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Old 03-31-2014, 07:34 PM   #35
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Nice write up T-Bone. I've got to drive with T-Bone at 2 events. Very knowledeable guy and very helpful on and off the track. Subscribed !
T-Bone and TLSTWIN have been really helpfull at a couple events for me too! Zeus, I think you're the one who loaned me your Go-Pro at Gingerman! These track days are full of a bunch of guys who are truly enthusiastic and love to help other guys, especially novice drivers like me! Thanks guys and great thread T!
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Old 03-31-2014, 11:34 PM   #36
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Great write up!
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Old 04-05-2014, 01:58 PM   #37
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Here's a list of items I take to the track. I bought some plastic totes with clamp on lids to keep things organized.

1. air pressure gage
2. Torque wrench (good idea to check torque after getting things heated up)
3. Lightweight floor jack (harbor freight aluminum works good)
4. Glass cleaner
5. Blue painters tape (good for adding numbers)
6. Folding lawn chair
7. Small cooler with lots of bottled water and snacks/lunch.
8. Portable air tank if your track does not have air.
Adding my thoughts too.
9. small wrench for the brake bleeder valve. These will leak if you heat them up. It's nice to have one to tighten them back down.
10. Depending on track rules. i bring a allen wrench to take off the huge rear view mirror.
11. Paper towels or shop rags.
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Why do you take off the mirror? I wish i had a mirror along the whole top of windshield on track.
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Old 04-05-2014, 09:50 PM   #39
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Why do you take off the mirror? I wish i had a mirror along the whole top of windshield on track.
For HPDE days you can only pass on the straights. The track I go to always has a instructor in each car.

I take the mirror off because it block so much of the front view looking into the corners. I'm sure if it was the smaller no frame mirror it would be different.
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Old 04-07-2014, 05:54 PM   #40
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I HAD to post this video up. It is Mike Musto from /Drive and he is modifying a Mustang but it is still relevant as that car is a Muscle Car too.

Please take notes at the 2:35ish mark when David Ray from Hooked on Driving mentions modifying your car. Notice the FIRST thing he mentions. Yea BEBE!!!

BRAKES! BRAKES! BRAKES!



When the car is in the shop the rear end is moot but the front is similar to our cars. Also notice the brakes, slotted not drilled.

I absolutely LOVE Mike's enthusiasm when he get's the car back on track after the car is modified. You can tell how much of a difference it makes. Also notice all they did was suspension and NO HORSEPOWER and they are faster.

"Horsepower is something that looks great in a Magazine article, but suspension is what actually gets you around the track fast." Jack Olsen

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Road racing is like China White Heroin, the buzz is stronger, the high lasts for hours, it's extremely addictive and they are all different.
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Old 04-07-2014, 09:13 PM   #41
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good thread guys. i torque to 110 for everything. i re-torque in the mornings before the first session every track day. ive seen guys stretch their studs trying to always torque all the time. if you torqued them when you put the track wheels on and you torque them before the first session each day, you should be good. try to not wrench on em right after you come off track.
i never take off my mirror.
my year this year is all about seat time. ive got all my safety stuff and good brakes, now im just going to focus on learning how to really drive. i did away with all the nannies. i have no traction control, stability control or ABS. it is surprising how much these modern cars drive themselves. i used to run in stabilitrak mode and thought the car was only catching me once in a while. wrong. the difference is huge.
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Old 04-08-2014, 08:31 AM   #42
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I HAD to post this video up. It is Mike Musto from /Drive and he is modifying a Mustang but it is still relevant as that car is a Muscle Car too.

Please take notes at the 2:35ish mark when David Ray from Hooked on Driving mentions modifying your car. Notice the FIRST thing he mentions. Yea BEBE!!!

BRAKES! BRAKES! BRAKES!

T.
For anything past a tentative introductory session I don't think that can be overstated. If you've never experienced brake fade (due to either pads overheating/gassing or fluid boiling) you can't imagine how much more comfortable it is to know that your brakes are going to be there for you every single time you step on that pedal.

But . . . when you're initially bedding in track pads - which you probably won't be able to fully accomplish on the street - you may well find yourself in a "green fade" situation in their first or maybe second track session, where you'll find yourself with good pedal height and hard pedal feel but needing to use a whole lot more pedal force to get yourself slowed for the upcoming turn. Take an easy lap (pointing everybody by), pit in, and let them cool, maybe drive around slowly a little after exiting the track if this is possible. DO NOT SET THE P-BRAKE WHEN YOU STOP IN YOUR PIT, and consider moving the car a couple of feet after a minute or two to allow the portions of the rotors under the pads to catch up with the cooling off process.


If you ever get the chance to drive the new C7 Stingray on track - they're partnered with the Hooked On Driving folks at least for this year - take it, and do what it takes to fit it into your class, grid and track session schedule. I don't know if they're running that car with OE pads or with track pads, but either way it'll be an eye-opening experience for what brakes can be like. "Amazing" is a huge understatement stepping from a Mustang (even with track pads and DOT4 fluid) into that car for just a single hot lap.


