vendor, but there are thousands of you and a bunch of vendors. It's hardly equal when you run the numbers.

I find bad feedback and good feedback beneficial. If you have a terrible experience somewhere, do you really think I want to shop there? It helps me to know that a place sucks just as much as it helps you guys.

If they haven't seen it already, I'll talk about this discussion with the other mods and hopefully we get some positives out if it, but please remember this: even if your knowledgeable friends are right, it's how they say it. Let's say Billy Bob's shop does bad work. Your friend should say, "Billy Bob's shop does bad work. I got [work goes here] done. It was terrible. It wasn't lined up right, and it didn't match. They wouldn't fix it. Now you know not to go there." Now the vendor can say something, just like the BBB. Other members can chime in. Now, if they start arguing and calling names on the forum, no matter how knowledgeable they are, they broke the rules. That's how good members get banned.

I'm not saying that's what happened. Maybe someone on our end was wrong. Like I said, we'll talk about it. I just want to give you that to consider. It's just some food for thought.
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:20 PM   #17
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i do agree with blur on this and my second post what ever was actually just jabs, was it offensive,, maybe.. but i got my point across,

its a syn, its not about like it or live its a community here, where everyone has an opinion,,
i am all for deleting offensive post. .sure we dont need that we need constructive ideas.

heated arguments.. sure close the thread down.. but if its a REAL argument, a helpful argument why close it? why delete honest, post?

that was the observation i have made time and time again on this forum..
is there helpful threads .. of course there is..
is there good vendors... of course there is.
great tuners.. of course! some are tuning as a hobby not for profit.. for the love of the car.

dont trivialize my 1st comment.. it is what it is..
thats all i wanted to get off my chest..is that offensive? in what way?
dont like it leave it.. great answer o yeah that fixed everything... i love the site it has tons of info and even better people that actually care about your car being baddassssss. i just do not like it when its deleted or banned for a certain agenda so to speak.
thats how it came off to me over the past couple of months.

it is what it is..
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:20 PM   #18
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You're (not you, specifically, but the mod/admin team) just going to delete it and ban the posting member instead. Makes sense to me.

At some point the member base is worth more then sponsors pushing questionable products. Unfortunately, I don't have enough fingers or toes to count people I personally know who have been permanently banned over this nonsense. Once C5 quits being a useful resource to owners (which it will once the majority of informed and learned members are banned) it will cease to be relevant.

Then who will sponsor an empty site?

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I have been seeing this trend also on certain members that just voice out their opinion and BAM they're banned. I guess thats what happens when you go against the JRE gods. I have seen questionable vendors on here selling garbage products, I personally bought something from a vendor that eventually dropped off this forum but man were they on here forever after so many complaints (wont mention name because I am afraid I might get a warning). I bought another product from a vendor that "everyone" (not really everyone- 15% of members i'd guess) drools about and his product was total garbage, proven with results and feedback from countless shops. I even get messaged from members on here to see if I am having the same issue as them. BUT if I mention this vendor I'll probably get banned because that bandwagon group will pile on me because they are the "camaro king shop" for "everything"...Then again if you get banned just create a new account lol
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:22 PM   #19
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i will not go on about this.. i just posted my expirience.

i really hope other post theres good or bad... and give an example so we can use this a reference..

i want this thread to be about the site not about me.
if this thread gets deleted so be it.. hopefully we would get an explanation.

it is what it is..

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Old 02-27-2014, 01:29 PM   #20
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Here's what I've done to try and address this: I started a mod-admin discussion in the super secret mod cave that you can't find about how we need to be careful in that section of the site. It's my opinion that customers that have a bad experience are going to be more emotionally charged in their posts, and that might lead to some heated threads. We'll talk it out, and hopefully we see a lot less people getting banned in there. That being said, expect to see hostile, offensive, or unnecessary content revised to conform to site rules. I'll try to refrain from infracting anyone in there, but I'll let you know if your post had to be modified.

I'm all about the community here, so hopefully that comes through all this.
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:36 PM   #21
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And will they let banned members back? There we some real useful intelligent members banned and I would like to to see them back, along with their builds!! The cosmetic and laser/led light show is ok and all, but us Drag Racers want to see some HP builds!!
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:38 PM   #22
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Here's what I've done to try and address this: I started a mod-admin discussion in the super secret mod cave that you can't find about how we need to be careful in that section of the site. It's my opinion that customers that have a bad experience are going to be more emotionally charged in their posts, and that might lead to some heated threads. We'll talk it out, and hopefully we see a lot less people getting banned in there. That being said, expect to see hostile, offensive, or unnecessary content revised to conform to site rules. I'll try to refrain from infracting anyone in there, but I'll let you know if your post had to be modified.

I'm all about the community here, so hopefully that comes through all this.
Sounds fair. Respect
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:43 PM   #23
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And will they let banned members back? There we some real useful intelligent members banned and I would like to to see them back, along with their builds!! The cosmetic and laser/led light show is ok and all, but us Drag Racers want to see some HP builds!!
PM me a list of screen names. I can't make any promises, but I'll review every single ban and talk about it with my fellow moderators.
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:58 PM   #24
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As a admin and mod on multiple sites outside of camaro5 it really leaves a bad taste in my mouth seeing what goes on here, butI give you credit for being mature about it. Hope a peaceful resolution is the results of this conversation.
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Old 02-27-2014, 02:33 PM   #25
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As one of those members that I'm sure isn't to well like because of some of my views, I would have to disagree with the OP. I believe the mods allow plenty of leeway for the diverse crowd that we have. I sometimes forget that I'm not in the garage with the boys on Friday night, or I get drunk and post things that I shouldn't. I haven't had so much as a slap on the wrist, and I wouldn't be surprised if I did. I do get a little tired of how politically correct this forum is sometimes, but if you're going to play in their world, then you need to follow their rules.
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Old 02-27-2014, 04:56 PM   #26
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Can't we all just get along?..

Sorry, I don't post much but I have to say that I've gotten a lot of good info from this site. So it's a great resource.

But remember there is no such thing as a free lunch... So if the guys that pay for this site want to block something, so be it.
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Old 02-27-2014, 05:25 PM   #28
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I'm trying to help people with vendor-related bans. We have hundreds, if not thousands, of account bans on file, and I am not reviewing every ban on site. If you know of a specific case related to vendor issues, I'll entertain it. Otherwise, I'm referring banned people directly to Tran to plead their cases.
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