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Old 07-28-2009, 07:19 PM   #1
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Question about Auto Shifting

I was just wondering how well the paddle shifters work in shifting... I know there is a delay in the shift.. but lets say you were at a red light about to race some mustang punk ... whats the best way to accelerate? do u just put it in M mode in 1 gear... floor it 100% when the light goes green, and paddle shift to 2nd when u near red line? then paddle shift to 3rd when u near red line again while keeping it floored the entire time?
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Old 07-28-2009, 07:30 PM   #2
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lets say you were at a red light about to race some mustang punk ...
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Old 07-28-2009, 07:44 PM   #3
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Exactly... take it to the track where it belongs!

That being said... I did an experiment at the track... First run Sport Mode. Second run Paddle Shifters... Times were IDENTICAL... Shifts times were basically a wash... manually shifting was slightly faster over all by like .025 second.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34178

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Old 07-28-2009, 07:47 PM   #4
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Let me first say that racing on the street is reckless and irresponsible.

As for the paddles, I would say that the average driver isn't going to be able to consistently outshift the computer...I would leave it in drive...but that's just me.
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Old 07-28-2009, 08:00 PM   #5
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In Ontario (Canada) Street racing falls under new legislation that is an automatic 7 day suspension, your car is impounded and a minimum $2000 fine. Not to mention how much your insurance goes up once your convicted.

If your lucky thats all you get. If your unlucky those charges and fines pale in comparison to Criminal Negligence causing death.

Here is an example

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I can tell you it's not worth it.



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Let me first say that racing on the street is reckless and irresponsible.

As for the paddles, I would say that the average driver isn't going to be able to consistently outshift the computer...I would leave it in drive...but that's just me.
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Old 07-28-2009, 08:18 PM   #6
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Let me first say that racing on the street is reckless and irresponsible.

As for the paddles, I would say that the average driver isn't going to be able to consistently outshift the computer...I would leave it in drive...but that's just me.
Paddles seem to help most with saving gas... like shifting up before you hit 2k rpm

or also is nice to be able to downshift on the highway if its in tolerance. Just a nice "extra"
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Old 07-28-2009, 08:25 PM   #7
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Paddles seem to help most with saving gas... like shifting up before you hit 2k rpm

or also is nice to be able to downshift on the highway if its in tolerance. Just a nice "extra"
I actually find that Sport mode does a great job downshifting! I did a road course 2 weeks ago and left the car in Sport mode... The car was usually in the right gear and if I wasn't it sure got there in a hurry! And it was downshifting very aggressively in the corners! I was very impressed with the Sport calibration!
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Old 07-29-2009, 07:30 AM   #8
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One thing to remember when using the paddle shifters.....dont let it hit the rev limiter!!!! Did it at the drags and it made me loose to a Rustang ! YUK!
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Old 07-29-2009, 07:39 AM   #9
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One thing to remember when using the paddle shifters.....dont let it hit the rev limiter!!!! Did it at the drags and it made me loose to a Rustang ! YUK!
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Which is exactly why i just leave it in Sport mode... Still runs it up to redline and shifts just as quick as using the paddles... Really no advantage to using the paddles in this situation... And as you found out actually slowed you down... I actually messed up once also... (this was at the track). I had my fingers on the paddles. I launch.. car jerks me back and i accidentally pull back on the + paddle which puts me in 2nd gear at like the 3 foot line!!! OOPS!! Now I just stick with Sport mode... LOL
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Old 07-29-2009, 07:53 AM   #10
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Your best bet would be to use M (Sport Mode) without the paddle shifters. Because it will run consistantly fast and you don't have to worry about messing up a shift. When using the paddle shifters you have to watch the tach or speedo (not the road) and make sure you shift at the appropriate time (before you get to redline).

And when using the tapshifts you need to shift before you get to redline. In my SS, if you wait until you get too close to redline, you'll end up bouncing off the rev limiter and it slows you down (which I've done).

I do like to use the paddle shifters when I roll off the line slow and want the transmission to stay in 1st gear (like a 15 mph roll). Then when I mash the gas, I'm already in 1st and don't have to wait for the transmission to drop me down. But I have to be ready and make a quick upshift to 2nd gear.
1st gear redlines at 37mph so you have to be ready to make that first shift by about 34mph or so.

But when I go to the track, I will definately let the computer do the shifting.
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Old 07-29-2009, 08:29 AM   #11
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The Tap-Shift mode will automatically shift for you before you red-line it. Try it, its true.
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Old 07-29-2009, 08:31 AM   #12
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I would use the M mode aka Sports mode. You will get yourself a little extra speed. What you can do is Start in Auto mode then while accelerating switch to M mode (Sports mode) to get that extra kick.

Also, don't race people on the street. It is an accident waiting to happen.
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Old 07-29-2009, 10:18 AM   #13
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I would expect that in sport mode for WOT drag racing runs, the computer will do a better job than a human can be expected to do; manual gear choice would be for when you know something that the computer doesn't, such as the example above of rolling in 15mph where you know you'll want to stay in 1st.
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Old 07-29-2009, 10:25 AM   #14
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I know I don't have a Camaro yet but. It should have a sweet spot you can follow without doing anything but adding throttle. You push it just enough so that traction control does not activate.
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Old 07-29-2009, 10:39 AM   #15
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What I would do with that mustang, beat him to the speed limit



Much safer, and legal, no cops can say anything about it :P
So long as you don't screech the tires.

The problem with these cars, it takes no time to get to 60 kph (37 mph)
So it's not all too fun... Ricers can enjoy it more because it takes them awhile. XD
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Paddle shifters are great for situations the computer might not be prepared for, like your wanting to pass a slow moving car on a two lane road during a break in traffic. Throw it into manual, downshift, and go, without waiting for the computer to figure out what you're up to. That way, normal drive mode can be tuned for more economical cruising, but you can still get into the right gear on demand as well. For driving enthusiastically, sport mode is probably your best friend, since it lets the computer know you want to drive enthusiastically.
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Old 07-29-2009, 12:16 PM   #17
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What I would do with that mustang, beat him to the speed limit



Much safer, and legal, no cops can say anything about it :P
So long as you don't screech the tires.

The problem with these cars, it takes no time to get to 60 kph (37 mph)
So it's not all too fun... Ricers can enjoy it more because it takes them awhile. XD
Actually it's NOT LEGAL in most place... it's called "exhibition of speed" and they write you up for it .. and toss a hefty fine... wouldn't call it safer either... take it to the track where it belongs!
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Paddle shifters are great for situations the computer might not be prepared for, like your wanting to pass a slow moving car on a two lane road during a break in traffic. Throw it into manual, downshift, and go, without waiting for the computer to figure out what you're up to. That way, normal drive mode can be tuned for more economical cruising, but you can still get into the right gear on demand as well. For driving enthusiastically, sport mode is probably your best friend, since it lets the computer know you want to drive enthusiastically.
In Sport mode I find that the car downshifts very early... i mean you just barely start to get on the throttle quickly and it starts downshifting!
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Old 07-29-2009, 12:44 PM   #19
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One thing I learned about the auto when I was in the Colorado Rockies last week - it seems that if you're coasting down a mountain and lightly touch the brakes, it'll downshift for you so you don't have to ride the brakes for miles.
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Exactly......do what I do....just sit and rev your engine and get him all worked up and watch him rip down the road and get a ticket, just hope he doesn't hurt anyone in the process.

Take it to the track and settle it like real men..
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