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Old 03-18-2014, 07:27 PM   #1
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CTS-V 6 Piston Brake kit from $1185.00 (updated)

4/4/2013 I updated the title price from the $1050 to $1200 because the ACDelco pads ($45) are not the same material as the OEM Brembo/Ferodo 1000 pads. ($175)


PIF = Pay it forward....I will use this to mark threads for information I have located or found that I could not find easily here and may save other the time and some money.

Time to pay it forward! I finally ordered my set-up today so it was time to share.

From my research into 6 piston set-ups for my car I found by far the lowest prices on Amazon if you are willing to use Silver or Yellow (or powder coat). The qty in stock fluctuates and sometimes the items go on back order, but if you keep checking back they are usually restocked often.

You can get a 6-piston front big brake set-up for about $1050.00 to $1300.00 depending on rotors and lines you pick.

Here you go: Part numbers and prices as of 3/18/2014

Silver CTS-V Front 6 piston Caliper
ACDelco 172-2488
$246.46

Silver CTS-V Front 6 piston Caliper
ACDelco 172-2487
$250.62

Yellow CTS-V Front 6 piston Caliper
ACDelco 172-2521
$240.11

Yellow CTS-V Front 6 piston Caliper
ACDelco 172-2522
$265.79

Front pads (See Notes Below)
I removed the less expensive front AC Delco Pads as the material is not the OEM Brembo/Ferodo 1000 material.
For track use please purchase the OEM pads p/n 171-1040..About $175
See page 3

Front Pin Kit
ACDelco 18K2108X
$20.98

Front 2-Piece Rotor ZL1/CTS-V
ACDelco 177-1145
$222.56

Front 2-Piece Rotor ZL1/CTS-V
ACDelco 177-1146
$246.87

Front Dual Cast Rotor CTS-V
ACDelco 177-1105

$165.57

For the CTS-V upgrade on an SS you will need:
  • Two calipers (silver or yellow),
  • A pair of rotors: 2 Piece are better for cooling and are directional (L and R) 1 piece are cheaper, cooling is not as efficient and they "click". (search CTS-V brakes clicking) All 2012+ CTS-V use 2 piece rotors
  • Pads: Stock are listed....other High Performance options available.
  • Pin Kit
  • Caliper Bolts: ( I got mine from Rodgers Chevrolet: P/N 11570788 $3.19 each (I couldn't find the correct ones on Amazon)
  • Brake lines: (CTS-V/ZL1 front lines are a tad longer) I ordered Goodridge lines from a distributor. P/N 12227 ($185ish/4) is the ZL1 kit or you can get stock front ZL1 lines from the dealer (about $110/pair)
  • Brake Fluid: ( I used Motul 600) about $15.00 online, need 2-3 bottles.

Disclamer: Use list at your own risk...I verified fitment of the ACDelco numbers by searching them on Ebay....Once found I looked at the fitment listed for each part number to confirm.

UDATE: 4/4/2014
I ordered the OEM pads and received them today.......The pictures do not do them justice as far as how different the material is betweern the OEM pads and the AC Delco pads

I have received data in regards to the factory pads temp ranges from testing at GM and will share what I can later....

Finally, I am using the Silver CTS-V rear calipers to match the front and they ARE NOT a direct bolt on. Both the GEN1 and GEN2 calipers require modifications to use. I KNOW "but everyone says they bolt on" They are all wrong as a modification is need to both to use.

I ordered both sets-to view/confirm the differences....I will post a separate thread about the calipers, differences and mods that need to be made to use them.

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Do you really need CTS-V big brakes!

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=360552.



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Old 03-18-2014, 07:55 PM   #2
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Great info Matt !
I havent used my brakes enough yet to justify this upgrade, but have the feeling it's likely to be my first mod.
Are the caliper numbers left and right?
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Old 03-18-2014, 08:02 PM   #3
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Thanks for posting! Those are good prices! I'll be doing this next year and I'll probably get the silvers and send them to Mike the powdercoater for $180 to match the RJT of the car!
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Old 03-18-2014, 08:17 PM   #4
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same part number for the first 2 piece rotor and the cast rotor just a heads up
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Old 03-18-2014, 08:19 PM   #5
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Great info Matt !
I havent used my brakes enough yet to justify this upgrade, but have the feeling it's likely to be my first mod.
Are the caliper numbers left and right?
Even are right hand side...odd are left for all GM parts (at least they are suppose to be).

2 piece rotors are directional and left/right as well because of the cooling veins...1 Piece Dual cast are not directional

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Old 03-18-2014, 08:20 PM   #6
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same part number for the first 2 piece rotor and the cast rotor just a heads up

Good catch....Corrected above!
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Old 03-18-2014, 08:33 PM   #7
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Awesome post. Not ready to pull the trigger yet, but this is subscribed. Thanks
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Old 03-18-2014, 09:11 PM   #8
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Great information - this will let me buy a piece or two at a time
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This brake set up makes a huge difference in stopping power....

