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Old 04-04-2014, 02:53 PM   #101
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You might do better to just return them for a refund. The rear ones are the same as the stock ones on any SS/1LE. Just take your stock ones and paint them to match the fronts. It'll save you money and you can do whatever color you want.
I already sold the stock ones so someone could have a matching set.....and I didn't want to paint a brand new caliper.. (yes I am particular).

Correct, the GEN2 V are the same caliper as the SS/1LE and ZL1, however the bleeders and crossover tubes must be swapped top to bottom so it is not a "direct" bolt on. GEN1 V caliper orientation is correct left to right....but they must be notch to clear the rear e-brake shield to work.

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Old 04-04-2014, 04:40 PM   #102
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Are you talking about the AC delco OEM pad or the AC Delco Durastop pads? Earlier you said you bought the durastop pads for $50 no the OEM pad for $175, I just want to clarify which pads you are talking about.
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Old 04-04-2014, 05:10 PM   #103
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Just got mine back from the painter and they are HUGE. Now they'll match my blue rears. Just waiting on rotors now.
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Old 04-04-2014, 05:54 PM   #104
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Just got mine back from the painter and they are HUGE. Now they match my blue rears. Just waiting on rotors now.
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Old 04-04-2014, 06:06 PM   #105
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Are you talking about the AC delco OEM pad or the AC Delco Durastop pads? Earlier you said you bought the durastop pads for $50 no the OEM pad for $175, I just want to clarify which pads you are talking about.
Yes and yes. I did purchase the dura stop for $45. But after talking to a brake engineer at GM I ordered the OEM pads for $175. I will not be trying the dura stop on the track.....actually already swapped them this afternoon.
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Old 04-04-2014, 07:10 PM   #106
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I ordered the OEM pads and received them today.......The pictures do not do them justice as far as how different the material is betweern the OEM pads and the AC Delco pads

I have received data in regards to the factory pads temp ranges from testing at GM and will share what I can later....

Finally, I am using the Silver CTS-V rear calipers to match the front and they ARE NOT a direct bolt on. Both the GEN1 and GEN2 calipers require modifications to use. I KNOW "but everyone says they bolt on" They are all wrong as a modification is need to both to use.

I ordered both sets-to view/confirm the differences....I will post a separate thread about the calipers, differences and mods that need to be made to use them.

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Thanks for validating the pad info. I was basically going by my gut on the appearance of the two different pads and drew the same conclusion and you are correct the photos I took don't show how different the pads really are.
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Old 04-04-2014, 08:51 PM   #107
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Just got mine back from the painter and they are HUGE. Now they'll match my blue rears. Just waiting on rotors now.
Beautiful, did they have to take the calipers apart to do that?
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Old 04-04-2014, 09:15 PM   #108
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Just got mine back from the painter and they are HUGE. Now they'll match my blue rears. Just waiting on rotors now.
Very sweet!
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Old 04-05-2014, 04:23 PM   #109
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Beautiful, did they have to take the calipers apart to do that? Did they fill in the V recess?
The calipers are a one piece design unlike the rears which are 2 piece with O-ring seals between the 2 half's. You can see some blue overspray on the pistons in the picture so it looks like they were just masked off and painted. I wonder how that paint will hold up to the heat as it looks like auto paint rather than rattle can like VHT high temp paint. I've used car paint on engine blocks with mixed results, sometimes having the paint lift off in the higher heat areas. I am going to paint my calipers using VHT caliper paint. I plan on stripping the silver paint off by blasting with glass beads. I used duct tape to mask off the pistons and bleed screws which I hope will stand up to the blasting.
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Dropspeed, thanks for the excellent info. I ordered the silver calipers, 12227 ss lines, 171-1040 Brembo pads and pin kit. Now just waiting to see if the ZL1 rotors drop from $339.00 to a lower price but if not I'll order them next week.
Do you know if the calipers pistons need to be removed before powdercoating of simply taped up really well? Most likely R&R before or after done but just wondering.
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The calipers are a one piece design unlike the rears which are 2 piece with O-ring seals between the 2 half's. You can see some blue overspray on the pistons in the picture so it looks like they were just masked off and painted. I wonder how that paint will hold up to the heat as it looks like auto paint rather than rattle can like VHT high temp paint. I've used car paint on engine blocks with mixed results, sometimes having the paint lift off in the higher heat areas. I am going to paint my calipers using VHT caliper paint. I plan on stripping the silver paint off by blasting with glass beads. I used duct tape to mask off the pistons and bleed screws which I hope will stand up to the blasting.
Yea, I looked at the one caliper I have and see they are one piece like you said, doh! And there is no V recess. Just an optical illusion of the V decal at least to my eyes at a quick glance. Sounds like you've been down this road. I will just leave mine silver with the V decal for now and enjoy the fade free braking.
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I started bead blasting the calipers in prep for painting. Based on bead blasting the factory finish is powder coated not painted. Powder tends to move around under blasting (more flexible than paint) so most of the surface I just knocked off the shine rather than completely stripping down to bare metal. Blast material more aggressive than glass bead would do a better job getting the old powder coat off.
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Old 04-06-2014, 01:02 PM   #113
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Powhusku, those calipers looks fu*&ing awesome! I have the yellow Vs from amazon and they look sweet on my cyber grey. Will post photos shortly.
You should post once on your car! Are they the same blue as the ZR1 caliper?
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Old 04-06-2014, 01:21 PM   #114
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Is there any difference in clearance from the caliper to the wheel vs stock brembo's?
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I didn't measure but I'd guess it's about the same...

