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Old 03-17-2014, 07:24 PM   #18
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And what does it run in the 1/4?
I have no idea what it will run in the 1/4. I'm that older guy you read about with the car that never seen the track and never will. Sorry
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Old 03-17-2014, 07:29 PM   #19
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I agree what someone else said....do some research and choose what fits you best. Understand this...there are lots of cams that will increase hp/tq. The important thing is where in the rpm range this occures. For these heavy cars, you want your tq kicking in early in the rpms. My .02 would be keep the duration under 228 and lift under .600. Keep it tight with the lsa......112-108. You will get all the useable tq you need all under the curve.
I agree with this! My little cam I hand picked and does very well for what it is because the power it makes under the curve. Even once I go bigger I am keeping the duration around 220-235 ish on a 110 .580-600 max lift. That's just me, I want power to come in quick and I don't see the need for extreme lift! Dyno numbers don't mean to much, I want to see track times to back up claims. 10 peak HP does not mean its faster on the track!
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Old 03-17-2014, 07:31 PM   #20
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So everyone is judging a cam by the DYNO numbers vs track numbers????



That's why there are so many slow 1/4 miles camaro's
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Old 03-17-2014, 08:29 PM   #21
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That's why there are so many slow 1/4 miles camaro's
Yup, seems people go for the most talked about big dyno numbered cams and not the ones getting the quickest times.
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Old 03-17-2014, 09:09 PM   #22
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And what does it run in the 1/4?
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=346360

Note the trap speeds. The reason why this cam isn't judged by track numbers is because not everyone tracks their car. It's getting old seeing that comment in every thread. Also, most nf cars are m6, which require much more skill and seat time to get down the track properly.
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Old 03-17-2014, 09:11 PM   #23
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I agree with this! My little cam I hand picked and does very well for what it is because the power it makes under the curve. Even once I go bigger I am keeping the duration around 220-235 ish on a 110 .580-600 max lift. That's just me, I want power to come in quick and I don't see the need for extreme lift! Dyno numbers don't mean to much, I want to see track times to back up claims. 10 peak HP does not mean its faster on the track!
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Note the trap speeds. The reason why this cam isn't judged by track numbers is because not everyone tracks their car. It's getting old seeing that comment in every thread. Also, most nf cars are m6, which require much more skill and seat time to get down the track properly.

your point is? NF ain't the BEST out there thats for sure there is no "BEST"

Edit: I'm a drag racer so I look at numbers at the track I careless what a dyno sheet says.

Not turning this into a pissing match,
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Our SS3 makes 490's 450's on stock heads.

SS2 is about 10 hp and tq less, with better power up to about 4k.
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To the OP, I always ask a customer what is YOUR goal with the car.
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Getting sick of hearing the truth I guess. Not everyone races, but I would still pick parts based on what I see performing the best at the tracks. Prime example, my buddy picked a cam for his GTO based on it making huge dyno numbers. On the track he is struggling to run 11s... I think will go 11s but like I told him when he picked it, it was not right for his gearing and stall, to much cam no matter what it made on the dyno! Smaller cam and he would be faster with less.
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Getting sick of hearing the truth I guess. Not everyone races, but I would still pick parts based on what I see performing the best at the tracks. Prime example, my buddy picked a cam for his GTO based on it making huge dyno numbers. On the track he is struggling to run 11s... I think will go 11s but like I told him when he picked it, it was not right for his gearing and stall, to much cam no matter what it made on the dyno! Smaller cam and he would be faster with less.
Very well said
I still stand by my 1st post
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There is so much more that goes into it besides what duration it is a .050. Or what the max lift is. You have to look at the lobe profile as a whole. Then the LSA and ICL have to be right for what you are wanting to do.
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Very well said
I still stand by my 1st post
The track don't lie, dynos can. What performs on a dyno, a flowbench, in a magazine may not perform at the track. That's how its always been.

Real world testing tells the tale. Look at the MPH at the 1/4 and the 1/8. How much did it pick up on the back half of the run.

I care about how it performs, I don't care about the dyno sheets. I spec cams to perform.......lol.
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The track don't lie, dynos can. What performs on a dyno, a flowbench, in a magazine may not perform at the track. That's how its always been.

Real world testing tells the tale. Look at the MPH at the 1/4 and the 1/8. How much did it pick up on the back half of the run.

I care about how it performs, I don't care about the dyno sheets. I spec cams to perform.......lol.
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Heres a NF on 91. Only ran at the track once, and it was 13.3@113. Once I know my engine is healthy, Im going to big.
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Best cam is the one you get SPEC'D for your setup/goals I am not a fan of a cam that hundreds run off the self plus From what I've been told the NF isn't always the same specs from what members have shared.


It sure sounds good and all but it isn't the best one out there just my 2 cents.
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Old 03-18-2014, 01:08 AM   #34
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Heres a NF on 91. Only ran at the track once, and it was 13.3@113. Once I know my engine is healthy, Im going to big.
Who tuned that? Those numbers are VERY low, even for 91 oct. Hell, that's only 12 tq above me and i'm only running LT's/CAI/tune.
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