Damn, I just got ZL1 rotors that cost a lot more than those....oh well, next time...
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This brake set up makes a huge difference in stopping power....

Damn, I just got ZL1 rotors that cost a lot more than those....oh well, next time...
Have you done any measurements, like 60-0 or 100-0 to compare the 6-piston Vs 4-piston calipers?
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Old 03-18-2014, 11:00 PM   #11
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Have you done any measurements, like 60-0 or 100-0 to compare the 6-piston Vs 4-piston calipers?
Nope, it's my opinion based on my experience...I'm not consumer reports...
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Nope, it's my opinion based on my experience...I'm not consumer reports...
Oh ok. So you have no real knowledge as to how much difference they actually make.

And for the record, I'm not Consumer Reports either, but I did compare 60-0 distances so I would have that knowledge.

Knowledge is a good thing; conjecture, not-so-much...
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Oh ok. So you have no real knowledge as to how much difference they actually make.

And for the record, I'm not Consumer Reports either, but I did compare 60-0 distances so I would have that knowledge.

Knowledge is a good thing; conjecture, not-so-much...
Experience is a better thing, armchair heckler, not so much....
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Great post! Subscribing for future info.

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Do these bolt right up or is there an adapter needed to make them work?
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Do these bolt right up or is there an adapter needed to make them work?
They will bolt right up...you need a little longer brake line than the stock SS
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They will bolt right up...you need a little longer brake line than the stock SS
I already have the SS brake lines I got when intalling my Pedders suspension. Could you tell me length of the 'longer' lines so I can compare? Thx.
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Dropspeed...............man, i was 3 months too early.
that is a great price on the pads, i'll keep this in mind when they wear out
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If anyone is wondering about weight. I saw someone on here took their weights before.



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Great information - this will let me buy a piece or two at a time
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Experience is a better thing, armchair heckler, not so much....
Common Racer VS. Engineer debate......E: "On paper it should do X" R: "But on the track it is doing this" I am a driver first with an engineering backround that works in sales Many years ago I stopped worrying about the how/why and focused on the what if felt like on track.....A real driver can tell when something works and when it doesn't. Lap times are the only confirmation I need.

I am not doing this for 60-0 or 100-0 one hit wonders. I want larger area for heat dissipation, improved cooling and large swept area. I am doing this for repeatability on track for 20+ minutes session. I need the sames results on the 3 lap and the 15th lap.

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I already have the SS brake lines I got when intalling my Pedders suspension. Could you tell me length of the 'longer' lines so I can compare? Thx.
I do not know the delta in length as I don't have my lines yet. I can measure when received and report back.

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Great, thanks for posting....

Yes the 2 piece rotor is heavy than the dual cast....But the way the dual cast is made it allows cool air to escape from the openings if brake ducts are used, the veins are not directional and sections of the veins are blocked by design. 2 piece is better for the track.

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I am not doing this for 60-0 or 100-0 one hit wonders. I want larger area for heat dissipation, improved cooling and large swept area. I am doing this for repeatability on track for 20+ minutes session. I need the sames results on the 3 lap and the 15th lap.
And this is precisely my point.

I learned a long time ago not to trust the butt dyno. Whenever I make a change, I need to see a quantifiable difference. Though I knew there wouldn't be much improvement in stopping distance, I wanted to know for sure, so before installing the 6-piston calipers, I did some tests with the 4's.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: brakes stop the wheels, tires stop the car.

Yes, if you're a track guy, the 6-piston caliper and larger pad offer greater resistance to fade and more consistent braking in racing applications.

More than one change is generally made when going to the 6-piston fronts, including pad compound & braided brake lines.

There is no doubt the brakes will feel different, but that difference doesn't necessarily equate to greater stopping power (shorter braking distance), in fact, just the opposite can happen.
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That is great pricing for sure; it is actually below what a GM dealer pays.. I've noticed this on a few other parts over the last few months as well and I wonder how they do it. We do have the correct Goodridge brake line kit, the 12219 will not work with the CTS-V calipers.

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That is great pricing for sure; it is actually below what a GM dealer pays.. I've noticed this on a few other parts over the last few months as well and I wonder how they do it. We do have the correct Goodridge brake line kit, the 12219 will not work with the CTS-V calipers.

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Hmmmm....what "other" parts do you speak of Jordan?
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That is great pricing for sure; it is actually below what a GM dealer pays.. I've noticed this on a few other parts over the last few months as well and I wonder how they do it. We do have the correct Goodridge brake line kit, the 12219 will not work with the CTS-V calipers.

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Funny you should mention the pricing. I just ordered a GM heated seat kit for my truck from Amazon. I priced it at several of the local dealers and I got similar comments like "wow! that's below my cost!". I thought maybe this was a fluke but several other on-line merchants were not *that* far off from the price I got on Amazon. Seems like there is something going on.


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