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I just measured them from the disc surface of the rotor it's 56mm for a CTS-V caliper.

I know proper measurement would be from the face of the hub but I don't feel like pulling a wheel today. Sorry, that should give you something to reference though.

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Beautiful, did they have to take the calipers apart to do that?
No, they just taped off the parts.

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The calipers are a one piece design unlike the rears which are 2 piece with O-ring seals between the 2 half's. You can see some blue overspray on the pistons in the picture so it looks like they were just masked off and painted. I wonder how that paint will hold up to the heat as it looks like auto paint rather than rattle can like VHT high temp paint. I've used car paint on engine blocks with mixed results, sometimes having the paint lift off in the higher heat areas. I am going to paint my calipers using VHT caliper paint. I plan on stripping the silver paint off by blasting with glass beads. I used duct tape to mask off the pistons and bleed screws which I hope will stand up to the blasting.

I've had good luck with them so far. Haven't installed these ones, but my SS calipers (pic below) were painted using the same paint by the same shop. He uses this paint on engine blocks and brakes all the time and says he never has issues, so I'm confident they will be fine. It's very high quality as well (Glasurit), not regular car paint.



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Powhusku, those calipers looks fu*&ing awesome! I have the yellow Vs from amazon and they look sweet on my cyber grey. Will post photos shortly.
You should post once on your car! Are they the same blue as the ZR1 caliper?
Thanks, I will when they go on in the coming weeks. Originally I started with wanting the Jet Stream Blue (ZR1), but my painter showed me a motorcycle tank he had done in this color and I decided thats what I wanted. We put a very light tint over it to give the proper candy look before clear coating. The Chevrolet And Brembo logos are decals, not paint just in case anyone was wondering.
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I started bead blasting the calipers in prep for painting. Based on bead blasting the factory finish is powder coated not painted. Powder tends to move around under blasting (more flexible than paint) so most of the surface I just knocked off the shine rather than completely stripping down to bare metal. Blast material more aggressive than glass bead would do a better job getting the old powder coat off.
All Brembo GM calipers are painted. The yellow actually have 3 coats. The reason they turn gold or brown with heat is the clear coat used in Europe changes color with heat. Apparently EU has more stringent environmentally laws that govern the paint and clear used. That may be why it appears to react different to the bead blasting, but it is paint.

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Thanks for validating the pad info. I was basically going by my gut on the appearance of the two different pads and drew the same conclusion and you are correct the photos I took don't show how different the pads really are.
I had the same reaction when I opened the Brembo box and had my hand covered with brake dust.

In talking to a source at GM I was told that the stock pads for the 6 Pistons are good to about 1292 F without fade and they will still work beyond that with fade.

I shelved the $45 pads as a spare/emergency set only at this point.

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Thanks for the Pif OP... for the caliper bolts, how many do we need? Looking at the caliper, is it just two for each caliper?

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Thanks for the Pif OP... for the caliper bolts, how many do we need? Looking at the caliper, is it just two for each caliper?

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2 for each side.

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Thanks Tyler, ordering the zl1 SS lines from you guys

hope its not a problem with ss rear calipers, wouldn't think so.
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I just measured them from the disc surface of the rotor it's 56mm for a CTS-V caliper.

I know proper measurement would be from the face of the hub but I don't feel like pulling a wheel today. Sorry, that should give you something to reference though.

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Thanks for the info. If you can please get the proper measurements. Just hate to buy these then can't do the install until I get new wheels.
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Thanks Tyler, ordering the zl1 SS lines from you guys

hope its not a problem with ss rear calipers, wouldn't think so.
Depending on the brand the lines should come with new banjo bolts and crush washers. (The Goodridge do)

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