To that video, it's a shame they didn't spend more time under the front suspension, where there is greater similarity between the Mustang and the Camaro. Cortex is one of the up-and-coming names in the Mustang suspension aftermarket, and we're slowly getting a better handle on why it seems to work as well as comments like in the video indicate. Time (and maybe the S550) will tell if Filip ever gets involved with Camaros.


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Old 04-08-2014, 09:50 AM   #43
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T-Bone and TLSTWIN have been really helpfull at a couple events for me too! Zeus, I think you're the one who loaned me your Go-Pro at Gingerman! These track days are full of a bunch of guys who are truly enthusiastic and love to help other guys, especially novice drivers like me! Thanks guys and great thread T!
Yep, that was me SSMIKE, I agree these 2 guys are great at helping us Nobs out (at least this NOB). We do appreciate all the advise and tips ! Hopefully we will all meet up at Gingerman again this year.
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Old 04-11-2014, 12:40 AM   #44
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Old 04-14-2014, 05:52 PM   #45
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Does anyone have knowledge of HANS (or other brands) type safety devices? After several months and doctors visits I am learning about my neck problems. I want to continue to do AutoX and HPDE events, but I also want to protect my neck the best I can to minimize further damage. I have been using here and google to learn what I can, but I also want to turn to people with knowledge who can point me in the right direction.
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Old 04-14-2014, 07:18 PM   #46
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See if you can find anything at Circle Track's website - I know I've seen articles in the print magazines.


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Old 04-15-2014, 11:17 AM   #47
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These videos by Jeff Bucknam are helpful also for HPDE.

Jeff's Tips on Proper Seat Adjustments for the Track
http://youtu.be/QhwZIob1Qkg
The item Jeff mentions in this video (but can't come up with the name) is Angel Pads by Angelwings Tech. They will hold your hips in place so you can use the steering wheel to point the car, not as a device to help you keep your butt in your seat.
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Old 05-14-2014, 01:28 PM   #48
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Bump.

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The drag strip is like sniffing glue, it's cheap, it's a decent buzz, it doesn't last long and they are all the same.
Road racing is like China White Heroin, the buzz is stronger, the high lasts for hours, it's extremely addictive and they are all different.
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Old 05-14-2014, 02:40 PM   #49
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Overall HPDE is a total blast. Some of my takeaways below (stock SS). It was my second time on the track and first at Texas World Speedway. I started in the Green group and moved to Blue for the last session. Comments:

Brakes. I upgraded to stainless steel brake lines and DOT4 prior. No issues with fluid. HOWEVER, the stock pads developed a glaze I think in the third session. I thought I would hit the guy parked in front of me as I pulled up to stage for the next one. So we took the warmup lap conservatively with some brake testing and the glaze burned off, brakes fine. The stock pads wore quickly; I could probably have worn them to the wear indicators if I pushed harder. Not the right choice for more than 1 HPDE.

Wheels. I torqued my stock SS wheels to 150 Nm the night before. I checked them at the end of the first day and they were all loose. I had a little vibration braking from 120mph at the straight.

Tires. The stock Pirellis are just fine unless you have to be the fastest. 1LEs will own you however. It turns out the 1LE Goodyears and the SS Pirelli's have the same wear rating (250), so it may be just width and aspect ratio, though I gotta think the compound is softer when warm. After 2 track days the Pirelli's wore some for sure, but they are still fine for daily driving with 21K miles on them.

Stock SS suspension. You can have plenty of fun with the FE4 suspension. I was getting held back by Lotus' and Boss Mustangs, though barely. With the nannies on, you can just keep your foot down through the curves in the beginning as you learn the line. However the body roll is annoying and limiting as you go faster. I put a 1LE bar after the track days on the rear and this is probably all it needed to counter most of it, although I am predicting the car will break free with less notice. I have the front bar on order. I am thinking cradle bushings and rear toe links would help as well.

Stock SS gearing. The 3.45 held me back relative to the SRT8 Challengers and Boss Mustangs if a significant straight occurred between corners. This track was 3rd gear with one shift to 4th on the straight. I would be at 6000rpm at ~100mph in 3rd on the back straight before hitting the brakes. I could only just touch 120mph on the front straight in forth at 4500 rpm (roughly). The 3.91 I am predicting would get me to 125-130. Otherwise CAI and/or headers would likely provide a similar boost given the rpms.

1LE oil separator. A must I think. No oil consumption over the 2 days.

"Its not a race." So true. There were a couple of show offs that ended up going off the track or otherwise pushing the car more than they or it could handle. I would line up with a lot of cars between us to avoid being near them. Other guys were clearly in control but still very fast. Remember insurance will likely only cover you once, if at all. Focus on learning the line.

Oil temps. I was at the third tick mark after each session, though pressure seemed same as when at 210. Used Pennzoil Ultra Euro 5w-30. Air temps were around 80-90 deg.

I am now going to get another set of wheels/tires. Track brakes pads for sure. This along with the front/rear 1LE stabilizer bars should fix the things that annoyed me on the track. If I get picky it will be cradle bushing, rear toe links, and gears. Then better seat belts, headers, CAI, R compound tires, better brake discs, .....

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Old 05-16-2014, 06:31 PM   #50
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This is a great thread. Well done T.
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Subscribed. Thanks T-bone. Why is this not a sticky yet?
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